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How do you justify your time spent learning vim or emacs?
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bruh the vimtutor takes like 5 minutes and you never have touch the mouse again
emacs, on the other hand...
PFFFT HAHHAHA ENJOY YOUR CARPAL TUNNEL homosexualS
OR DO YOU FOLD YOUR PINKY TO PRESS CTRL WHY DON'T YOU USE YOUR NOSE LMAO
FPBP
Emacs users rebind Ctrl to Caps Lock, usually.
The frick? Do they also rebind enter to control so they can control-press keys on the left side of the keyboard?
Besides, caps lock should already be remapped to escape. That is escape's rightful place on the keyboard since ed
You can do whatever the frick you want. You can make your own modal editing modes, you can use a 1:1 implementation of Vi(m) keybindings, use key chords with something other than modifiers, etc. Emacs has no rules, the program adapts to the user instead of the opposite.
It was a rhetorical question, midwit. Putting left-control on caps lock is as moronic as putting right-control on enter.
I have heavily configured emacs dotfiles, which I no longer use in favor of Neovim.
nta, and same, except i have a fancy neovim config which i no longer use in favor of emacs with evil mode
So you downgraded from Telescope to dired? Nice bro
>muh telescope
so you downgraded from extensible elisp, magit, org mode, tramp, dired, functioning lsp-mode that doesn't break every other week, etc etc etc
to crappy lua immitations... for telescope?
nice bro, don't forget vim is just an emacs plugin
You just vomited out several emacs plugins and think you made a point? You are dumb as shit, but I'll humor you.
>extensible elisp
Lisp (sucks wiener()(*~~(()) and nobody fricking likes it. Not even you. This is why no one is writing new shit for emacs. I'm sure glad you like those plugins, because you're going to use those specific ones, with no alternatives, forever.
>magit
Telescope has better git tools too. You've obviously lied about using neovim. Not that this matters anyway, because using git directly in your terminal is much faster and gives you a better understanding of git.
>functioning lsp-mode
Neovim's LSP works on my machine and has much better keybind extensibility than the emacs analogue. In neovim, I can have alt-j do one thing and then do another once the LSP suggestion window is open. You can't do this in emacs because the mode for the suggestion window is already applied to the buffer before it's actually opened, so you get conflicting keybinds.
The reason why you're getting BTFO here is because I have used both extensively, and you have not.
> In neovim, I can have alt-j do one thing and then do another once the LSP suggestion window is open.
Does anyone know what this guy is going on about? Has he ever used emacs before?
>You just vomited out several emacs plugins and think you made a point? You are dumb as shit, but I'll humor you.
yeah the very programs neovim is trying to emulate, that's why you have a bunch of people writing shit for neovim, because they need to catch up.
>lisp sucks
lisp is great, homosexual, idk why neovim decided to go with crappy lua out of all languages. it'll never be as extensible, at least not as effortlessly as lisp.
>telescope has better git tools too, muh terminal
if you think the terminal is much faster then maybe your great telescope tools aren't as good as you claim. magit just werks. i used to use the terminal for git but magit is just comfier and integrates with what i'm already doing right in my editor, something you vimgays can't understand for some reason
>Neovim's LSP works on my machine
when i was using neovim it would get updated and my config would break. screw that.
>In neovim, I can have alt-j do one thing and then do another once LSP suggestion window is open.
you can probably do that in emacs, but i can't think of a reason why i would want to. what if i want to use the actual alt-j while there is a suggestion window? press another key to get out of it? then what's the point?
>The reason why you're getting BTFO here is because I have used both extensively, and you have not.
>haha if i say he's getting btfo i win right?
unfortunately, it really is the comfiest way. trying to integrate a bunch of programs only related by the fact that they run in a terminal isn't as nice.
>you can probably do that in emacs, but i can't think of a reason why i would want to
holy
cope
lmao
>cherrypicking this hard
>le cope lmao
so this is the power of vimtards
But you’re actually moronic because general mode lets you do exactly that
General mode won't resolve the keybind conflict I described. What point are you even trying to make? Or are you just spewing random emacs terms again in place of an argument?
You deflected the fact that Magit exists with "y-you don't it anyway just use the cli" (because Telescope is mediocre and everyone who has actually used it will attest), and are accusing others of coping because of a problem which, as
pointed out, is entirely solvable anyway. You didn't even address the part where he brought up neovim's "lmao get fricked" attitude toward stability, which is a major reason people still use the OG Vim.
