We recognize earlier exposure to a thing as being earlier boredom/disinterest to that thing. In social media this is the massive blare of peer influence and coercion. When an individual overcomes this, and social media does help in giving us thousands of reasons to do so, they are much better as a consequence.
cos you won't be able to read if you can't write, duh.
There are endless stacks of books but most of them I don't want to read. It's like the pseudo science texts STEM Black folk wrote to shit on humanists when post modernity became big to prove that their babble is not worth shit
>Millennials have only written schlock despite not growing up with the internet >The generation after these colossal failures is as braindead as them
Hilarious. Hope you are not actually expecting anything different.
Yea sure if you wanna nitpick like that. More or less whatever, the point is that millennials already showed they have no artistic merit and the zoomers will not be any better.
i don't know. i don't think anybody does. i mean, the novel is already really going the way of rock and roll, in terms of dying as an art form imo, and the novel's strength is in how well it's able to provide perspective and insight into human experience.
but now, human experience has changed so rapidly and become so complicated out of nowhere with the internet and social media. it's almost like 2001 was a clean break between an old world and a new world.
How is social media going to affect the next generation of writers?
I wonder if the issue of the youth being addicted is overblown, but the constant alarming I see from different sources almost makes me believe it. I used the phone a lot during my high-school, can't imagine how that would look if I had an advanced phone since primary school. Especially in this age of predatory social media that thrive on addicting people. It's unironically scary.
Can't help but feel somewhat relieved, they are so fricked in the head that they won't be a competition for my 24 years old maladjusted ass, I will actually be able to land a job easier if they are too incompetent to even operate the PC properly. That is, until the society explodes because the youth's utterly fricked.
Still, they might be fricked up enough for the paradigm to shift and make the society less demanding and predatory, their incompetency and maladjustment large enough to restructure society.
>human experience has changed so rapidly and become so complicated out of nowhere
That's an illusion, it has actually been flattened and simplified. Screens don't "complicate" the human experience, they just get you addicted to quick dopamine bursts. The development of inner life is stunted, consequentially social life is primitivized as well. No communicative nuance, no layers, the very capacity to talk about complex experience vanishes, and with it the capacity to have it.
We will probably see more writers from disadvantaged places like Africa who didn't have the burden of growing up with constant screen access. They will be the better writers in the future.
I'm not a teacher, but I am a Fast Food wagecuck meaning I work with a lot of teenagers. I can honestly tell you that the only kids who have even the remotest bit of critical reasoning skills or even just problem solving in general are the kids who come from really poor backgrounds (abusive/druggy parents, absent parents, etc.) and it really does lead me to believe that Anon is right that more writers will come from disadvantaged areas.
You don't necessarily need a literary pedigree to be a great writer, it doesn't hurt by any means, but as long as you're reading and writing with regularity and making steady progress with your work, you will eventually get there, and given how the bar is falling so rapidly, I really do believe that it won't even take that much to get there.
amazing that the well-off are fricking themselves up so badly that the people that are born poor or have shitty parents (which were always dumber than more luckier people) are actually smarter than they are
It's because the ones born poor or have shitty parents have to step it up or die from a young age and I'm not exaggerating when I say that. Mom and Dad are strung the frick out from speedballing Meth and Heroin all night, they're seven years old, and they need to eat. They either learn to scrounge up some food for themselves or they go hungry for who knows how long.
Meanwhile, the kids from better off families are basically given unlimited access to Xbox/Playstation/PC/Mobile and have food-on-demand from Mom and Dad as long as they don't bother them otherwise.
>but as long as you're reading and writing with regularity and making steady progress with your work, you will eventually get there
This is obviously bullshit. Every great writer is high iq.
Fair, but one can't deny that with how fast and far the bar is dropping, that literally anyone could be the next Great American Writer just by virtue of producing something that doesn't seem written by a 14-year-old.
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Anonymous
>but as long as you're reading and writing with regularity and making steady progress with your work, you will eventually get there
This is obviously bullshit. Every great writer is high iq.
