>/sffg/
Literal anime trannies, a few /tg/ oldgays who only read scifi/fantasy, and some weird obsessive spammers and shills
>/wg/
Literal anime trannies talking about their "MCs" and "magic systems," originally started as the official thread of a discord channel (note I didn't say the other way around)
>/cgl/
People studying classical languages, helpful for specific questions but generally low quality discourse and a few literal trannies and recurring arguments over LLPSI (with all the trannies taking the pro-LLPSI side)
>Will I lose out on anything if I ignore them?
Never, ever, FOMO on IQfy generals
Wasted years of my life reading the posts of others because once in a while there'd be a quality posts or a good spell of shitposting and I wanted to be in on the jokes.
Read more books, make more friends, don't waste your life with those sort of threads.
That’s another thing; the number of participants dwindle rapidly every week or even day. There needs to be a huge group that starts for there to be productive threads towards the end. Definitely not going to get a huge group of readers here, let alone get them to read the same book
9 months ago
Anonymous
The problem is that someone who understands the book needs to lead discussion, insure discussion offers something worthwhile. And they have to do it without forcing their own views onto the group, guide the discussion but not control the discussion. It is time consuming and thankless.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah. Can’t have the blind leading the blind. Facilitators are needed or the thread risks devolving into mere opinion giving, “I liked this character, he was based”. It would need a commitment too, you can’t just come here once a week. You have to know the book well, have a discussion guide of sorts, and put in time here every day. If the group fails it would probably be demoralizing
9 months ago
Jon Kolner
I would do that with Swann's Way because I have the time and also I read it several times already but I didn't think anyone would take the thread seriously and discussions would peter out because I don't have great skills at initiating conversation and debate outside of low quality prodding and trolling so it wouldnt go any place.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I’m not sure if that would be a great book because a lot of the intricacies don’t reveal themselves until more of the book is read. A lot of character development happens over the long haul and are minute when individual passages are scrutinized. For example there is lots of foreshadowing of the narrator’s relationship with Albertine and a first time reader wouldn’t pick up on them, or if they did, it wouldn’t mean much.
9 months ago
Jon Kolner
Yeah, I feel the same way. Even basic stuff like the gossipy ladies speculating that de Charlus is sleeping with Mlle Swann wouldn't make sense without better understanding of the characters. Lots of minor satellite characters to more important characters are mentioned in the Overture in passing as well which would make it more difficult to appreciate.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah. I’m rereading it now and I’ve made some posts about it recently but I think it can only fully be appreciated when viewed as a whole. The book mimics real life in a way and does a great job at showing the effects of memory, and how it affects our judgment. It is tedious in parts and none of the individual parts is as magnificent as the whole. Once you’re able to look back over the whole canvas, then you can truly appreciate it, and what Proust was doing. I’ve also made a few posts in recent weeks that a theme I’m very interested in is the artist and art. What is art? Why does the artist create? What is the relationship between the artist and art, or the artist and society? I think Proust is a prime example of the battle of the internal vs the external, and the creative endeavor that comes out of the artist’s internal. Proust basically wrote his life in a book. Living art. I feel I didn’t phrase my point well, 11 hour shift and all, and I can’t be bothered to edit or reword my post
9 months ago
Jon Kolner
Hey, I spoke to you in the last thread. I remember you mentioning internal and external. The brief literary excursus early on about how fiction is even better at inciting emotions than real life is a good demonstration of the point you made. The one where he first mentions Bergotte.
9 months ago
Anonymous
It’s sounds bizarre but I’ve always thought fiction is often more true than reality. Songs and literature often evoke something like love more than love can ever be known through reality. It’s kinda like the thing-in-itself. Everyday life is often dull and mundane but becomes beautiful and artful in the written word. Life would be on the brink of meaninglessness without art.
Speaking of Bergotte, his death and that painting was sublime. Proust probably held Bergotte’s final words and realization close to his heart
9 months ago
Anonymous
Not him, but the writer has an easier time being fully honest about such topics in fiction. I am having exactly that type of issue writing non-fiction right now.
9 months ago
Anonymous
The daily thing is a bad idea and part of the issue, it needs to be well scheduled and the group needs to stick to the schedule so everyone is working from the same information in discussion. You cannot have the threads be people discussi g what ever part they are currently reading it has to be what everyone read that week.
9 months ago
Anonymous
True. I’ve always felt short stories would be particularly good for a reading group. I don’t think you can deviate from the everyday thing too much though. A compromise would be like 10-20 pages a day with 1 or 2 break days.
9 months ago
Jon Kolner
There was a short story general where they read a different one each day. I dont know how long it lasted.
9 months ago
Anonymous
I’ll try making a thread in the near future to see if anons are interested if no one wants to make it first. They have to be like 5-20 pages though. Anons would put forth their recs and provide the story, either a link or a bunch of screenshots
9 months ago
Jon Kolner
The other general a long time ago had months of reading planned with writers like Poe and Boccaccio. I dont think it even lasted a week. lmao
9 months ago
Anonymous
If something like this is tried, anons have to put effort in. Lead by example. It’s easy to say “why bother?” during these dark times of IQfy. Anons would need to engage in good faith too
9 months ago
Anonymous
You might try PKD's Voices from the Street short story collection.
Yes, once in a while. Someone did Homer a while back. Moby Dick before that. There is nothing stopping you. Make sure that it is popular enough, advertise ahead of time, then launch the thread on time and manage it a bit.
Wow so they are doing historically accurate version of Hitler now? wow so the media is finally now 99% corrupt as opposed to 100% now? wowie! the truth must be known. here is more accurate depictions.