Emacs is for extensibility, neovim is for tinker trannies.
Stop samegayging moron. You're the only emacs user in the world who doesn't understand what general.el does
that's a different anon homosexual
Sure thing moron. Go tinker with your config files more so you can learn about general mode
>Go tinker with your config files more
If I wanted to do that I would be using neovim, since it breaks on every major update, lmao.
>lmao.
absolutely seething
kek, did you think the completions were part of lsp-mode? company is separate.
>the only reason why emacs is dead and people are writing stuff for neovim is because neovim "needs to catch up"
>lua will never be as extensible as lisp, well ok maybe it is, but "not as effortlessly as lisp"
>you can probably do that in emacs, but i can't think of a reason why i would want to
>you can PROBABLY do that in emacs
This is just embarassing
emacs isn't dead
lua still sucks ass
"probably" because i've never tried it and i'm not gonna google it for you homosexual
seethe harder
Yes it is
Lua is just "OK"
You don't know anything about emacs
cope forever
no it's not
lua still sucks ass
have you ever used emacs?
keep seething
literally from the general.el github
>Allows binding keys in multiple keymaps/states at once (unlike bind-key)
>>Allows binding keys in multiple keymaps/states at once (unlike bind-key)
This is saying that you can declare multiple maps for one keybind as an alternative to having to copy-paste the same line of your config 10 times for 10 different keymaps. Do you understand? This is just syntactic sugar for making your config file less verbose. This changes nothing when multiple maps have the same key-stroke mapped to different actions. IIRC emacs will just stupidly use whichever was declared last as if it's an overwrite.
You don't know shit about emacs OR English.
>lua still sucks ass
There isn’t a more easily extensible scripting language in existence. C+Lua is an insanely good combination. Lua is extremely easy to pick up and very fun.
this but lisp instead of lua and you don't need C
It's called python
Python isn't easily embed-able in an application and extensible with bindings for the language the program is primarily written in. Python also runs at snail speed. The nature of Lua is why you see it in so many programs as an easily script-able means of extending functionality. This is how it's used in nvim and other programs like nmap, as well as many games.
tell me you're a vscode webdev larper without telling me you're a vscode webdev larper
>Claims to be an expert Emacs user
>Doesn't know that company has its own map that gets applied whenever it's suggesting stuff and that modes are not the only way to activate a keymap.
Whatever you say bud, you sure have used Emacs a lot
Ok, which maps? I'll open emacs right now and add them to my config. It's still on this machine.
here, i did your googling for you
(with-eval-after-load 'company
(define-key company-active-map (kbd "M-n") nil)
(define-key company-active-map (kbd "M-p") nil)
(define-key company-active-map (kbd "j") #'company-select-next)
(define-key company-active-map (kbd "k") #'company-select-previous))
you literally said "cope lmao" a few posts ago anon
Yeah, already used in my config:
(general-define-key
:keymaps 'company-active-map
"<tab>" 'company-complete
"M-k" 'company-select-previous-or-abort
"M-j" 'company-select-next-or-abort)
Doesn't work because m-j is already:
(evil-global-set-key 'insert (kbd "M-j") 'evil-next-visual-line)
So the suggestion window opens, I press alt-j to move to the next suggestion snippet, but instead my cursor moves to the next line causing the suggestion window to close.
Ready to concede yet, homosexual?
Works splendidly on my Emacs, not sure what's wrong there
>So the suggestion window opens, I press alt-j to move to the next suggestion snippet, but instead my cursor moves to the next line causing the suggestion window to close.
i literally just tested it and it works. if company is active it scrolls through completions, if it's not it goes up and down lines in visual state, exactly as intended.
you spent all thread telling other people that they don't really know emacs while your own config is fricked beyond repair
you can't even configure an editor DESIGNED TO BE CONFIGURED
lmao @ ur lyfe
Holy frick this case study in Dunning-Kruger. My fricking sides
company-active-map
Not everyone appreciate the "One software to rule them all" mindset.
>It was a rhetorical question
A rhetorical question can still be a moronic question.
Besides, you can actually use key-chord to remap Enter to Ctrl, but you have never actually used Emacs despite your claims so you wouldn't know.
weak fingers typed this
Just use evil mode moron
THATS JUST VIM WITH EXTRA STEPS THOUGH
just use vim moron
Please have a nice day mouth breather.
no thanks, i don't think i will
Separate Anon, please do. Vim is for the gays.
>Vim is for the gays.
