I am exceptionally good at seducing women with my words.
How do I turn this into a literary career?
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I am exceptionally good at seducing women with my words. How do I turn this into a literary career?
write a pick up artist manual.
Too contrived I think
This sounds perfect! Any advice on this?
Sure. Give me the context.
A writing sanple of erotica?
Elaborate
Nevermind, you're dumb as shit.
I haven't slept for a while
Well recently I convinced a christian girl to come and see me at 4am in a dress without any panties on. At the moment I have around seven other women on rotation and I have made all of them promise that they belong to me and only me, no matter the circumstances/even if they become seriously involved with someone else and they have all kept their promises. It's also even easier doing this in person so I don't do it as much, a lot of the thrill comes from the fact that they don't know what I look like but are too turned on to care.
Do you just say whatever it takes?
No, not really. It's more about instinctually knowing which segue to use and when and the flavour profile of your words.
e.g. A shy girl would not respond well to "I want you to touch yourself for me" but they will respond to "I want you lie down and pretend that your hands are mine"
yeah it does sound like you have a skill
anyways I hope you die in ww3 we don't need people like this running around
I don't plan on it. I am taking these girls and starting a breeding cult in a remote location. Want to come with me?
No I'd just end up being the splooge mopper
I wouldn't do you like that. I ain't greedy.
disgusting ugly bastard hentai behaviour.these are the people i share this board with?
can you do this via chat only without irl?
>they don't know what I look like
>convinced a christian girl to come and see me
Do both. Write tips for men and smut. But I will say you're not being very convincing in this thread that your skill can be learned, or that you even yourself fully understand why you're good at it.
I've read a bit female smut out of curiosity and seen some screenshots for Instagram and they go crazy for the sexy one liners, so don't give up on that goal. You can quickly go viral, and that's really all you need. Scan booktok for your target audience, but I'm not sure how you do that, because the algorithm is opaque. Some tropes. It'll be a bit unfocused I haven't properly slept in weeks
>romance smut, think of the classic rich guy falls in love with plain girl but this time there's sex
>fantasy smut, billionaire vampire falls in love with plain girl and also fricks her
>taboo smut, strange amount of monster porn
>the men are never interesting from our perspective, they hold all the cards in a way, they're rich, educated and etc. but from my reading most of them have the personality of a brick until it comes to the sex
>smut for men seems to focus way less on the seduction, usually the couple is already sexually attracted to each other, or the girl gets turned on by seeing his dick or abs, kinda like porn
>enemies to lovers, this one is huge, basically having a couple fall in love despite their best interests and efforts, women love this, think of it like a forbidden fruit
I'd suggest casting a wide ass net, and not focus on various fetishes.
This is like you're from a different world, why do you enjoy corrupting people?
First of all thank you so much for your in-depth reply. I appreciate this tremendously.
>enemies to lovers, this one is huge, basically having a couple fall in love despite their best interests and efforts, women love this, think of it like a forbidden fruit
This is mostly what I have been writing. Women's biggest fetish is taming something dangerous. Being an exception to that danger.
I was also thinking that some kind of amnesia element could be introduced e.g.
>Dangerous/homicidal/sociopathic man loses his memory and is then able to be "fixed" and moulded by the female MC but the sex scenes can be when he unleashes/remembers his ferocity.
I feel like I already wrote pretty much half the book already
>This is like you're from a different world, why do you enjoy corrupting people?
I think I just get bored very easily which leads me towards seeing where the outline is. It's pretty terrible and I want to stop and I figured writing about it instead would be a good way of doing that. I have never really thought about it as corruption before, but I do feel bad sometimes afterwards and I think that is evidence that you are correct.
What do you mean by "the algorithm is opaque"?
Shit just appears on your feed, because you gotta train it yourself. You can't just show up, like a few accounts or a topic and have your feed be that. For me it was local hooligans racing cars, then I was supposed to spend the next X days searching booktok so it starts appearing in my feed? No ty. It's opaque because nobody knows how it works, and you can only really guess at what you have to do to make it show certain stuff.