...why are you guys talking like becoming successful as a writer ever had anything to do with skill or talent? Neither have anything to do with success, only marketing does. If you want to be the next great writer, concentrate on making connections with the right people so that they can pull strings for you in publishing, marketing, and criticism and make you the next big thing. Classics are made, not written.
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Anonymous
I'm just saying that a mediocre writer from 100 years ago would be revolutionary if they published today.
imagine taking seriously the current tech fad. Do this in 1910 and you would have replaced your nose with a rubber tube, only to be rendered out-dated next year and downright achaic by the next decade.
You sound like Chomsky when he said the internet will have about as much of an impact on life as fax machines
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Anonymous
that was true for a good 30 years, wasn't it? Oh you must be part of those tweens who joined the internet when mark zuckerberg ran his ad campaign.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>that was true for a good 30 years, wasn't it
No it wasn't
You sound like Chomsky when he said the internet will have about as much of an impact on life as fax machines
>Chomsky
Paul Krugman said that
11 months ago
Anonymous
>No it wasn't
yes it did,internet didn't really change anything massively until facebook and the iphone were added to the mix; like adding rat poison to heroin.
I agree in general though, the behavior we see that's fricking shit today was always around on the internet; merely more people have become infected by the solipsism and egoism. It took a long while though and ultimately are we not all bored of it and don't find ti novel anymore? Like the fax machine?
We will probably see more writers from disadvantaged places like Africa who didn't have the burden of growing up with constant screen access. They will be the better writers in the future.
I do a decent amount of reading and I don't get it. I'll go through novels and poetry and classics and its just fine. I may go on a walk and amuse myself reflecting on what I've read. I write a little everyday but I'm never impressed reading it back. I don't know anyone who reads but I'm not too sociable. I think people on the internet are annoying so I don't bother interacting. Somehow they're more annoying on an anonymous image board but it starts making sense when I think about it. Even if reading were to become a universal activity I would be left behind. This was your gift to me and I'm happy enough with it.
You think we're going to have a next generation of writers?
Any great work from the zoomers will be at least a quarter AI-written.
On an unrelated note, it infuriates me how "zoomer" has nothing to do with being the generation to use Zoom for schooling during the pandemic but is instead an "-oomer" variant.
i "tutor" english (not literally a tutor, its complicated) and the zoomers (around 16-20 years old) i've encountered are not at all moronic. in fact i was most surprised at their disinterest in social media (the only one with a tiktok account was a 20 yo girl), they all at best spent some time on instagram but for the most part used social media less than i did, talked about having various hobbies outside of sitting on their phone, even claimed they were trying to cut down on their time spent in front of a screen (no idea if this was true though, could have been lying to appear more mature and sophisticated)
despite either still being in high school, or having just graduated, i was impressed by their grasp of the english language. also i'm fairly certain they're publicly schooled so it's not like they're some product of elite education or upbringing. ultimately the main takeaway from this is two-pronged: one, anyone interested in furthering their language skills is likely to be ambitious and forward-thinking, therefore far above the average zoomer, so i cannot judge an entire generation from such a small sample. secondly, they aren't american (obviously) so that plays a significant role.
in short, amerimutt problems. collapsing empire, etc
this is overblown. when us millennials were young, everyone complained that all we did was play video games. and yet most of us turned out perfectly literate and able to reason
>when us millenials were young >most of us turned out perfectly literate
nonono come on now
For more than a century every generation has been dumber than the last. morons are on a sinking ship sitting back and sipping dacquaris because there haven't been any catastrophic explosions.