>uses vim inside Emacs
homosexual behavior
Dabbing on Vim homosexuals while continuing the Lisp Machine dream is what I live for, baby.
>Dabbing on Vim homosexuals
>by using vim inside an emulator
you are trying too hard
not him but let me help you out buddy, since you seem to be a bit slow. the point that anon is trying to get you to understand is that vim is literally an emacs plugin 🙂 we've absorbed everything you had to offer and extended on top of it. thanks for the nice key-bindings bro
>moron doesn't realize Vim is just a keybinding set, and nothing else.
why does everyone pretend vimtutor is all you need?
vimtutor enables you to use vim with the barebones minimal features it teaches you. if you actually want to learn vim youre gonna need to put in quite a bit of time into learning the advanced features
>why does everyone pretend vimtutor is all you need?
because it is. all you need is the basic movements and mechanics like
>h j k l c w d o a i f e ci di r 0 $ (their uppercase counterparts), maybe some others i cant think of right now, search and replace is useful too
and that's pretty much all you need to use it day to day. after that you can learn "advanced features" as you go and they can improve your experience bit by bit. The hardest part is building muscle memory, but in terms of learning, vimtutor is all you need to get started and actually use vim.
If you're not proficient at vim after running the vimtutor twice you're most likely a computer illiterate.
>b-but how do i save and quit
you did the vimtutor twice and didn't learn that yet?
>b-but search and replace
It's just regular expressions, moron
>b-but my hjkl
It's 4 buttons, how much dope do you smoke that you forget that after running vimtutor twice?
>b-but command mode
It's just ex, moron
>b-but vimscript
The vimscript syntax is obvious from reading it
>b-but my muscle memory
I sure hope you never need to learn how to ride a bike
Moron, swap Caps and Ctrl you filthy VIM Black person. Don't ever talk shit about Emacs again without leaving your Mom's house you stupid loser.
thank you sir for making my shitty day a little better
What? Why would you listen to some Vim moron that doesn't know you have to swap Caps with Ctrl for Emacs?
That's advice from a literal Mongoloid.
>bruh
zoomspeak
> the vimtutor takes like 5 minutes and you never have touch the mouse again
straight up bulshit you never used vim you just heard about it online.
bruh I've been using vim for like 5 years frfr nocap. i remember the vim tutor being quick as frick
fippy bippy
>OR DO YOU FOLD YOUR PINKY TO PRESS CTRL
hl2 and tf2 makes that feel natural to me lmao
still using vim though
justify?
although there was an initial time investment of maybe a dozen hours or so to learn the basics of vim, the time it's saved me in the years since probably amount to over a hundredfold that
Who do I need to justify anything to, homosexual? I'm a free man.
>2022
>western '''civilization'''
>I'm a free man
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Explain how I'm not free.
You can't send death threats to minorities on twitter?
>implying i can't
i hope you're joking
Based
This. Any threads like this BTFO. If you're comfy with something you're comfy with it.
Captcha: P0RND
haha you got porn'd
>Who do I need to justify anything
>t. can't read
>>t. can't read
kek based
It took a couple of days at most for me to get comfortable with basic Vim, and I've slowly learned more over the years by searching for features.
Almost minimal effort and it's boosted my daily productivity and comfort.
Learning emacs makes working with any kind of text easier. I use lots of text in the day, it was worth it.
Learning how to use Vim takes like 10 minutes, and lots of headless stuff will use vim as it's editor, or use vim navigation keys.
I can justify both more than you can justify any time spent on IQfy posting mediocre threads
Emacs is just not worth it, vim is
A gay wrote this
Just use evil mode
Egays is a waste of time.
Ema a doesn’t really have a skill ceiling. These days I do a lot of my editing using kbd macros
How do you justify learning a new IDE every 6 months?
>How do you justify learning a new IDE every 6 months?
vscode is still here for far longer than 6 months and it is going to stay for quite some time. what are you talking about?
now replace vscode in that sentence with emacs or vim.
Oh, that's a myth.
You spend most of your time configuring it, writing configuration code or trying to find plugins for it that allow you to do what any modern editor can do out of the box or with a couple of clicks.
Vim is cool. I learnt to use it. I used for years, and yes, I can type very fast in it.
But I stopped using it for the same reason I stopped using Linux and unironically bought a mac. Every time my workflow needed to change for some reason, I wasted ungodly amounts of time reinventing the wheel. With Sublime Text, VS Code or any other modern alternatives, you solve your new requirement in 10 minutes and continue working.
