>I... find not more than six essentially different methods for combating the vehemence of an impulse. In the third place, we may deliberately give ourselves over to an unrestrained and unbounded gratification of the impulse in order that we may become disgusted with it, and to obtain by means of this very disgust a command over the impulse: provided, of course, that we do not imitate the rider who rides his horse to death and breaks his own neck in doing so. For this, unhappily, is generally the outcome of the application of this third method
sorry but now i'm just imagining nietzsche jerking off a dozen times in a row in order to experiment with methods of "combatting the vehemence of an impulse." his whole ouevre really is about trying to overcome onanism, isn't it?
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ellipsis was supposed to go before "in the third place"
I think it's a solid method though, sometimes I'll just engage in something until I'm burntout like videogames. I so far have always come back no more than a year later, though.
>we may deliberately give ourselves over to an unrestrained and unbounded gratification of the impulse in order that we may become disgusted with it, and to obtain by means of this very disgust a command over the impulse
This is an extreme cope from addicted people, "disgust" in yourself doesn't override a habitual vice. Willpower does.
>Willpower does.
if you get bored/sick of something the urge to do it is gone, no willpower required
Reminder this loser couldn't even control his own impulses, had no right to invent a moral structure he couldn't intact in his own life "superman complex" it's why libshit governments push you aside and abuse you while looking down on you. Nietzsche is a truly pathetic man and his life is more telling of why he had his seething beliefs than anything else he's a product of his own criticisms.
disgust is my willpower, dingus
Calling it a cope is an extreme cope from people with low intelligence. It's called burning out. You can destroy a desire by satiating it too fast and intensely, and it's in fact the best way to do so.
>You can destroy a desire by satiating it too fast and intensely
You really think binge drinking can cure alcoholism?
Sure, I've cured myself hundreds of times.
What's the desire you're trying to destroy with that?
This is true. Most junkies hate themselves and even "off" from time to time but always return
Nietzsche was probably thinking about somethin like getting blank out drunk but without being an alcoholic
>sorry but now i'm just imagining nietzsche jerking off a dozen times in a row in order to experiment with methods of "combatting the vehemence of an impulse." his whole ouevre really is about trying to overcome onanism, isn't it?
wagner clowned on him for onanism lol
what is willpower? and why do we only speak of it in a negative sense (e.g. self-control)? we also need willpower to do tough things
If you would actually read this passage from Dawn, he says this method is usually ass and will lead to failure. This is the “rock bottom” method a lot of drug users have to hit in order to either recover or die
Disgust with yourself is often a motivating force to committing to abandon a vice. But Nietzsche is wrong in that it requires an "unbounded gratification", or giving him. What it requires is first and foremost a sincere self-assessment.
>"disgust" in yourself doesn't override a habitual vice. Willpower does.
Your willpower is determined by your desires/drives. You can only ever will the one thing which you desire most in that moment of willing. The more you desire something over a competing desire the stronger and more available is the willpower to do it. If one desires a vice more than one desires to overcome it, it will be impossible to overcome by willpower alone.
A large part of Nietzsche's project was about finding ways to cultivate a strong desire to overcome oneself in such a zealous way that one wishes to will nothing else, and in doing so happily wills all the adversity and suffering that necessitates. Without cultivating this desire, one risks denying oneself and life itself via (in N's opinion) religion or by becoming the "last man" etc.
yeah this genuinely just doesn't work. the more you give in to an impulse, the more likely you are to continue to do it, whereas complete abstinence from an undesirably behavior makes it easier to abstain over time
To be fair, Nietzsche's disgust reflex was a lot stronger than in better-adjusted human beings. Maybe it really did work in his case.
that says more about you than Nietzsche
what vehement impulses were there in the 19th century? this always puzzles me about ascetic writings. with Plato I always imagine "desire" is the desire to go to symposiums and get drunk. but Nietzsche had no friends so he probably wasn't going to parties and he wasn't an alcoholic. the only other thing could be masturbation and brothels.
>what vehement impulses were there in the 19th century?
The same ones as there are today. You do realize that the Bible condemned the most basic ones as deadly sins thousands of years ago, right?
>The same ones as there are today.
fricking name then them
>You do realize that the Bible condemned the most basic ones as deadly sins thousands of years ago, right?
I dont think nietzsche had any vehement impulses to rape kill and steal or to not circumcise his son on the 8th day. envy and jealousy and shit aren't vehement impulses.
SO WHAT VEHEMENT IMPULSES WAS HE COMBATTING?
addiction to opium to numb the pain, dumb newbie
>fricking name then them
Pride, greed, wrath, envy, lust, gluttony, and sloth to start with.
>envy and jealousy and shit aren't vehement impulses.
They can be, and he could have been vehemently envious and jealous of Wagner, or vehemently prideful. In fact, he criticized Carlyle for assuming that great men are only great in their virtues and not also in their vices, and proposed an alternate conception of the great man: someone who is simultaneously great in both and never only great in one of the two, because they go hand in hand.
How exactly does he indulge those kind of “impulses” so that he becomes disgusted with them? Those are just vague universalities without an actual action attached to them.
i agree with neetzsche, why the frick anglosaxons are always hellbent with muh morality muh virtues, what a bunch of squareminded rigid pussies
Nietzsche was too much in pain to go to hotels and jerk off, moronic mutt
SMOKE THE WHOLE PACK, BOY
Is that his actual stache? How come I've never seen a modern man with as thich a moustache as that?
I'm no a gay but Nietzsche's mustache and glasses were pretty cute.
homosexual
Oh I've been doing this without knowing about it. Every once in a while I get in the mood for fastfood so I buy a shitton of McDonalds, soda and sweets, gorge myself until I feel sick and then I don't feel like touching anything for like 6 months.
Bros, I think I'm the ubermensch, and it's a rather lonely existence.
Why are all self-styled Ubermenschen so woefully deficient in the social graces?
If they're the next stage of evolution, then the human race will die out.
Same reason why most humans don't hang out with chimpanzees.
More likely you're just an butthole.
that legitemetly works. Masterbait 8 times (no porn) and you might be able to go a long time without it.