Interesting! Thank you! I bet some of my friends would be able to understand how to game the algorithm better than I could.
From my experience, they just kept telling me "yeah bro it just takes some time to get to know you". Those attracted to the platform started using it very early on, so they don't even remember what it was like when it wasn't completely custom. Maybe advertisers figured it out, but as a user, I really couldn't.
If you are really THAT good, why are you wasting your time and not scamming the frick out of people? You won't need to write a book.
>why are you wasting your time and not scamming the frick out of people?
I did that once and then I felt very guilty. I don't have the mettle for being a grifter.
That's a good way to get clapped or arrested.
We seriously need to rangeban India from IQfy
Running a groomcord doesn't mean you're a good writer or even a worthwhile cult leader anon.
Same. Most never saw what I look like either. My gf only saw me when we met IRL at her place
You have the kavorka anon
To make things more difficult, I have cerebral palsy and walk with a cane. I also gained quite a lot of weight during COVID. Met my GF in 2022, had a lot of options as well over the years
I fricking laugh at incel regards with pretty good looks who can't get a girl to even look at them
You have the makings of an exceptional contributor to literature
English isn't my first language Russian is, although I primarily consume English-based content and work at an international project so I mostly use English daily.
I really hope to improve my writing and want to try my hand at some short stories, though.
>Russian
>Short stories
Yeah duh! Get writing Dimitri
>A writing sanple of erotica?
A concrete example of your seduction skills - an anecdote. If you please.
>This sounds perfect! Any advice on this?
Dunno, try reading 50SoG series and whatever booktok girls call "spicy."
Good idea anon! I guess I should look up the schlock I am competing with.
Also did they get rid of the "unique poster" counter? Why would they do that?
You are definitely lying. Fricko
No
Irl is too easy
Yeah I was using a venture bros. avatar.
then just sell a crash course for 20$.morons these days buy sigma or whatever grindset to get pussy
No, the art of seduction should not have a price put on it. I disavow those grifters. I would much rather write books that will make women touch themselves while reading.
throw your discord or preferred messaging platform here
[email protected]
then write wattpad stories and build a following.isnt this type of romance shit more famous in girls?
I was thinking of using a pseudonym so that they think I'm a lady.
You get it, it's that fine line between treating them like a prostitute without ever making them feel like a prostitute.
>a writing sample of erotica
you’re DONE. FINISHED.
I have a question concerning a girl who I am dating: she is small, petite, agreeable girl who is very smart and intellectual at the same time. She likes being roughed up, called little and etc. but she also has a need for me to validate her intellectually and to affirm her dignity. I believe that the latter part hinders her from taking an extra step and being more submissive towards me. What I would like to ask are two thngs: how can I make her submit to me more trough talking alone and what kind of practices could you suggest that would build that kind of trust gradually? Concerning my motivation: I don't really do it out of hedonistic interests alone, I just want to build a very strong relationship with her.
>What I would like to ask are two thngs: how can I make her submit to me more trough talking alone and what kind of practices could you suggest that would build that kind of trust gradually?
Awesome! I can help with this.
I would suggest your normalise the phrases "I am so proud of you" and "good girl". Not only will this solidify you as a source of open admiration but it also has an authoritarian undertone that you can transpose into physical intimacy. Time it so that you whisper "good girl" into her ear right as she cums and then even in day-to-day situations there will exist an implicit sensual tether.
As for affirming her intellect and dignity the best way to do this would be by chposing one of her interests and then buying her something one skill level above her current capabilities. This will wordlessly express to her that you see her potential with clarity.
Hope this helps!
you cannot write what would you say to actually seduce a woman and the height of your "words" is "good girl" something that is a meme phrase that even 8 year olds hear
are you genuinely just a 12 year old? Nobody older needs to be told about the word "good girl? Go do your math homework you fricking toddler
all to end it with quora/reddit exlamation point
Thats probably why you still havent been able to write first person post that has been asked hours ago despite having video of exact answers to each of your questions. You are too young to be allowed into cafes lmao
not bad
what are you, 7 years old? You never before in your life heard phrase "good girl" beforehand?