"Efficiency gains" using vim/emacs are a myth for boomers who are disconnected from the reality of the industry. If they have a job at all, that is, it's usually a dinosaur job.
This. People use vim or emacs for the same reason they use arch. They don't like their job and would rather spend their time fixing their tools than working.
Why do you lump Vim and Emacs together as if they were the same thing, samegay LARPer?
They are for the point I'm making. Also, I'm not OP.
The point I'm making is pic related.
As I said, I used Vim for a long time and got proficient in it. Emacs didn't click for me. I know they're not the same at all.
However, pic related. And you know it.
I don't even use Arch, homosexual, you're nothing but a whataboutist LARPer.
You can find testimonies of people using Arch for programming at work and home.
Nothing about Arch is difficult at all. The person who made that image is a coping troony moron who got filtered somehow by fricking "archinstall" or the well detailed manual install.
The whole "brag about using arch" meme is a psyop. Luckily, it was embraced and turned into a joke, but again the moron who made this image actually takes it seriously.
I can use Arch as quickly as I can Windows and as quickly as I can Ubuntu. Stop making excuses for your mental moronation. You and anyone who posts this image is a shit computer user reeking of insecurity. Either that or you have no fricking clue what you're saying or what Arch even is.
TL;DR: kys homosexual.
Thing used to be different. Most every distro was the same and arch was the same shit but more time consuming and buggier. Now there are half-finished, always-broken, system-slowing poettering, redhat, and shuttlefrick fragmentation forcing projects to avoid in every other distro (none of them benefit a normal user at all) so autist distros can actually save you time while ubuntu users try to figure out why printing doesn't work properly in chrome
this image is absolute cope, arch is the ultimate 'it just werks' distro. it might be true for the stereotypical minimalist ricer type of user, but if you just pacman -S gnome or kde after installation you get a very good workhorse system.
seek help you think like a potato ape
Incredibly based pic, Anon. I hate straight Arch gays for this reason alone. I'd rather shoot the shit with some crazy Gentoo or Slackware homosexual than some Arch gay that thinks life revolves around the Arch Wiki.
Can't stand shit that takes me fricking days to install. Don't care about the mainline arch installer either.
t. used Manjaro for the past year, probably will move onto Guile or Void for use with Emacs, cause who fricking cares, as long as its got the latest Emacs, I'm game.
>Don't care about the mainline arch installer either.
they made a new one recently, literally deprecates manjaro at this point. also arch just werks, stop taking 10 year old memes as reality
>also arch just werks, stop taking 10 year old memes as reality
This is true, but you have to remember how stupid the average IQfy lemming is. It's a part of the anti-arch psyop.
>But I stopped using it for the same reason I stopped using Linux and unironically bought a mac.
Tons of Vim and Emacs users are also Mac users. One of the most prolific Emacs ecosystem devs is a Macgay, in fact.
The difference is that they bought Macs because they value their time. You bought a Mac because your IQ is your shoe size.
Based as frick comment right here.
/thread
obvious neet detected
I smell a STREET SHITTER
>I can type very fast in it.
you sound like a larper
this.
I used to feel bad for all these vim/emacs users and his imaginary work performance that thinks they develop software faster when they don't have to leave hands from keyboard.
Not anymore, they got what they deserve and there is no point of showing them different, more efficient tools and workflows.
I only feel bad for new people who is getting into programming and they might get into that meme.
Please keep using vim/emacs, this is such a wonderful sign to spot morons in the industry (with 95% accuracy). I hope you're using linux, too.
t. JetBrains IDE enjoyer
samegay
Used both. If someone says they prefer JetBrains ides over over emacs or vim I assume they are a low IQ clown. Use whatever you want though just know your choices effect how people view you.
like I really care how some literal moron view me.
LOL
>jetbrains
meds
how do you justify making the same obsessed thread every single day?
it's fun =)
To start it was because I needed it for servers so wanted at least some skills. Then after that wanted to give it a shot because it was kinda comfy. And now it’s more efficient for me. But it’s cool to use whatever you like best; who cares.
As for time investment: lol I don’t care I did it during work. Didn’t take very long and even starting I wasn’t much slower. Imagine not using your job to learn shit.
I wanted to look cool in front of Graphical Text Editor plebs, no other reason other than that.
I plan on using my computer for many decades to come, the few months it might take to get used to emacs, and couple of years it takes to become a true expert, pales in comparison to that amount of time.
