Be me, happy all my life, healthy, successful, have gf etc. Was aware of schopenhauer but only had read some essays, mostly agreed and found it eye opening but was still happy nonetheless. Went through the first depressive patch of my life this year and got really into Schopenhauer and books like better to never have been by Pat Benatar etc. Everything now seems like pointless striving to appease the will. Lost all optimism, becoming anti natalist etc. Feels like Pandoras box has been opened for me.
Any life affirming recommendations to refute? Nietzsche?
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it aint going away, it's over
Islam or Christianity.
cope
Read some rigorous stuff like Joshua Sijuwade or Richard Swinburne.
>just wait for rapture bro
Already answered your own question
Nietzsche is not life affirming, he wants to sacrifice the eternal life for a temporal one. It's pathetic.
Attempting to recast the meaning of „life-affirming“ as its exact opposite by giving inordinate weight to extreme speculation is pathetic.
Christian Apologetics were not as advanced in his time as they are now.
What once was metaphysical speculation with sound logical underpinnings is now a contender for an extremely plausible universal truth.
It's more life affirming to beat death then to fall in it's lap.
Anything can be argued by mongoloid apes to be very likely; you‘re still a chump if you let their best guesses run this real, demonstrable, life that you actually have.
Does your life actually resemble the 'reality' that Nietzsche describes? Genuinely feel sorry for you if so.
>the moronation wasn't as advanced back then
Ignoring whether that's actually true or not (because we don't exactly have intellectuals like Pascal walking around these days), it's still moronation.
You calling something moronic doesn't make it so. All philosophy is moronic in the light of Christianity and how its power to put huge societies of peoples on a virtuous and spiritual path, insofar as it is taught correctly which today is a problem in the west. Buts it's exactly the secularization and the emphasis on philosophy and science in the west that has broken the apolostolic succession and thus the essence of Christianity.
Putin and the average russian cradle orthod are shit examples. The lumpen westoid convert is actually way more sincere than russian-native orthos.
I do agree with you about that apologetics are now better(since the early 20th century). Mostly because they are more in need compared to anytime in the 19th century. It was just a given you be Christian then, when now you actually need convincing.
Why beat death when life derives much of its meaning through death. Without it biological drivers become moot and the soul is rendered impotent when infinity is the measure.
>he wants to sacrifice the eternal life for a temporal one.
You mean he wants to eliminate the last man's lethargic fantasy of eternal life in exchange for valuing the thrill of the physical existence we find ourselves in.
>valuing the thrill of the physical existence we find ourselves in.
You didn't understand Nietzsche 🙂
lit has done a 180 on Nietzsche we have come full circle.
cringe
Schopenhauer literally wrote on how to achieve happiness, you're just moronic.
Yep I know become an ascetic, but before I break up with my gf to become a schizo I would like to see if my mind can be changed
Kek, how did you even end up reading Schopenhauer if you think that ditching some prostitute”friend” is too much of a price to pay for harmonious reminder of life?
Kirkegaard
Wagner, though he doesn't necessarily refute Schoppy.
>can't handle basedhauer
Why are so many people like that?
Not even Schoppy could handle himself, which is why he had to add the cope about transcending earthly existence through art and asceticism
Read the 3 Critiques. Logos is King, the Will, if not subservient, is an usurper.
>Any life affirming recommendations to refute?
Burn his books
Get a job
Find an hobby or life project
Find a healthy spiritual practice
Ask your friends if they want to go grab some beers and watch the game
Buy some ribs and invite your family for a barbacue
Find a broad that doesn't bust your balls much
And stopping in this pseud infested rathole
>Find a healthy spiritual practice
How?