His entire comment is a joke from every cartoon movie tv show song etc. You cannot be a living person without having heard his exact post before this day. Its not bad its the worst
you used chatGPT and just exchanged a few parts, no?
I doubted you at first but I’m starting to believe you.
Although anon already gave you a clear psychological analysis of the girl so he kinda did most of the work there.
Write "high brow" smut for women
gimme something to whisper to a sweetie
Tell her that if she was israeli you would make her into a soap bar so you could rub her all over yourself everyday. 6000000% satisfaction guaranteed.
Example?
do what he did
Script writing.
If you have not been married at least 3 times you are not exceptionally good at seducing women, just reasonably good at identifying women who are looking to get laid.
Does it count if the women are married?
Only if they are happily married and get them to leave their husband for you, otherwise they are just looking to get laid by someone other than their husband.
Read a hero of our time, then set it in the modern day with your experience.
Btw happy to trade some pointers with you guys in exchange for more information regarding quality erotica/writing smut. Or, you know, for free as well. I want you guys to do well!
I believe you because I used to do moderate horny sounding voice acting and get women to jerk off with me on voice chat. Women are aching for that kind of porn, where it doesn't feel like porn, especially ones who haven't had much sex or are ugly.
do you find the hard part is getting away when they want you to make a commitment? In the rare event I could say something to really make a woman want me, I know I will not want her as much over time. Do you have any guilt about any of that or is there a neat trick to ending things tidily where nobody is hurt
>do you find the hard part is getting away when they want you to make a commitment?
That is always the most difficult part and how I ended up with a small crowd of women. I have explicitly told them that I do not want anything serious and that there will never be anything serious but they just smile and say "i'm cool with that" but you can see in their eyes that they are making themselves believe that this is an endurance contest and what I have really said is "not yet"
>Do you have any guilt about any of that or is there a neat trick to ending things tidily where nobody is hurt
Tremendous guilt but then eventually I figured "What else can I do besides being honest?".
There is no clear cut escape route but there are gambits such as asking to define the relationship before they do, you can play harsh noise when they're over and say that you need it to concentrate, you can also just stop bathing for a while. But you know I haven't used a loophole in a longtime, these days I just say "Sorry I don't want to do this anymore, good luck!"
Also if you enjoy your alone time then I highly recommend setting up another space to hang out in while they sleep in your bed.
Maybe I am broken but my post-nut clarity manifests as a mild fight-or-flight response so I have another room where I can keep writing when this happens.
lmao anon you don't own them they own you.
Yes, the everything of the nothing. I have thought about this a lot.
Kek
The wages of sin anon.
You might be interested I watching this:
https://nicecrew.tv/w/xseehP8n9pzmxmE5C5CQv1
Are you able to give me the gist of it? It's 55mins and they are talking quite slow. I just want to know what I am in for at least
Many men complain about women being hypergamy enjoying bawds, but the proced is be the type of men that allow the to be bawds. Society is a frick and we all have to act in a way that unfricks society if we are ever going to see things change. Alpha widowing wahmen wrecks them for their future partern, and that fricks everyone because it fricks society.
She is based in the sense that she knows and openly says (on other videos) that women act moronic due to how emotional they get and that women have been submit to their husbands and obey them, and that men are supposed to be in charge of society as the natural order intends, but she has a blind spot about many men not being able to generate attraction in women (understandable because lower "sexual market" value men (not that they aren't valuable as human beings, but you get what I mean) are mostly invisible to women), so although she talks as if she is talking to all men, I fact her message only applies to those that are able to generate attraction in lots of women.
It's interesting.
Let's do a cyrano de bergerac thing. I'm tall and handsome but SUCK at talking.