>/sffg/
Literal anime trannies, a few /tg/ oldgays who only read scifi/fantasy, and some weird obsessive spammers and shills
>/wg/
Literal anime trannies talking about their "MCs" and "magic systems," originally started as the official thread of a discord channel (note I didn't say the other way around)
>/cgl/
People studying classical languages, helpful for specific questions but generally low quality discourse and a few literal trannies and recurring arguments over LLPSI (with all the trannies taking the pro-LLPSI side)
rent free
>CLG can have some interesting discussions. I don't pay attention to the other ones.
>Will I lose out on anything if I ignore them?
Never, ever, FOMO on IQfy generals
Wasted years of my life reading the posts of others because once in a while there'd be a quality posts or a good spell of shitposting and I wanted to be in on the jokes.
Read more books, make more friends, don't waste your life with those sort of threads.
Well take a cursory look at any of them and then ask yourself that question.
I think there should be a team effort to get more generals going on IQfy.
I remember a Spanish general from a few years back, what happened?
Basically stack threads in spanish and those threads can't survive if the posters are too poor to buy books.
a there a reading group general? where they pick a book to read and discuss every day/week
No. This board doesn’t actually read for the most part. The most recent read alongs were poor choices too with not much to actually discuss
There was a Dante thread which got like four threads. lmao
That’s another thing; the number of participants dwindle rapidly every week or even day. There needs to be a huge group that starts for there to be productive threads towards the end. Definitely not going to get a huge group of readers here, let alone get them to read the same book
The problem is that someone who understands the book needs to lead discussion, insure discussion offers something worthwhile. And they have to do it without forcing their own views onto the group, guide the discussion but not control the discussion. It is time consuming and thankless.
Yeah. Can’t have the blind leading the blind. Facilitators are needed or the thread risks devolving into mere opinion giving, “I liked this character, he was based”. It would need a commitment too, you can’t just come here once a week. You have to know the book well, have a discussion guide of sorts, and put in time here every day. If the group fails it would probably be demoralizing
I would do that with Swann's Way because I have the time and also I read it several times already but I didn't think anyone would take the thread seriously and discussions would peter out because I don't have great skills at initiating conversation and debate outside of low quality prodding and trolling so it wouldnt go any place.
I’m not sure if that would be a great book because a lot of the intricacies don’t reveal themselves until more of the book is read. A lot of character development happens over the long haul and are minute when individual passages are scrutinized. For example there is lots of foreshadowing of the narrator’s relationship with Albertine and a first time reader wouldn’t pick up on them, or if they did, it wouldn’t mean much.
Yeah, I feel the same way. Even basic stuff like the gossipy ladies speculating that de Charlus is sleeping with Mlle Swann wouldn't make sense without better understanding of the characters. Lots of minor satellite characters to more important characters are mentioned in the Overture in passing as well which would make it more difficult to appreciate.
Yeah. I’m rereading it now and I’ve made some posts about it recently but I think it can only fully be appreciated when viewed as a whole. The book mimics real life in a way and does a great job at showing the effects of memory, and how it affects our judgment. It is tedious in parts and none of the individual parts is as magnificent as the whole. Once you’re able to look back over the whole canvas, then you can truly appreciate it, and what Proust was doing. I’ve also made a few posts in recent weeks that a theme I’m very interested in is the artist and art. What is art? Why does the artist create? What is the relationship between the artist and art, or the artist and society? I think Proust is a prime example of the battle of the internal vs the external, and the creative endeavor that comes out of the artist’s internal. Proust basically wrote his life in a book. Living art. I feel I didn’t phrase my point well, 11 hour shift and all, and I can’t be bothered to edit or reword my post
Hey, I spoke to you in the last thread. I remember you mentioning internal and external. The brief literary excursus early on about how fiction is even better at inciting emotions than real life is a good demonstration of the point you made. The one where he first mentions Bergotte.
It’s sounds bizarre but I’ve always thought fiction is often more true than reality. Songs and literature often evoke something like love more than love can ever be known through reality. It’s kinda like the thing-in-itself. Everyday life is often dull and mundane but becomes beautiful and artful in the written word. Life would be on the brink of meaninglessness without art.
Speaking of Bergotte, his death and that painting was sublime. Proust probably held Bergotte’s final words and realization close to his heart
Not him, but the writer has an easier time being fully honest about such topics in fiction. I am having exactly that type of issue writing non-fiction right now.
The daily thing is a bad idea and part of the issue, it needs to be well scheduled and the group needs to stick to the schedule so everyone is working from the same information in discussion. You cannot have the threads be people discussi g what ever part they are currently reading it has to be what everyone read that week.
True. I’ve always felt short stories would be particularly good for a reading group. I don’t think you can deviate from the everyday thing too much though. A compromise would be like 10-20 pages a day with 1 or 2 break days.
There was a short story general where they read a different one each day. I dont know how long it lasted.
I’ll try making a thread in the near future to see if anons are interested if no one wants to make it first. They have to be like 5-20 pages though. Anons would put forth their recs and provide the story, either a link or a bunch of screenshots
The other general a long time ago had months of reading planned with writers like Poe and Boccaccio. I dont think it even lasted a week. lmao
If something like this is tried, anons have to put effort in. Lead by example. It’s easy to say “why bother?” during these dark times of IQfy. Anons would need to engage in good faith too
You might try PKD's Voices from the Street short story collection.
Yes, once in a while. Someone did Homer a while back. Moby Dick before that. There is nothing stopping you. Make sure that it is popular enough, advertise ahead of time, then launch the thread on time and manage it a bit.
Wow so they are doing historically accurate version of Hitler now? wow so the media is finally now 99% corrupt as opposed to 100% now? wowie! the truth must be known. here is more accurate depictions.
Idk what do you mean by historically accurate. That's johnny hitler.