Go to church
Cringe homosexual modernity is over
Be a jazz musician
No single book anon but the long track from Buddhism to Neitchez to Heidegger will eventually get you there
You will have to learn to accept the unimportance of your ego in order to reject the worship of your ego
And from that find your ego as a tool which you can motivate to a purpose
A purpose which inevitably you will find to necessarily be the persuit of truth
That persuit will in time lead you to either and implicit or explicit understanding (religion and/or national socialism)
Then and only then will you conquer nihilism
Read the Torah
>reads philosophy
>doesn't accomplish anything else than fricking his brain
>"how do I unfrick my brain now please help"
lmao, that's why I read only Stephen King
Reading Schopenhauer should stop you from indulging in the more superficial kinds of pessimism a la Benatar. Read Wagner's explication of Schopenhauer's philosophy in pic related. It was one of the biggest influences on Nietzsche, especially on The Birth of Tragedy, and directed him towards Dionysian philosophy.
>Everything depends on facing the truth, even if it is unpleasant. What about myself in relation to Schopenhauer’s philosophy—when I was completely Greek, an optimist? But I made the difficult admission, and from this act of resignation emerged ten times stronger.
t. Wagner
Take the ultimate whitepill Anon
Warning: you will have to understand at least a little of what Kant was on about first
The "final boss" thing about Hegel(and Heidegger) is that the never left an Ethics book(a lamentation that was voiced even when he was alive). You need to figure out his Ethics on your own and when you do actual dialectical praxis(not in any way in the marxist way) is at your hand.
Unironically Guenon and Evola (then the Bible)
Read Camus the myth of sisyphus, not the end of this branch of philosophy, but I believe he gives a satisfying answer and at least a practical way to enjoy life again. It brought me to tears the same way the world as will and representation did.
Or read essay on women, I guess it will make him look more goofy, while some of this essay might be part right, I think it reveals much more about the psychology of the character.
If living knowing you'll die is so bad, then shouldn't you look forward to dying?
>Everything now seems like pointless striving to appease the will
That's because it is. The real question is why do you care?
If the meaning of life is striving to appease the will then so be it. Strive to appease the will.
Just read the literature on NDEs. They will make you realize that the afterlife is real and that life has meaning and everything is wonderful.
>b-b-but NDEs are dreams or hallucinations somehow
Already explicitly refuted in the literature you likely have not read on NDEs. As one NDE researcher said that he does not know anyone who has read the literature on NDEs who has not been convinced by it, and the book in pic related is known to convince even hardened skeptics that there is an afterlife.
And NDEs are more real than this world, in every way. For example, they are more consistent experiences, illustrated well by this quote:
>"For me, life is sort of like the haunted house. When you come in, you know it's just an experience. It's small, it's just one night, right? So it's just this one life. You're eternal, you have billions of lives, so knowing that you're going to come in just for one to have an experience, though it may be judged as tough, or difficult, or scary, you actually chose it because you knew it was just going to be an experience, you know it's no big deal. You understand on the other side that this part, life, is actually the dream, and you just wake up after. It's no different than one dream you had last night, out of a lifetime of dreams. This life that you're having right now is just one, it's just a blip."
So just like life is more consistent than our dreams (dreams last a few moments, life has been the same for decades), so too is the NDE reality more consistent than life (life has been the same for decades, the NDE reality has been the same for forever, for way more than trillions of years). Here this point is elaborated more on:
And it is instantly evident to NDErs that heaven is real too, even atheists:
>"It's real to us when we're in it, but once I was there in heaven I realized that's more real, that felt more real, and it made much more sense to me than anything here. This is kind of nonsensical at times. In heaven, it's so clear, so real, so rational, so logical, but yet emotional and loving at the same time. Immediately I knew that was real and this was not. Immediately."
From https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist
So heaven is undeniably real.
>tripping out on dmt so hard you convince yourself the afterlife is a certainty
NDE as a supernatural phenomena is moronic and has already been explained away
Do I need to finish Kant for Schopenhauer to make sense?
You're contextualizing things within the metaphysical framework dreamed up by a beaten down and social ostracized old man.