Prisoner's dilemma. If you decide to cooperate you're just going to get defected on. You have to enforce mass cooperation (which should be the main role of the state but instead they do the opposite)
>Let's do a cyrano de bergerac thing.
So collectivised catfishing?
You are correct, but her point still stands, that making the choice to use your seduction skills stills fricks up women (even of its something they choose to indulge in, and even if most women are a absolute disgrace since the social contract has been violated and men aren't allowed to keep the in check anymore, like you noted), and it's a decision one makes himself. I get the "enjoy the decline" mindset, but at the end of the day it's the same mindset drug traffickers use to rationalize their wrongful ways ("If I don't sell or to them, someone else will").
My own personal choice to decide to stop engaging in the game of seduction (despite it taking 2 to play), is that it facilitates someone else's sinful behavior (I'm Christian btw) and it's sinful on my part too, and that's bad news when Judgement Day comes (I don't want to roast im eternal fire).
Please forgive my atrocious spelling.
So the reason not to do it is hell? Seems like a pretty abstracted consequence
Not the only reason, but the main one. The other reasons are: it's a socially destructive behavior (it damages women), it's a health hazard (stds and shiiiiet), and you are bound to come across some (more than usual) mentally unstable gril that ends up taking extreme action against herself or you which is no bueno.
So the solution is to be volcel unless the very rare opportunity to be in love presents itself?
That's a good way to describe what I decided to do. You mileage may vary fren.
That sounds hellish. What am I supposed to do with all of my sexual frustration and free time?
>free time
Plenty of stuff to do. Reading, drawing, learning new languages, learning how t play music, playing vydia, taking courses, try your hand at woodworking, etc, etc
>sexual frustration
Struggle against it (might not make sense for non-Christians).
I already play seven different instruments and can speak and read four different languages. I write at dawn every day and I run ttrpg sessions. If I stop having sex I will just be irritable and mean to everyone around me. Endlessly learning new skills seems comparable to jerking off which I also don't do.
Well, it's your life, only you can decide on what to do.
I know. I guess I just wanted there to be more to life but it seems as though there is less.
you're making a frick island bro thats gonna keep you busy
I don't understand were you like OP (engaging in hook-up culture and ONS) and then you found god?
I assume you are replying to OP, me the autistic anon that learned game I engaged in those types of things until due to the life circumstances I stopped doing them due to logistical impossibility, then got closer to God and decided to struggle against my sins and not do those things anymore. I am not OP.
No I was reaponding to you. What do you mean by logistical impossability?
Life circumstances didn't allowed me to be going out on dates and spending the night awake with chicks. Loife style became incompatible with that sort of stuff.
What kind of life circumstances?
None of your business.
Why so defensive?
Did your dick stop working or something so you had to find God?
No, your mother gave me the clap and then I gave it to your sister, homosexual.
I was sincerly asking
No problem, no offense intended, it's just that I don't want to share that, that's all. Hope you have a nice day fren.
Yeah, you too! I didn't mean to make you feel bad. Let me tell you, when your dick stops working that is some serious existential dread!
Lmao
Dick still works, it has nothing to do with dicks.
>but she has a blind spot about many men not being able to generate attraction in women (understandable because lower "sexual market" value men (not that they aren't valuable as human beings, but you get what I mean) are mostly invisible to women)
This much is true. I have to expend ridiculous amounts of energy getting girls to notice some of my frens.
What is left to do though?
Is the noble thing to turn my back on hypergamy although it benefits me?
> I have to expend ridiculous amounts of energy getting girls to notice some of my frens.
Being a person that grew up with some attractive qualities (sense of humor, good at listening) and some very unattractive ones (basically some assburgers traits), and later learning game to a pretty advanced level, I have known how it is to be on both sides of the attractive/unattractive spectrum (sometimes during the course of the same interaction lmao). Women very rarely get to understand that dynamic, even the more empathetic ones that are less solipsistic are blind to it probably because (this is my own personal speculation) because unattractive men are instinctually repulsive to them and thus putting themselves into those men shoes is emotionally painful for them (they get too uneasy/disgusted to be able to do it).
