I'm not exaggerating but I think american style suburbs probably do more harm than cities. At least in theory a city could survive without heavy air polluters, it'd just be very uncomfortable. American suburbs are nearly impossible to decrease this and I'm not even going from the le cars bad angle
>I'm not exaggerating but I think american style suburbs probably do more harm than cities.
Well your thoughts are wrong, as cities produce 80% of greenhouse emissions
Ni why do you think they are called suburbs? Usually suburbs do have their own name. They just say "suburb of insert city name" because they know nobody knows "suburb name" but everybody has heard of "big city name"
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Ni why do you think they are called suburbs?
Because they're a sub-urban section of the city of XYZ?
>American suburbs are nearly impossible to decrease this and I'm not even going from the le cars bad angle
I live in a suburb and there are plenty of services within walking distance to me, shopping centers, public parks et al
I notice most people who decry suburbs usually don't even live in them anyways, your opinions mean nothing to me
>I live in a suburb and there are plenty of services within walking distance to me, shopping centers, public parks et al
and most suburbs outside of Europe are not like that.
>and most suburbs outside of Europe are not like that.
But I live in the USA, plenty of services are within comfortable walking distance to my house
2 months ago
Anonymous
That's an anecdote anon
2 months ago
Anonymous
My experience is not the exception. Most people, including real estate developers, like having services nearby, and most suburban developments do have services nearby. I don't really understand why you insist on talking about something you have no experience with
2 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't really understand why you insist on talking about something you have no experience with
I do actually. For example one city I worked in had suburbs that had bus lines. The issue is that the city kept reputing the lines and that any winter snow coming in made transit from the suburbs both near and far to have drastically increased transit times.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Thats an even bigger anecdote than my statement anon. Most Americans don't even live in snowy regions. Most suburbs have wallkable access to many different services. You're projecting your shallow world view onto the entire country
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Most Americans don't even live in snowy regions
Yet when light snow comes in entire city transit structures collapse even if previous snow events have occurred. No city wants to spend money to prepare for shit.
>hey could easily become agrarian estates.
A lot of them already are. I live in a suburb thats a 20 minute drive from my cities core and some of my neighbors yards are basically like little farms where they grow tomatos and potatos. You basically get the best of both the countryside and the city
>some of my neighbors yards are basically like little farms where they grow tomatos and potatos. You basically get the best of both the countryside and the city
That's not even large scale farming
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Yet when light snow comes in entire city transit structures collapse even if previous snow events have occurred. No city wants to spend money to prepare for shit.
Well I don't live in a snowy region so I can't say I feel your pain.
2 months ago
Anonymous
That's the point. Snow does occasionally fall in non-snowy areas and shit gets fricked.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Snow does occasionally fall in non-snowy areas
No it doesn't, that's not how that works. Snow will almost certainly never fall over Southern California or Florida for example, and if it does it'll be considered a complete anomoly. Most Americans just don't live in snowy regions
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Most suburbs
you're going to have to back up that "most" with some data
2 months ago
Anonymous
Why are you so disingenuous? Most people like having convenience nearby, suburbs or not, its a selling point for real estate developers as much as it is a reason for someone to move into a neighborhood. Nobody would ever want to move to a suburb where the closest grocery store is a 2 hour walk from them, most suburbs aren't like that despite what you might've been told on Reddit
2 months ago
Anonymous
People don't move to the suburbs to walk. Not if they understand what they're getting into.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>I walk an hour to get to Wal-Mart
2 months ago
Anonymous
>let me tell you about your neighborhood
15 minutes max
2 months ago
Anonymous
you either:
1. live in a suburb built before 1950
2. live in Europe
2 months ago
Anonymous
>1. live in a suburb built before 1950
My houise was built in the early 1970s >>2. live in Europe
I live in California
This really is an impossible concept for you to fathom isn't it? You are not an intelligent person
2 months ago
Anonymous
Then you are in a statistically improbable situation or a relatively dense suburb near a city.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Then you are in a statistically improbable situation
My situation is far from exceptional anon, get over it
2 months ago
Anonymous
Show me data proving that, then.