"material reality is all meaningless" yes, so what? The true nature of material reality doesn't concern you, it's well beyond the scope of what you can even conceive of let alone understand. What "you" are is a story and the "will" is (beyond Schopenhauer's own universal metaphysics which are for the record, wrong) just the affirmation of that particular fable. So chose what ever it is you want to believe in, write it in a notebook or something you can get one from Target.
>write it in a notebook or something you can get one from Target.
This but unironically.
OP, you need to write more, not read more. People keep coming to this place asking for more books to solve all their problems, when the best case they'll achieve reading all of them is generating a bunch of new questions and doubts that need addressing within themselves.
Start writing about what you think about stuff. There's a reason therapists tell miserable people to keep diaries, they provoke deliberate introspection and reveal the fullest extent of the writer's current ability to understand himself and the questions he wants answers to.
The Sickness Unto Death
What is it about the words of one book author change you so much?
Personal experience of loss of optimism: it's being uncomfortable in your own skin. You start to realize how much less you accomplish than you think in your lifetime and you start to hate yourself because you couldn't be independent and provide everything to people you love. You realize your life is limited by your salary and how your life depends in your salary and thus your job and you realize you're enslaved by other humans. You realize how you're rather the underdog and even with family and wife or husband, you realize you're a slave to no one but your employer. And in many cases, people hate themselves for this and start to justify their depression as being the correct reaction to the situation you put yourself in. I have seen it so many times, you either quit or just enjoy the job.
You realize, you aren't a model, you aren't a notable sportsman, you aren't a terrific surgeon, you're not the president, you aren't a billion-dollar entrepreneur and to quote Fight Club "...and we're very, very pissed off".
However, have you think about your accomplishments for today? Aren't it an honor to be a kind and considerate person? Have you ever thought that "so what if nobody cares?" Isn't it important for you to know thyself, and ask if you would date yourself? If you look at yourself from a third-person perspective would you like him or her?
Life is simple. It's us who made it complicated by choosing not to own our faults, the kind of responsibility that can humble world leaders.
Read Hegel.
Read the Baghavad Gita
Kierkegaard.
If you find the religious life to be cope, embrace the aesthetic one.
>Neetchud is the #yolo philosopher
The greatest compliment.
Read Hegel.
Arthur felt so much pain in life because he was a loser with no ambition and gave himself no purpose or goals in life. He just sat around thinking and writing and continuing to think till he became a miserable little b***h with no interest in pursing purpose anymore. Everything he said was fact because that was geniunly what he felt and lived through and chose for himself.
If you read Arthur and you relate to him and then obviously what he is saying is true for you as well because you're just like him. If you want to break free and NOT be like him then don't be a little b***h, constantly break your limits and give yourself goals and purpose to constantly strive towards and create new horizons for yourself.
Im going to say it once more, Everything schopenhauer said was fact and true because he himself lived that b***h life and if it may be true for you as well. It's time to give yourself purpose and move on from that pathetic life style and your truths and facts will change as you change as you do as a person.
>you're just like him.
Except he was rich famous and accomplished and didn't have to work a day in his life.
>it’s tru 4u
Brainlet take
>never read a single word by or about this man but pretends he knows shit
>knows the motherfricker's name and importance but pretends he ain't shit
A quintessentially philisteen post
you are not your mind, a part is only a part of you, a tool of your organism, i.e. just shut the frick up and go drinking with friends or to psychotherapy.
The greatest refutation of pessimism is that there are people out there who live genuinely happy lives
Nope
Heidegger. He won't make you "happier" but rather more okay with not being happy.
>better to never have been by Pat Benatar
oh my god it even has a watermark
Stop reading philosophers for the "feels". Sure you can read Nietzsche for the ego boost that it gives millions who don't really take seriously the works of a very sad, lonely, elitist, and demanding man who repudiates "happiness" as a goal. Or read Epicurus and be guided toward it, which also flies in the face of common conceptions of "happiness".
Philosophy is not by or for people who just want the good feels. If you want that, there's no end to the amount of "worldly wisdom" being thrown at you.