>Is the noble thing to turn my back on hypergamy although it benefits me?
At the end of the day only you can decide what to do. I would say yes, but you're the one responsible for your own actions, so it's up to you. Me personally I would only use seduction skills with the intention to make a gril attached to me if I was serious about being and staying with her (aka marriage). You Wil have t decide for yourself fren.
I hope you are doing well, Roosh.
roosh?
roosh is orthodox now
Not Roosh. Not an eceleb of any kind. Although I read his blog for a while.
You could write M4F audio scripts or make a visual novel/text game.
Very interesting pitches! Could you extrapolate on these options if you have any experience?
Open up a Patreon, start a thread on F95 or post on reddit. What are you still doing here, you could be making money already.
Thanks anon! I will do all of that except for the reddit part.
Use this skill to seduce and marry a doctor woman and have her pay for you to write whatever you want.
This is the best idea yet! Gonna do this and write erotica in the meantime. Why should gold diggers only be women?
If you have a question then just ask
OK, write exact words you'd say to complete stranger to "seduce" them
You walk out, see a girl sitting in cafe with her friend. Seduce her.
Use quotations in first person as if she was in front of you, play out the whole exchange using nothing but dialogue
Dont write anything that doesn't leave your mouth while speaking to her as that is indicator you are just another indian incel daydreaming.
>You walk out, see a girl
What kind of girl? Describe her. What is she wearing? Is she tall? Where is she looking most of the time? Is she paying attention to her friends or just being polite? What kind of cafe is it? What did she order? Did they just finish eating or are they waiting for their food? What do her friends look like? Where is she sitting?
Every woman has a different starting point. It is not my intention to be giving you such an unsatisfying answer but there is simply not enough information for me to structure a response in good faith. Paint me a picture and I will though. If you have a match and no clue what to say to them then I can help. But if you're looking for a step-by-step that doesn't exist - being good at this means that you have honed your instincts and insight.
Have you ever been in a fight?
You failed right away it's very impressive
Not a single word that could ever leave your mouth
I've seen indians who play your game on /adv/ they just ask for increasingly more obtuse details until they just admit
>I'd never speak to her
Have you ever been in a fight? You sound like such a coward pussy even thought of one terrifies you.
There's simply no option you've ever seduced anyone because as I've said, incel indians love daydreaming about sex but are unable to ever write how they'd get there just like you did. You couldn't have written anything at all. If you have ever done it, you'd be able to write step by step but as you admitted, it is impossible for you since you have no instinct to what could've been said and have no insight on the matter. You have no information about this subject so you cannot give a response.
You had such easy precise conceise post and you failed to respond in every possible way you just admitted you're another daydreaming incel. You couldnt have written a single word that would leave your mouth.
I bet you will just keep asking more moronic questions just like people on adv until you admit you'd never speak to anyone ever because you understand you are just indian begging for numbers
vid related, you a complete stranger go and write a full 2000 symbol post without ever writing anything other than words that leave your mouth to seduce this woman
I know exactly the type of a poster you are. You have never done it and cannot even imagine speaking. You're just a coward and a pussy addicted to porn that breaks when asked any specific.
Real human beings when they want to prove they spoke or something happen use quotations all the time. The fact you dont even know it shows you not only never seduced anyone but likely never spoken to someone IRL ever in your life. You're brain is poisoned by other incels who worship the stock phrases used by your cult.
>Have you ever been in a fight? You sound like such a coward pussy even thought of one terrifies you.
That's not why I asked
I asked for more details because you are asking me what I would say to a nameless, faceless, ambiguous nobody-girl and being good at seduction is about noticing and knitting together fine details.
How come you're so angry at indians? Do you live in Canada?
You got the video presented to you with exact answers to all of your questions and you still had to avoid writing anything. You made 2 posts admitting to your inability to speak to women. Are you gonna do a third one?