My reward is a computer system that is truly my own, and that is specialised for what I do in it. It is , for the most part, agnostic of operating system or any other incidental aspect of the computer I use.
The vast majority of time spent in such a tool is practical, you learn its utilities through having to use them. This is time I would have had to spend at my computer anyway, I simply choose to do it in emacs.
Vim on the other hand is a set of keybindings that you could probably learn in a few weeks and some regex shit that you should know anyway.
Based. This is the best comment in this thread. Configuring Emacs truly makes it your own. Vim even with plugins doesn't even come remotely close.
why stopping on configuration and making your own when at this point you can literally make your own text editor from scratch?
let me guess, you're moronic for that.
It would take many lifetimes to recreate the functionality of GNU Emacs, a project which has been under active development by thousands of people for over 40 years.
It's fun and makes my job more fun 🙂
I use vscode
enjoy your visual clutter
Cope lil monkey, not all of us use shitboxes that can't use real men applications.
Unlike you I'm working and time is money, if my manager see me use that wack ass shit I would be fired on the spot
Clown ass boy
Clown ass monkey
just use emacs lmao
>TIME IS SO IMPORTANT TO ME
>wastes time posting on IQfy
why are IQfy transsexuals such fricking liars?
IQfy is a more productive use of my time than Vim or Emacs.
that's because you don't have a job you stupid broke neet gay
The time that I get back daily from using them.
It's like sharpening an axe - which you, OP, have no conception of.
I use windows and vscode at work and I'm less productive when I'm on remote at home with Vim and Linux... so yeah... this "value your time" this and "I don't like tinkering that" seems like one big cope for your incapacity to learn something new. Why I use the tools I use? because I prefer that way. as shrimple as that.
how do you justify wasted time shitposting on the internet?
I count it as human communication
how did your parents justify having (you)?
So i can dab on editorlets.
bait thread
I know, I know.
😡
So confusing, right?
>How do you justify your time spent learning vim or emacs?
Vi took me about 1 hour to learn everything about by using vitutor:
https://gps.uml.edu/tutorials/unix-linux/unix/vitutor.zip
Both are a massive waste of time. Programmers don't edit text, they write it.
For the rare editing task, it is more ergonomic and time efficient to simply run a command such as awk over the contents of the entire file or a mouse selection.
>Programmers don't edit text, they write it.
midwit neet hands wrote this.
"maintainer" paws wrote this.
>i must do maximally efficiently the refactoring my basterds
>For the rare editing task, it is more ergonomic and time efficient to simply run a command such as awk over the contents of the entire file or a mouse selection.
Incredibly stupid, yet I can imagine some larper mong actually saying it. 8/10 good effort
High IQ chads who don't need to google awk commands actually do live like that.
t. has never played out an editor macro step by step like a child learning to walk.
Programmers are no authority when it comes to text editing. The average journalist writes fare more than any programmer.
vim got me a job
Explain
He's probably the only competent younggay who got employed with a bunch of aging near-retirement baby boomers.
The interview I just did, really made it alot faster and I had 20 minutes to spare.
nano allday erryday
vim and vim macros have probably saved me well over 100 hours at my job and i only learned it in the last year or so. and im always learning some new thing which further saves me time.
its a meme, but also true that you don't have enough time to not learn vim.
The time I saved reaching for the mouse is larger than the time it took to learn.
I use ed. Enjoy your bloat though.
I never understood the debate around vim vs emacs. I use vim because it's what I was introduced to first. I'm sure if people like emacs, they have their reasons. I really couldn't care less if I tried. It's a fricking text editor. There are bigger problems in the world
It's an East Coast vs West Coast thing.
Took me a day max for vim. Same for markdown.
OP is a stupid glowboy that should be pointed to the best comment on Emacs there ever way a few threads back:
Lol, Vim homosexuals BTFO
I value my time so I use neovim
Two gays here, round em up boys.
moron
Black person
gay
Cope, you stupid troony
seethe, you moronic homosexual
No need to cry to your mother
CAPTCHA: STD4G
correct, no need to cry to my mother. glad we agree.
>Verification not required.
Not the original Anon, but I use Nano and think you are both moronic.
org-mode is kino and I ditched both standard notes and whatever outlook todos and onenotes
org-mode has nothing to do with cinematography
Emacs gay here. I tried vim, but installing plugins and customizing was a pain, especially when optimizing it for programming. Emacs on the other hand has programming features out of the box and ease of plugin installation. I am happy having a custom IDE on the fly.
