How do you beat up a guy in full plate armor anyway?
Are the only option to club him to exhaustion or make him fall and put a knife in his visor?
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How do you beat up a guy in full plate armor anyway?
Run him over with a 2008 Toyota Corolla
Yeah, pretty much. Remember, cops wear riot armor today that's basically the same philosophy as plate armor, just made of kevlar instead of steel. There are also cannons and bullets that the armor isn't rated for, and a lucky shot can down you no matter how great your armor is.
And yes, wagons and mechanical wagons will frick your shit up.
You bash him with a hammer until he stops moving. Full plate armour (picrel looks like 15th century italian) was developed fairly late in the medieval period though, and it wasnt long before gunpowder started BTFOing knights.
The vast majority of knights throughout history wore some sort of chainmail, which was vulnerable to all sorts of pointy weapons
So fights between two men-at-arms in full plate armor was just them autistically beating the frick out of each other with hammers?
I dont mean hammers as in the small tools that we use today, but rather metal maces, polearms, etc.
Heavy, blunt object on a stick.
I know
Not so much. You wouldn't see a ton of knight vs. knight combat, it would have been mostly very limited skirmishes, from horseback, where knocking your opponent down is as important and effevtively as lethal as a killing blow. Hammers would have been more effective against armored targets on the ground and would be a major disadvantage against an anti-calvary charge with lances. You want the advantage over your opponent, not to get into an armor piercing hammer match if you can avoid it.
>You wouldn't see a ton of knight vs. knight combat
are you fricking serious
It's German, Italians almost always have huge pauldrons on the left side because they're obsessed with fighting with lance from horseback. Also that fluting is quintessentially German, although the fashion certainly made it to Italy.
A big enough club is gonna ring him to death, not exhaustion. And by big I mean a pollaxe.
A helmet will keep your head from splitting in half, but your brain and neck can only take so much trauma even through the padding.
Also your chances of breaking long bones with a pollaxe or other big weapons are not at all low, and fighting with a broken arm is gonna get you on the ground to be clobbered or stabbed with impunity in half a second flat.
Shoot him with a gun or what you said
G O N N E
Hit that motherfricker with the gat.
How about that prick's face when he saw the gat?
you just avoid 1v1 combat and outplay them with tactics and numbers
knights were awesome at single combat but had shit tactics and there weren't many of them
Both of these, a well drilled squad of men with muskets will take out a knight on horseback no problem. Plus it takes a lot less time and money to equip and train a musketeer than it does for a knight; horses, armor and quality melee weapons are really expensive, and it takes years of daily training to use them effectively. Losing a guy like that in battle, especially when he's usually also some kind of noble with other responsibilities as well, is way more costly to the realm than losing some peasant with a mass produced gun who can be replaced by another peasant with a mass produced gun in a couple weeks tops.
Meme. Gun troops came in at a time when armies were getting more professional. It was considered imperative that they were well trained and governments were blowing budgets on them. They were anything but cheap.
Yes, but even a well trained musketeer takes far less time and money to train than a knight on horseback. Governments were blowing budgets because they were issuing more standardized equipment and hiring far more troops, as opposed to relying on a small body of nobles with the funds to equip themselves.
They were blowing budgets on them because they were decisive in battles. And the government or lord spending money on hiring or provisioning arquebusiers was far more expensive FOR THEM than relying on vassals who could pay their own way. This is RTS vidyabrain. They didn't need to pay a penny for knights or bowmen or other traditional troops. Modern mercenaries and professionals like arquebusiers and pikemen cost money, and lots of it.
Context matters. In a duel, 1v1? Are you also in plate armor? If so it's about trying to put him on the ground so he's at your mercy. The alternative is to just beat on each other til one of you falls over from exhaustion, which is a supremely stupid way to fight.
If you're not in plate armor in a 1v1 duel, then you're probably going to lose. Any situation you can think up to beat him is so unlikely to happen it doesn't matter.
On the battlefield, guys in that kind of armor are 99% of the time on a horse when you encounter them, which simultaneously gives you options and also makes it much harder to fight them. The benefit of being on a horse is it makes you very fast and lets you strike from above. The downside is, falling off a horse hurts a lot more than simply being knocked off your feet, and can be fatal all on its own. Even if it's not fatal, it can severely wind you and leave you vulnerable.
So the optimum strategy for fighting fully armored people on horseback is to knock them off their horse, one way or another, preferably with a few of your friends backing you up. Once he falls to the ground, you make sure he stays there. Pin him down, get his helmet off him, rest is pretty obvious I think.
If he's not on a horse, it's much the same: gang up on him, get him on the ground, pin him down.
In dueling context, Jacque de Lalaing bashed them over the head dozen times (they are gonna do the same thing) then when they are on the ground, literally choking from a blocked visor, he subdued them
Fiore and Ringeck suggested that you bash their hands and wrists, stab them in the foot or open up their visor somehow. Some sabatons and gauntlets are so thin you can bend them with your hands with a good tug.
In a battle it's a bit more simple. Both the man in white harness and the infantryman will keep their distance because formations are more important then personal valour so it's 30 minutes of both men with bills and lances carefully poking each other at the face. John Smythe advised the billmen to strike at the head and thrust at the face.
>Plenty of ditches, plus say good day to my lil friend, knight!!!
>Roosebeke
>27 500 killed
what the frick
Wannabe italians need to learn their place
War hammers.
The real ones aren't cartoonishly large like in video games.
Usually it's more like an 8 foot spear with a carpenter hammer sized head on it (at a pointy bit at the other side).
You swing one of those, point side out, at a helmet, you're gonna wind up piercing their brain.
>How do you beat up a guy in full plate armor anyway?
With a heavy club to the head. Using the pommel of the sword was a common tactic
Punch, pummel, and push him with a weapon and a shield until he falls down. Then pin him to the ground and poke a dagger at his armpit, face, groin, elbow, back legs, or hips. Someone who can afford all this armor is better to catch for ransom