2 months ago
Anonymous
okay
2 months ago
Anonymous
this has no relation to your neighborhood's walkability
2 months ago
Anonymous
Clearly walkability isn't as big of an issue in the United States as you think it is anon
2 months ago
Anonymous
this doesn't even mention mode of transportation you dingus
2 months ago
Anonymous
Its not moving the goalpost. You asserted (with no evidence) that you must live in Europe to live in a walkable suburb, which is clearly not the case. You're really bad at this
2 months ago
Anonymous
the graph you posted has no relation to the argument you're trying to make. you are an idiot.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>average commute times have no relation to walkability
Simply admitting you lost the argument would be less embarrasing you know?
2 months ago
Anonymous
>korea
what the frick
2 months ago
Anonymous
Countries that love trains like Japan, China and Korea tend to have longer commute times.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Whats statistically improbable is thinking everyone in America lives in a snowy area an hours walk from Walmart
>American suburbs are nearly impossible to decrease this and I'm not even going from the le cars bad angle
I live in a suburb and there are plenty of services within walking distance to me, shopping centers, public parks et al
I notice most people who decry suburbs usually don't even live in them anyways, your opinions mean nothing to me
I'm mostly talking about Levittowns which I had the displeasure of living in one growing up. Suburbs in themselves aren't awful, but my God the rows upon rows upon rows of one's which I was stuck growing up in made every trip I had to take 10 times worse than it needed to be. The nearest non-house wasn't even a grocer (I'm not saying what it was because it's a regional niche)
>Levittown
I will admit I have no experience with these types of developments, but most American suburbs are in fact not like those. You usually find Levittowns in places like the Southwest. Completely different from most suburbs you'll find in places like California or the east coast.
American suburbs are more like pre-civilization farming communities in practice save for economically, they could easily become agrarian estates.
However cities must be destroyed.
You are just mad because suburbs are White and cities are not.
Seethe. White people are the only race which not only does the least damage but actually attempts to reverse damage.
>You are just mad because suburbs are White and cities are not.
Wrong again. Population movement has reversed in the past decade(s). Now suburbs have notably more minorities and city centers have become more diverse with the influx of Whites and minorities moving back into the core.
>hey could easily become agrarian estates.
A lot of them already are. I live in a suburb thats a 20 minute drive from my cities core and some of my neighbors yards are basically like little farms where they grow tomatos and potatos. You basically get the best of both the countryside and the city
>higher temperatures >higher UV radiation >higher CO2 concentration
are we to expect some violently lush plant species to evolve into this niche any soon?
I'm not exaggerating but I think american style suburbs probably do more harm than cities. At least in theory a city could survive without heavy air polluters, it'd just be very uncomfortable. American suburbs are nearly impossible to decrease this and I'm not even going from the le cars bad angle
>I'm not exaggerating but I think american style suburbs probably do more harm than cities.
Well your thoughts are wrong, as cities produce 80% of greenhouse emissions
Are suburbs not counted as part of cities?
Ni why do you think they are called suburbs? Usually suburbs do have their own name. They just say "suburb of insert city name" because they know nobody knows "suburb name" but everybody has heard of "big city name"
>Ni why do you think they are called suburbs?
Because they're a sub-urban section of the city of XYZ?
Suburbanites go to the city to pollute there. Local urbanites don't rely on vehicles to the same degree.
Kys /n/igger, return to your containment board. You will never be a man
Nuking the cities eliminates both citygay excess and the need to drive to cities, reducing the carbon footprint of suburbs
Cities are the reason economies actually work.
>I live in a suburb and there are plenty of services within walking distance to me, shopping centers, public parks et al
and most suburbs outside of Europe are not like that.
>and most suburbs outside of Europe are not like that.
But I live in the USA, plenty of services are within comfortable walking distance to my house
That's an anecdote anon
My experience is not the exception. Most people, including real estate developers, like having services nearby, and most suburban developments do have services nearby. I don't really understand why you insist on talking about something you have no experience with
>I don't really understand why you insist on talking about something you have no experience with
I do actually. For example one city I worked in had suburbs that had bus lines. The issue is that the city kept reputing the lines and that any winter snow coming in made transit from the suburbs both near and far to have drastically increased transit times.
Thats an even bigger anecdote than my statement anon. Most Americans don't even live in snowy regions. Most suburbs have wallkable access to many different services. You're projecting your shallow world view onto the entire country
>Most Americans don't even live in snowy regions
Yet when light snow comes in entire city transit structures collapse even if previous snow events have occurred. No city wants to spend money to prepare for shit.