Using 'use-package' with Emacs is a fricking breeze compared to Neovim with plugins. good luck with shitty LSP support for Neovim too. Stupid Vim cope bros get BTFO.
Use package sucks ass. The only useful thing it does is download packages and all that extra shit is just a pain for no benefit.
Straight is 100x better.
>Good luck with shitty LSP support for Neovim too.
Wdym? Can you give some examples that work in emacs but not in neovim?
I remember there was a language server back when I used nvim that would only update its syntax highlighting when I wrote a file to the disk.
Nice theme bro, got the Emacs config for it? Any config snippets for this too? I'm assuming that's treemacs with line number mode enabled + company.
Vim was like 15 minuets and it does everything I need
Just use vim. Emacs users are super opinionated. MacOS users who use Emacs are on another homosexualary level. You don't want to be in that circle and don't even try to argue with them. Not worth your time
>i choose the software i use based on how much people hurt my feefees instead of technical aspects
Fine, stay in your echo chamber and remain ignorant.
Vim is easier than every other editor I've tried. The basics are not obvious, bit they're not complicated either and every other editor I've tried makes nontrivial stuff a huge pain in service of making the basics obvious.
I'll never get those twelve minutes in vim tutor back. Is it over for me?
>time spent learning vim
30 minutes?
if you work in a server environment you don't really have a choice but to "learn" vim
I went from vim to emacs. It was a good decision. Less key presses to do the same amount of work. Also working in any other text editor became easier
nano just works
Based simplicity enjoyer
I also just use nano.
I cant justify emacs because its learning for no gains but neovim is just like vscode.
This. Unlike vim, emacs doesn't come preinstalled on most of the distros for a reason
Vim is not preinstalled on most distributions either. This is very popular myth, but blatantly incorrect.
Vi is a POSIX requirement, but vi no longer really exists* on linux so it is provided in practice by a minimal vim install running in vi compatibility mode
* - Actually some version still exists on BSD somewhere I think
But technically full vim is not installed, no. There's always separate vim packages
my career. vim has taken me far.
source?
No source. I made that up and I use emacs
https://triplebyte.com/blog/editor-report-the-rise-of-visual-studio-code
>First, notice the preeminence of Emacs and Vim! Engineers who use these editors pass our interview at significantly higher rates than other engineers. And the effect size is not small. Emacs users pass our interview at a rate 50% higher than other engineers. What could explain this phenomenon? One possible explanation is that Vim and Emacs are old school. You might expect their users to have more experience and, thus, to do better.
>Do Emacs and Vim users have some other characteristic that makes them more likely to succeed during interviews? Perhaps they tend to be more willing to invest time and effort customizing a complex editor in the short-term in order to get returns from a more powerful tool in the long-term?
Theres no real reason to use emacs besides org mode which you can easily get away with markdown and excel
>markdown and excel
Why yes, let me replace my text editor with a markup format and spreadsheet software.
Get real, markdown can't do 1/10th the things org can.
I mean, if you want to work with others you'll need to use markdown but not org mode. Simple as
Why?
Most text editors can handle org files, pandoc exports to/from org.
If a repo that you an your team members work on contains a markdown file, what would you do? Do you maintain an org file yourself? Of course not because it doesn't make sense. Most people don't even know what an org mode is.
are you being moronic on purpose?
>If a repo that you an your team members work on contains a markdown file, what would you do?
absolutely nothing? what's your ponit here? do you really think org mode's only purpose is to replace markdown readmes in github repos?
not interested in an autistic mode in a closed ecosystem. Excel and markdown is enough for most uses
>closed ecosystem
What does that mean?
>Excel and markdown is enough for most uses
You have already said.
Repeating it won't magically make it true.
>gets btfo
>n..not interested in a closed ecosystem
>proceeds to praise Excel
what a mouth breathing moron, no wonder you can't into good software
Agree with reply Anon
>"Not gonna use closed ecosystem"
>Uses Excel
What? How much are they paying these dumb Pajeets these days? Seriously, how much of these morons are getting paid by MS and Apple to post on IQfy? I want to know.
Closed ecosystem? Are you fricking moronic? You can intertwine every facet of Emacs with each other to be able to handle any workflow.
>a plaintext format is a closed ecosystem
2/10 pity (You)
>If a repo that you an your team members work on contains a org file, what would you do? Do you maintain an markdown file yourself? Of course not because it doesn't make sense.
Since when was the existence of worse things an argument that you shouldn't use the better one when you can?