>For more than a century every generation has been dumber than the last. morons are on a sinking ship sitting back and sipping dacquaris because there haven't been any catastrophic explosions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect
peak r*ddit. Read that very same article for "Possible End of Progression"
>In the United Kingdom, a study by Flynn (2009) found that tests carried out in 1980 and again in 2008 show that the IQ score of an average 14-year-old dropped by more than two points over the period. For the upper half of the results, the performance was even worse. Average IQ scores declined by six points. However, children aged between five and 10 saw their IQs increase by up to half a point a year over the three decades. Flynn argues that the abnormal drop in British teenage IQ could be due to youth culture having "stagnated" or even dumbed down. Researcher Richard House, commenting on the study, also mentions the computer culture diminishing reading books as well as a tendency towards teaching to the test.[66][67]
Not to mention the fact that le Flynn Effect is a statement about industrial society lifting up the Many from the mud, who become improved, but are ultimately irrelevant. Hylics do not matter, and the people in a society who have the soul-stuff to excel meaningfully are lessening in that vital, multi-dimensional force, that nebulous thing sometimes gestured at through individuation, which really defines true human progress and achievement.
Video games were meant to be fun, but they weren't designed by teams of psychologist and the smartest people on earth to get you to stay on as long as possible. At least not until recently
>They are discouraged by their peers from reading anything "weird", which may or may not have to do with sex but can mean any content that isn't comfortable and pre-approved by those around them. This results in an environment where if they see anything they don't like, they experience discomfort to the point of panic and anger, and lash out.
This is surely not mirroring any other real life trends that we could have seen in the last 10 years, right?
That only works if you're brown or from overseas and planning to cheat on every test you take and pay for people to write your papers for you. If you're a native of the country, you're going to have to do 500 ritual humiliation internships in high school and be president of the scrotal inflation club, and have a "personal story" about how you overcame adversity as some kind of freak, so get started on your freak identity which is also a form of ritual humiliation and self-kompromat.
>implying there's a present generation of writers
Why learn to write when technology can do it for you?
probably in a very good way.. if..
We recognize earlier exposure to a thing as being earlier boredom/disinterest to that thing. In social media this is the massive blare of peer influence and coercion. When an individual overcomes this, and social media does help in giving us thousands of reasons to do so, they are much better as a consequence.
cos you won't be able to read if you can't write, duh.
Because AI books are never good. Not that you would ever write anything better.
There are endless stacks of books but most of them I don't want to read. It's like the pseudo science texts STEM Black folk wrote to shit on humanists when post modernity became big to prove that their babble is not worth shit
There wont be one
The next generation of writers will be to literature what Jackson Pollock was to paintings.
I’m gonna Jackson Pollack your mom
That already happened with Ezra Pound and James Joyce
No, imagine something with far, far less effort.
>Millennials have only written schlock despite not growing up with the internet
>The generation after these colossal failures is as braindead as them
Hilarious. Hope you are not actually expecting anything different.
Only early millennials grew up with no Internet.
All millenials grew up with internet.
Yea sure if you wanna nitpick like that. More or less whatever, the point is that millennials already showed they have no artistic merit and the zoomers will not be any better.
Did gen x or boomers have any artistic merit? Everything was shit after the 19th century
i don't know. i don't think anybody does. i mean, the novel is already really going the way of rock and roll, in terms of dying as an art form imo, and the novel's strength is in how well it's able to provide perspective and insight into human experience.
but now, human experience has changed so rapidly and become so complicated out of nowhere with the internet and social media. it's almost like 2001 was a clean break between an old world and a new world.
I wonder if the issue of the youth being addicted is overblown, but the constant alarming I see from different sources almost makes me believe it. I used the phone a lot during my high-school, can't imagine how that would look if I had an advanced phone since primary school. Especially in this age of predatory social media that thrive on addicting people. It's unironically scary.
Can't help but feel somewhat relieved, they are so fricked in the head that they won't be a competition for my 24 years old maladjusted ass, I will actually be able to land a job easier if they are too incompetent to even operate the PC properly. That is, until the society explodes because the youth's utterly fricked.
Still, they might be fricked up enough for the paradigm to shift and make the society less demanding and predatory, their incompetency and maladjustment large enough to restructure society.
>human experience has changed so rapidly and become so complicated out of nowhere
That's an illusion, it has actually been flattened and simplified. Screens don't "complicate" the human experience, they just get you addicted to quick dopamine bursts. The development of inner life is stunted, consequentially social life is primitivized as well. No communicative nuance, no layers, the very capacity to talk about complex experience vanishes, and with it the capacity to have it.