>some of my neighbors yards are basically like little farms where they grow tomatos and potatos. You basically get the best of both the countryside and the city
That's not even large scale farming
>Yet when light snow comes in entire city transit structures collapse even if previous snow events have occurred. No city wants to spend money to prepare for shit.
Well I don't live in a snowy region so I can't say I feel your pain.
That's the point. Snow does occasionally fall in non-snowy areas and shit gets fricked.
>Snow does occasionally fall in non-snowy areas
No it doesn't, that's not how that works. Snow will almost certainly never fall over Southern California or Florida for example, and if it does it'll be considered a complete anomoly. Most Americans just don't live in snowy regions
>Most suburbs
you're going to have to back up that "most" with some data
Why are you so disingenuous? Most people like having convenience nearby, suburbs or not, its a selling point for real estate developers as much as it is a reason for someone to move into a neighborhood. Nobody would ever want to move to a suburb where the closest grocery store is a 2 hour walk from them, most suburbs aren't like that despite what you might've been told on Reddit
People don't move to the suburbs to walk. Not if they understand what they're getting into.
>I walk an hour to get to Wal-Mart
>let me tell you about your neighborhood
15 minutes max
you either:
1. live in a suburb built before 1950
2. live in Europe
>1. live in a suburb built before 1950
My houise was built in the early 1970s
>>2. live in Europe
I live in California
This really is an impossible concept for you to fathom isn't it? You are not an intelligent person
Then you are in a statistically improbable situation or a relatively dense suburb near a city.
>Then you are in a statistically improbable situation
My situation is far from exceptional anon, get over it
Show me data proving that, then.
okay
this has no relation to your neighborhood's walkability
Clearly walkability isn't as big of an issue in the United States as you think it is anon
this doesn't even mention mode of transportation you dingus
Its not moving the goalpost. You asserted (with no evidence) that you must live in Europe to live in a walkable suburb, which is clearly not the case. You're really bad at this
the graph you posted has no relation to the argument you're trying to make. you are an idiot.
>average commute times have no relation to walkability
Simply admitting you lost the argument would be less embarrasing you know?
>korea
what the frick
Countries that love trains like Japan, China and Korea tend to have longer commute times.
Whats statistically improbable is thinking everyone in America lives in a snowy area an hours walk from Walmart
We need pol pot
>American suburbs are nearly impossible to decrease this and I'm not even going from the le cars bad angle
I live in a suburb and there are plenty of services within walking distance to me, shopping centers, public parks et al
I notice most people who decry suburbs usually don't even live in them anyways, your opinions mean nothing to me
I'm mostly talking about Levittowns which I had the displeasure of living in one growing up. Suburbs in themselves aren't awful, but my God the rows upon rows upon rows of one's which I was stuck growing up in made every trip I had to take 10 times worse than it needed to be. The nearest non-house wasn't even a grocer (I'm not saying what it was because it's a regional niche)
>Levittown
I will admit I have no experience with these types of developments, but most American suburbs are in fact not like those. You usually find Levittowns in places like the Southwest. Completely different from most suburbs you'll find in places like California or the east coast.
American suburbs are more like pre-civilization farming communities in practice save for economically, they could easily become agrarian estates.
However cities must be destroyed.
You are just mad because suburbs are White and cities are not.
Seethe. White people are the only race which not only does the least damage but actually attempts to reverse damage.
>You are just mad because suburbs are White and cities are not.
Wrong again. Population movement has reversed in the past decade(s). Now suburbs have notably more minorities and city centers have become more diverse with the influx of Whites and minorities moving back into the core.
>hey could easily become agrarian estates.
A lot of them already are. I live in a suburb thats a 20 minute drive from my cities core and some of my neighbors yards are basically like little farms where they grow tomatos and potatos. You basically get the best of both the countryside and the city
he's right and they hate it
Who produces more waste, 30,000 people or 5 million? It's simple math
>green imperialism thread
sage
>higher temperatures
>higher UV radiation
>higher CO2 concentration
are we to expect some violently lush plant species to evolve into this niche any soon?
Yes
Climate change is the eschatology of the atheist religion and they practice human sacrifice to avert it
Kill citoids. If per capita stats don't matter when nogs are involved they don't matter when it comes to climate either
No, but you should consider stopping to breathe.
It would help to prevent further anthropocenic climate change.