You asked for details to derail the subject because you never spoke to a woman and cannot even imagine seducting one. All you know is PUA slogans and 0 verbal communication, 0 ability to communicate with people and 0 ability to use words.
How come you act like such an indian incel? Are you canadian and emigrated there hoping its like porn where it instantly jump cuts to sex without speaking to one another? That would explain your inability to speak to people or use sentences.
So your idea of being a genius seducer is .... asking chatgpt to speak for you? This is your idea, you see women, take out a phone in front of them and read what Chatbot wrote for you? Why the frick did you are not any good with seducing using your words, these aren't even your words, it's just nothing
>So your idea of being a genius seducer is .... asking chatgpt to speak for you?
no, I wanted to illustrate that even chatgpt can easily go off your prompt and come up "something", unlike OP
nta but can't you just fill in the blanks with random stuff
>can't you just fill in the blanks with random stuff
No, not really. But I do want to help. In fact if you describe a girl you know or a situation you have been in personally then I could definitely think of something. It's just that at the moment it feels like I'm being asked to choose a page from the dictionary
>it feels like I'm being asked to choose a page from the dictionary
well it kind of is like that, we're not looking for a guide or help, but want to see you demonstrate your abilities
Hmmm I could post a transcript but that feels a little intrusive. Is this a matter of proof or knowledge?
no offense but talking to you feels like chatting with a customer support bot
I'm sorry you feel that way, would you like me to transfer you to another OP?
all indians are like that, they cannot speak or think for themselves they just know few stock phrases
that's why they love PUA so much, it has all these meme phrases to deter from actually writing what would they say since none of them ever spoke to a woman
if someone doesnt write precisly what would they say and offers their own written out records of their conversations, it's always sure proof way to learn they are just an indian incel who wants to daydream
Arlekins or articles using a pseydonym.
Lyrics for songs would also be cool.
Do you lie?
>Do you lie?
No, I believe everything that I say at the time that I am saying it.
>Arlekins or articles using a pseydonym.
Good idea. I was thinking about getting back into songwriting but I have already done that for a long stretch of time. But maybe I should give that a shot. I really like how songwriting is moving towards longer-narrative styles atm like with Mt.Eerie
>No, I believe everything that I say at the time that I am saying it.
Cool.
Write short lines of thought or speech as articles. Short-long, whatever you prefer.
Give us an example anon, if you want.
>Give us an example anon, if you want.
Okay I will write something on the walk home.
Οk cool.
I never could be like that because i am too stern but i see it.
>can you imagine... (huge wall of text)
>"No"
Are women even human?
Not every woman is like that.
Some have way too much imagination.
>can you imagine kissing so long that neither of us notices or knows how I ended up on the ground and you on top of me, almost like there is a scene missing from the movie?
Always thought this kind of breathy indie movie monologue prose is so effete. I don't know man, dudes like this act like they're on such a flex but you already have to be and look a certain way to sound like this.
You have to adapt and adjust accordingly like Pessoa with his heteronyms
Cringe.
This is so fricking cringe. No offense to you but only extremely online booktok women get slick for this. But a real seducer doesn’t need to write multiple paragraphs to make a woman swoon.
Sometimes I do lie but I always make sure that it's absurd
i appreciate the one anon trying to expose the op as a delusional larper, but it really should have been obvious to everyone from the outset that op's some kind of narcissist making shit up to waste everyone's time. intense "???? profit" idea guy energy in every single post
anons itt demanding
>write exactly what you’d say, her responses, word for word, etc
have clearly never spoken to another human being irl before. it’s simply not true that there is a series of magic words that will make a woman lust after you. game has always been about confidence, logistics, and numbers. the routines puas used to use and teach are just ways to give nervous men the confidence to lead the conversation and always have something to say.
Only reason men do anything is to get pussy. The only reason to become a great writer is to ultimately get access to pussy. Sounds like you already have pussy. So why bother with the extra steps? You already made it.