I have been into stoicism for a while and have been using it to cope with life but learning this info has made me second guess the entire philosophy. Now whenever I try to be stoic I think about Marcus sitting in the corner writing meditations while his wife gets brutalized by a gigachad gladiator. Now whenever I think about stoicism it seems like a cuck philosophy. Was Marcus really the Destiny of his time? How can I get over this?
sounds like bs and slander tbh
Sounds like op is getting his homosexual tendencies get the best of him again.
Marcus Aurelius is not a major stoic figure, he was a guy who had a general interest in philosophy, he never even refers to himself as a Stoic, and he didn't bring any new ideas to the table.
He is only seen as a major figure today because his workbook(what he wrote for himself) is one of the few surviving works, his work isn't taken that seriously in academic circles because it is pretty much just repeating what past philosophers thought. Also the guy was a Roman Emperor, not a normal person, and he wanted to give an image of forgiveness(he didn't kill any senators in his time either) so killing his wife would've been a big no-no and would be contrary to what he stated he would do, and you don't really know the political decisions behind his actions.
I'm not sure why you are second guessing an entire philosophy based on rumour from the historia augusta which is not seen as a reliable or accurate source. There would be nothing not ''Stoic'' about you dumping your partner if she cheated on you, it would probably actually be the most rational decision you could take as such a person has shown themselves not to be trustworthy, and would better help you move on.
I think we should also stop with the idea that Marcus Aurelius was some kind of sage, he wasn't, no such person has ever existed. Marcus' supposed decision to spare his wife was his own decision, not anything to do with Stoic philosophy, many of the major philosophers such as Epictetus decided not even to have partners.
Thank you.
This, Aurelius is a neo-stoic at best.
Furthermore, the progenitor of stoicism favoured free-love, for which he was lambasted
This thread again? Short answer because it's an anti-idolatristic thread steering away from the board topic.
>Hone craft
>Until one reaches the Other One
>It's going to take a while
This is a reddit post. No seriously, search it. It is a reddit shitpost.
Didn't come up with anything.
Did you put spaces between each of the words?
i just copied and pasted the main text, will copy the title tomorrow tired now, goodnight.
He’a right, although I don’t think it was posted ironically at first, it’s a r/stoicism post.
>I'm into stoicism
>But can't cope with the fact some other dude got cheated on by his wife
This person is the shittiest stoic in the world, holy frick.
Most people on r/stoicism and the other ones generally don't know what Stoicism actually is, as literally the majority of them have only skimmed through the meditations, which isn't even meant to teach anyone, it's just a guy writing reminders to himself.
Anyone who actually wants to learn it starts with the discourses of epictetus, people only start with meditations these days because it has been hyped up by marketeers like ryan holiday.
I want Destiny to frick me. Behind his annoying stage presence and virtue signaling, there is just something about him that screams good wiener. Notice how despite his pudgy face and unremarkable body, he has those piercing blue pretador eyes.
I came across Destiny on Grindr, and he wanted to suck my wiener (he mentioned on his profile that he only does oral). I didn't end up doing it though because I was afraid of STDs
I have a cuckolding fetish so this just make me like Marcus Aurelius even more
It's always there for you whenever you want to take the first step in leaving your stoic phase. Take your time anon, you can read it anyhow just to see if it is worth moving past stoicism at all, if you want to stay one then there is no shame to be had, there are better stoic thinkers.
Didn't he kill the gladiator and make his wife watch?
It's simple: Some people will always be animals whereas others will strive to better than what they currently are.
Don't let his wife sour your view on his philosophy, the poet knows better than the animal.
I do not beleive such evil lies told about such a great man it is slander. His mind was massive andncould not be deceived
>using it to cope with life
I don't think you're using it right.
This stupid thread is resurrected or reposted weekly.
He also had sex with little boy slaves, so you gotta take the good with the bad.
Destiny?
OP doesn’t write that because he doesn’t want to admit he’s a pederast
>He also had sex with little boy slaves
.....based on what evidence?
their penises, presumably. why would he need any other evidence?
I don't know, if you are going to accuse someone, past or present of such a thing, then I think some kind of evidence of is necessary. Tell me, do you believe every single thing you hear and read?.
Right my translation which is the Gregory Hayes says:
>He'll look calmly at the distinct beauty of old age in men, women, and at the loveliness of children
That doesn't imply he actually had sex with them to me, and even the paragraph in your book implies self control rather than giving in to desire. I think we should also remember that pederasty was viewed differently in those times, and certain people who the stoics looked up to like Diogenes discouraged it.
I'm not sure we should claim Marcus was some ideal Stoic either, as from what i remember he never actually calls himself one
If you translate the original greek version through google it is almost completely different and makes no reference to boys:
>[ 3.2.3 ] so that , if he has passion and a deeper understanding of what is happening in the whole , there is almost nothing but glory to him and to the subsequent events , as he is composed . And this one , and the true chasms of beasts, is not seen in vain , or what the writings and forged imitations show , and the writing and the old stone of age and time , and what was given in play to his own happy eyes , he is able to see : and many such things are not all possible , but but to him by nature , these same works are approached in a genuine way .
https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A2008.01.0641%3Abook%3D3%3Achapter%3D2%3Asection%3D3
So who actually knows what is true.
He's probably one of very few roman emperors who didn't mess with boys. At the start of Meditations he praises his adopted father Antoninus Pius for abstaining from them
so you are a loser cuck and everything you stand for is in vain if your future wife gets offered 1 million$(usd) to suck a wiener and she being a greedy prostitute takes it? how do you even control whims of other persons all the time without just strangling her or kicking her out of your life.
didnt the marcus guy have several wives or something?
Living a flawless life isn't the metric for a perfect philosiphy, but how one deals with their misfortunes that show up during ones life. If your philosipher kills himself or was clearly miserable or unsuccesful by his own metrics than his philosiohy is shit tier, alike Nietsche.
Folks seem to be getting their Faustinas mixed up.
>stoicism seems like a cuck philosophy
Considering it's the philosophy for tiktok zoomies and moronic "alpha" youtubers, you're right
Cant control it so I dont care simple as
This isn't actually the point, the point isn't about not caring, it's about thinking rationally and placing value in what is up to us(our voliition), in every situation you always have some amount of power.
If it is raining, then i don't care for example still shows some emotional response to externals, if it is raining, then i will go inside is a rational response free from any form of negative judgement.
This is why studying Stoic propositional logic is also kind of important alongside the ethics and physics, as it lets you think in a more logical manner.
He has such pretty eyes. FRICK.
>I spend my days in mental anguish to simulate the cuckold experience I am desperate to have
Nice.