From that same thread.
>hurrr reddit >:(
Look, teachers that interact with the next generation IRL are not on IQfy dot org slash lit.
I'm not a teacher, but I am a Fast Food wagecuck meaning I work with a lot of teenagers. I can honestly tell you that the only kids who have even the remotest bit of critical reasoning skills or even just problem solving in general are the kids who come from really poor backgrounds (abusive/druggy parents, absent parents, etc.) and it really does lead me to believe that Anon is right that more writers will come from disadvantaged areas.
You don't necessarily need a literary pedigree to be a great writer, it doesn't hurt by any means, but as long as you're reading and writing with regularity and making steady progress with your work, you will eventually get there, and given how the bar is falling so rapidly, I really do believe that it won't even take that much to get there.
amazing that the well-off are fricking themselves up so badly that the people that are born poor or have shitty parents (which were always dumber than more luckier people) are actually smarter than they are
It's because the ones born poor or have shitty parents have to step it up or die from a young age and I'm not exaggerating when I say that. Mom and Dad are strung the frick out from speedballing Meth and Heroin all night, they're seven years old, and they need to eat. They either learn to scrounge up some food for themselves or they go hungry for who knows how long.
Meanwhile, the kids from better off families are basically given unlimited access to Xbox/Playstation/PC/Mobile and have food-on-demand from Mom and Dad as long as they don't bother them otherwise.
>but as long as you're reading and writing with regularity and making steady progress with your work, you will eventually get there
This is obviously bullshit. Every great writer is high iq.
Fair, but one can't deny that with how fast and far the bar is dropping, that literally anyone could be the next Great American Writer just by virtue of producing something that doesn't seem written by a 14-year-old.
...why are you guys talking like becoming successful as a writer ever had anything to do with skill or talent? Neither have anything to do with success, only marketing does. If you want to be the next great writer, concentrate on making connections with the right people so that they can pull strings for you in publishing, marketing, and criticism and make you the next big thing. Classics are made, not written.
I'm just saying that a mediocre writer from 100 years ago would be revolutionary if they published today.
And? Social class and ethnicity have nothing to do with IQ.
technology is turning newer generations into cyberpunk cavemen.
When direct neural links come into use, literacy is going to go straight into the fricking toilet. What a world.
Say it ain't so.
On the bright side you'll be able to directly experience exactly how I feel about Black folk rather than trying to decipher my rambling shitposts
imagine taking seriously the current tech fad. Do this in 1910 and you would have replaced your nose with a rubber tube, only to be rendered out-dated next year and downright achaic by the next decade.
You sound like Chomsky when he said the internet will have about as much of an impact on life as fax machines
that was true for a good 30 years, wasn't it? Oh you must be part of those tweens who joined the internet when mark zuckerberg ran his ad campaign.
>that was true for a good 30 years, wasn't it
No it wasn't
>Chomsky
Paul Krugman said that
>No it wasn't
yes it did,internet didn't really change anything massively until facebook and the iphone were added to the mix; like adding rat poison to heroin.
I agree in general though, the behavior we see that's fricking shit today was always around on the internet; merely more people have become infected by the solipsism and egoism. It took a long while though and ultimately are we not all bored of it and don't find ti novel anymore? Like the fax machine?
>yfw fax machines are still used
We will probably see more writers from disadvantaged places like Africa who didn't have the burden of growing up with constant screen access. They will be the better writers in the future.
>writing personal statements
nothing is more unnecessary. Why do they keep requiring this shit?
I do a decent amount of reading and I don't get it. I'll go through novels and poetry and classics and its just fine. I may go on a walk and amuse myself reflecting on what I've read. I write a little everyday but I'm never impressed reading it back. I don't know anyone who reads but I'm not too sociable. I think people on the internet are annoying so I don't bother interacting. Somehow they're more annoying on an anonymous image board but it starts making sense when I think about it. Even if reading were to become a universal activity I would be left behind. This was your gift to me and I'm happy enough with it.