Emacs can edit both org and markdown files.
Also, what the frick repos do you work in with MD everywhere? The biggest use for this shit is personal, I thought.
I guess maybe in the documentation for stuff, but that isn't usually the sort of place where format matters beyond how you make something bold or monospace.
>use org mode and be comfy
>export to markdown
Simple as
When I use emac or tmux + vim I feel like mr robot. i feel like i am living in the 1980s and my terminal is a godlike terminal.
Emacs hasn't been a terminal editor by default for over two decades.
magit and orgmode are the only reason to learn emacs
For real. Even if you don't like Emacs as a text editor, you have to admit that Magit is probably the greatest Git frontend out there, Emacs is worth using for that alone.
if you hate emacs as a text editor you can just use evil anyway
i use emacs as a glorified nano. does the job. only a few changes to dot emacs like mouse support in terminal and occasionally ill play around with new plugins but its mainly to make quick edits when i dont want to open vscode or intellij.
also ricing is for losers. daily reminder stock ubuntu is for chads
>How do you justify your time spent learning vim or emacs?
It's fun and interesting
It makes me more efficient at editing text which is my day job
It makes editing text more interesting than just pressing the right arrow 50x
It takes like no time to learn, apart from 30 minutes on the basics. You just look things up as and when you need them and slowly learn by osmosis over years
All this for vim btw, frick emacs. Autistic bullshit
Vim is 100% more gay. Emacs is better.
I justify it by the productivity increase when editing code
It was never worth it until I was forced to use Linux as my main OS because the company I work for runs their software on Linux. It ended up just being easier to learn to use vim and do my work directly on the target OS rather than messing around with SSH and essentially splitting my workflow over 2 different computers and OSs. I still think I'm faster with a traditional VS Code esque workflow (Ctrl+A, Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, Ctrl+F, Ctrl+H/Alt+A, mouse to select text, etc.) than I am with vim, but I find vim more fun to use even if it's clunkier - the feeling I get from using vim and never having to move my hand to the mouse is worth the investment to me, at least from an emotional standpoint.
You can literally do all of those remote editing tasks using Tramp Mode in Emacs. You failed the day you chose Vim.
or... you could just use vim inside the machine you SSH? Tramp is extremely overrated, I don't see the point of using your riced Emacs config which will come without LSP to edit simple server files.
Another Vim mouthbreather that just doesn't get it.
>It's overrated
Only a complete gay that never used Tramp would say this. You're a stupid b***h, and your mother should have spat your cum out on the sofa.
Oh then go ahead and tell me how using Emacs to edit my pihole files will open my mind to new possibilities (and possibly lock my program as I try to use LSP and EXWM)
>Oh then go ahead and tell me how using Emacs to edit my pihole files will open my mind to new possibilities
ok
>want to edit x files on pi
>open up trusty emac
>open the remote files like any other files
>edit comfily as you wish, the files might as well been on your normal pc, your setup and all your usual tools are there for you, beautiful.
>exwm
idk anon, mybe just don't install that package if you don't want to use it tbh?
I expected you to answer exactly this, so scare how predictable you are, I even thought to myself "hes gonna type 'comfy' inst he?" anyways. Please, I used Tramp before, when I broke my Emacs config using the newest lsp-mode packages I had to use nano and vi (vim compatibility mode) for servers and I felt no real difference. It's overrated, now switched to Neovim and the only thing I miss is org from the so called "killer features" of Emacs.
>haha i know the point of tramp, and i just KNEW you were gonna tell me what the point of tramp was after i asked
>haha well guess what, I DON'T LIKE IT, i broke emacs because i couldn't configure lsp and now im butthurt, haha neovim so much better
what a homosexual, enjoy your half working packages that break every week on neovim, moron
Are you guys usually this butthurt about people who doesn't think big of Emacs? is /emg/ that much of a circlejerk? all this happened when lsp-mode was beta software, i've been using Emacs longer than you... probably It might be hard to assume such since the Emacs community barely gets new blood.
>i've been using Emacs longer than you
So you are him. Makes sense.
Whatever allow you to cope my man, I honestly don't care.
>all this happened when lsp-mode was beta software
so you use that experience to bash emacs today? and instead moved to neovim where the new lua built in lsp stuff is barely coming out and still beta?
