Its not because Q or nanobots or German stereotypes...
Why do a I hate systemd so much? Because it's a domain knowledge in and of itself. Prior to systemd, if you knew "unix" you could get by. General linux/unix knowledge does not help you with systemd. You have to know this one tool it's own crappy take on the world to do anything.
I've designed enough bad systems to know systemd is a bad user design. It's the sysadmin equivalent of C++. Somebody who cared too much about the details was empowered to design the interface. The last thing you want in an interface is actually structure and order.
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>I've designed enough bad systems to know systemd is a bad user design.
Based.
What is the best zero bloat distro?
Gentoo musl
What are the drawbacks of using musl? What if I want to compile something for others to run?
Somehow what you said made sense to me
>dinit
>runit
>s6
>openrc
Which way then?
runit works really quick on my potato laptop
Using dinit really now. Fastest and best init I could have
Init.d cam suck it, systemd is the best we have
I'm a normie using loonix, merely a consumer. In general I find the service format and syntax quite easy to work with.
I don't have strong opinion on systemd. Complaints about it seem to me on one hand very exaggerated, on the other - the surface area atack and its feature creep I don't like.
It just doesn't seem to me like a satan it is potraited as. Admittedly I'm still a n00b in loonix (barely 4 years), but it makes me wonder:
What exactly do I miss? Is it just bloat and feature creep? Or is there something else in design that is really bad?
Just trying to understand the old-timers complaining about it so much.
*the attack surface area
Just read about his vision for linux
https://0pointer.net/blog/fitting-everything-together.html
>Critics of systemd contend that it suffers from mission creep and bloat, the latter affecting other software (such as the GNOME desktop), adding dependencies on systemd, reducing its compatibility with other Unix-like operating systems and making it difficult for sysadmins to integrate alternative solutions. In addition, they contend that the complexity of systemd results in a larger attack surface, reducing the overall security of the platform.[14] Concerns have also been raised about Red Hat and its parent company IBM controlling the scene of init systems on Linux.[15][1]
>In September 2016, a security bug was discovered that allowed any unprivileged user to perform a denial-of-service attack against systemd.[33] Rich Felker, developer of musl, stated that this bug reveals a major "system development design flaw".[34] In 2017 another security bug was discovered in systemd, CVE-2017-9445, which "allows disruption of service" by a "malicious DNS server".[35][36] Later in 2017, the Pwnie Awards gave author Lennart Poettering a "lamest vendor response" award due to his handling of the vulnerabilities.[37]
The least unhinged anti-SystemD post I've seen to date.
There's nothing unhinged about disliking systemd, wanting to be able to modify your system without remote attestation saying you're out of compliance is not crazy.
it works on my machine
>The last thing you want in an interface is actually structure and order.
Please explain.
I dislike the feature creep, but use systemd anyway since the alternative is shell init scripts
>WHAAAA WHAAAAA WHAAAAA I DON'T WANT TO LEARN MUH UNIXES MY UNISEX MUH LINUX MUH UNEX
>I DON'T WANT TO LEARN SOMETHING NEW I DON'T WANT TO
How the frick do you put food in your mouth OP? Every little shitty application on Linux requires it's own little shitty tools. SystemD is not the only application and if you don't like it don't use it.
Sysvinit is easy to understand, and I never noticed any delay compared to systemd on startup so why would I want this monolithic bullcrap that infects the whole system? FFS when will people realize it's a moronic design? It's somehow involved in the XZ backdoor even because openssh notifies systemd so it depends on it and systemd depends on the backdoored library. What the actual frick, this is some Windows level bullshit. I haven't tried other init systems (runit etc), because I never felt the need, but having read their wiki pages, they seem very sane and I may someday try them out. For now, Devuan with default sysvinit works too smoothly to bother changing. Linux with SystemD to me feels way closer to MacOS than any other nix I've tried.
>this is some Windows level bullshit.
no that's just linux and there are a lot more of the kind of applications on your system