>They don't go tell Mr. Boomer they're done and to give them more work.
And so?
Motivated and interesting kids are still going to get interested in things. Who cares if brainless zoomers just end scrolling on their phones all day?
You think we're going to have a next generation of writers?
Any great work from the zoomers will be at least a quarter AI-written.
On an unrelated note, it infuriates me how "zoomer" has nothing to do with being the generation to use Zoom for schooling during the pandemic but is instead an "-oomer" variant.
Posting Reddit and Twitter screenshot threads should be a permaban
If by permaban you mean ticket to the gas chamber I agree
i "tutor" english (not literally a tutor, its complicated) and the zoomers (around 16-20 years old) i've encountered are not at all moronic. in fact i was most surprised at their disinterest in social media (the only one with a tiktok account was a 20 yo girl), they all at best spent some time on instagram but for the most part used social media less than i did, talked about having various hobbies outside of sitting on their phone, even claimed they were trying to cut down on their time spent in front of a screen (no idea if this was true though, could have been lying to appear more mature and sophisticated)
despite either still being in high school, or having just graduated, i was impressed by their grasp of the english language. also i'm fairly certain they're publicly schooled so it's not like they're some product of elite education or upbringing. ultimately the main takeaway from this is two-pronged: one, anyone interested in furthering their language skills is likely to be ambitious and forward-thinking, therefore far above the average zoomer, so i cannot judge an entire generation from such a small sample. secondly, they aren't american (obviously) so that plays a significant role.
in short, amerimutt problems. collapsing empire, etc
disinterest means lack of bias, uninterested means lack of interest
well la-di-da
this is overblown. when us millennials were young, everyone complained that all we did was play video games. and yet most of us turned out perfectly literate and able to reason
>when us millenials were young
>most of us turned out perfectly literate
nonono come on now
For more than a century every generation has been dumber than the last. morons are on a sinking ship sitting back and sipping dacquaris because there haven't been any catastrophic explosions.
>For more than a century every generation has been dumber than the last. morons are on a sinking ship sitting back and sipping dacquaris because there haven't been any catastrophic explosions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect
peak r*ddit. Read that very same article for "Possible End of Progression"
>In the United Kingdom, a study by Flynn (2009) found that tests carried out in 1980 and again in 2008 show that the IQ score of an average 14-year-old dropped by more than two points over the period. For the upper half of the results, the performance was even worse. Average IQ scores declined by six points. However, children aged between five and 10 saw their IQs increase by up to half a point a year over the three decades. Flynn argues that the abnormal drop in British teenage IQ could be due to youth culture having "stagnated" or even dumbed down. Researcher Richard House, commenting on the study, also mentions the computer culture diminishing reading books as well as a tendency towards teaching to the test.[66][67]
Not to mention the fact that le Flynn Effect is a statement about industrial society lifting up the Many from the mud, who become improved, but are ultimately irrelevant. Hylics do not matter, and the people in a society who have the soul-stuff to excel meaningfully are lessening in that vital, multi-dimensional force, that nebulous thing sometimes gestured at through individuation, which really defines true human progress and achievement.
Video games were meant to be fun, but they weren't designed by teams of psychologist and the smartest people on earth to get you to stay on as long as possible. At least not until recently
>They are discouraged by their peers from reading anything "weird", which may or may not have to do with sex but can mean any content that isn't comfortable and pre-approved by those around them. This results in an environment where if they see anything they don't like, they experience discomfort to the point of panic and anger, and lash out.
This is surely not mirroring any other real life trends that we could have seen in the last 10 years, right?
Universities still require personal statements? Here the personal statement: I’m offering £50,000 for this, take it or leave it.
That only works if you're brown or from overseas and planning to cheat on every test you take and pay for people to write your papers for you. If you're a native of the country, you're going to have to do 500 ritual humiliation internships in high school and be president of the scrotal inflation club, and have a "personal story" about how you overcame adversity as some kind of freak, so get started on your freak identity which is also a form of ritual humiliation and self-kompromat.