>i've been using Emacs longer than you... probably It might be hard to assume such since the Emacs community barely gets new blood.
blatant lie, im seeing with my own eyes how much new activity /emg/ is getting. it used to be the same thread for days until it reached the last page and died from inactivity and it would take like a day for someone to make a new thread, while lately it takes like 2 days to reach bump limit and a new thread needs to be made. i think it's probably thanks to doom emacs and spacemacs and distrotube making a bunch of emacs videos
>when I broke my Emacs config using the newest lsp-mode packages
Are you this moron that got btfo
?
See, this b***h is just a blatant troll. Listen bro, no honest Emacs dude respects any Vimmer, period. They just don't get it, and never will.
They are just try-hards that are no better than mouthbreathers that use VS Code.
>SEE!!
>I knew the benefits of emacs; I knew why people use it
>and you use it for the same reasons
>it continues to have those same benefits it has always had
>scary isn't it?
Alternate hypothesis:
Zoomer has not been alive long enough to spend masses of time learning text editor.
It really was easy for him because children tend to be better at learning things.
>children tend to be better at learning things.
not zoomers there is nothing in zoomer life that gives you an edge all you get is short attention span and dependence on huge bloated coorporate tech.Also vimtutor doesnt have enough information to do anything special.
>not zoomers there is nothing in zoomer life that gives you an edge
You are a moron who is ignorant of basic biology.
Lifestyle has nothing to do with being better at learning, it's about age.
Children's brains are more suited to learning, a child learns the same thing faster than an adult would.
Wow, as an avid Emacs fan that is in this thread, even I can stop you right there and say that 'vimtutor' is an amazing way to learn Vim.
Is it fully comprehensible to get most of your shit done? Yes, for most people absolutely.
If you want to do that kind of 2 second wizard keybinding shit that you see on YouTube or stupid Zoomer Twitch streamers setups, yes, you will have to crack open the man pages deep within Vim or check related wiki pages, and other setups with plugins.
Goddamn, it hurts me to say it because I still know Emacs is the better choice, but damn man, you can't even defend Vim properly.
I can't believe someone doesn't like 'vimtutor'. What a fricking mong.
t. Emacs dude who even thinks the default Emacs tutorial should be more like 'vimtutor'.
emacs is fun
comfy as frick
combine it with guix to abstract your specific workflow from hardware
it feels great to have your entire setup automatically configure itself on a new linux laptop within 10 minutes
Just use vscode and enjoy proper ide functions like profiling. Don't bother with vim or emacs
I write code every day for uni and work, so the maybe 10 hours total of lost time from when initally vim was slower, setting up configuring nvim, etc. has long paid for itself
>t. Jetbrains subscriber
People who hate emacs are low iq morons who got filtered hard.
Amen.
>DURRR IT DOESNT LOOK SHINY FROM OUT OF THE BOX
>DURRR ILL JUST USE VS CODE
I needed to use vim to use git CLI and server stuff so that was worth it. I learned emacs because I was interested in lisp and learned that it was a great editor once you get used to it.
it was fun and helped me to better edit text and even use other programs since one or the other often influenced keybinds in a program
i learned both when i was a kid and had all the time in a world to frick around, unlike you who spent your youth seeing how many times in a day you could jerk off
You want ide you use vscode
You want text editor you use vim
Simple as
Simple if you're a moron.
I like configuring (neo)vim. I often configure my system and its programs for fun. Also it simply just feels better to edit text with it compared to "normal" text editors.
Configuring vim or nvim is such a waste of time. If you love tinkering your workflow why not go emacs directly?
It was fun learning it.
i just like it
Emacs users be like
Frick yeah, Vim homosexuals BTFO
kek
i learned vim motions easily by just using intellij ideaVim plugin for my work machine
once i was completely comfortable with vim motions, it took about a couple of hours in an afternoon to configure neovim to my liking
so it's really not something that i've had to *actively* learn
reminder emacs can do everything its competitors can, but none of the competitors can do all the things emacs does.
Amen
take a few minutes to learn how to cut/copy/paste/open/close/save. you now have achieved feature parity with notepad. enable line numbers and syntax highlighting etc. you now have feature parity with notepad++. now learn macros
>Now learn macros
No, Black person, now learn Emacs.
How do you justify sitting on your ass playing vidya? YOU DON'T
I play games because I'm a neet. I don't even play them anymore and I watch streamers on twitch
>time spent learning vim
had to as part of one of my classes for my degree. Sucked but in the end I'm glad I did, because like every single distro ever (even the most stripped down ones) have vi or vim. And once you spend a little time learning the controls, it's not that bad.