>It has so much potential! >I just have a feeling >No, I don't have enough money to actually buy one >But trust me, I have a knack for sniffing out and leveraging the next big thing that's why I don't have any disposable wealth
Opinion discarded
pic related. I don't feel like spoon feeding children so you tell me which tech it is. I will give you two clues tho.
It was predicted 12 years ago, they still got a year to go before this chart becomes inaccurate
Rightfully so. It always seemed like a tech demo more than anything.
Applel was the only one that could market that piece of shit at 3500$ and still thinking it would sell.
>seemed like a tech demo
Unfortunately this is true. They shouldn't have built up any hype at all till they got the software side of this fully developed. Now everyone who sees this will think poorly of it. Their best hopes now are that everyone will forget about it so they can re-release the exact same product but with cool software apps.
>It was predicted 12 years ago
Woah, kinda like star trek predicted cell phones and nicola tesla predicted wireless charging? no way!
If you're that guy constantly exclaiming you knew something was coming but just didn't have the $1000 to create the next billion dollar idea, you're a liar and stupid.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Prove me wrong then. Tell me what it is that Apple has missed. I've already given it to you. Just tell me what it is and prove to me you're capable of independent thought not an AI chatbot.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Prove me wrong then.
Prove you wrong on what? That you're looking back retroactively in your imagination thinking up shit that comes decades later?
Apple missed on plenty of their products, if you aren't aware of at least 4 of the major ones, you haven't done any digging. Their latest one is an AI self driving mini van that was just killed again.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Prove you wrong on what?
There is stuff that can be done with the Apple vision pro that would be huge. Maybe not life changing for every person sort of huge, but an important app/software that should have released at launch kind of huge. Nobody has done it yet and I don't believe anybody has even mentioned it yet, tho I'll admit I may have missed some murmurings on random threads somewhere. I can't bring myself to flat out tell you what it is because as a luddite I really want someone else to come up with the idea as I personally want nothing to do with it. I've given you all the hints and clues as to what it is. They're in this thread thread. Prove to me you're not an AI chatbot by telling coming up with the idea yourself (even tho it's technically already been posted)
Again, as a luddite I'm more than happy to sit on a smart idea for years or even decades and do nothing with it. I'm actually morbidly curious to see how long it'll take other people. Prove to me I'm not as smart and clever and smug as this post makes me appear by telling me what the clever idea is. Honestly, I want you to. Good luck.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>There is stuff that can be done with the Apple vision pro that would be huge >Nobody has done it yet >I can't bring myself to flat out tell you what it is because as a luddite >luddite
I don't think you understand what a luddite is. And you sound like an edgy teen of "I have a billion dollar idea, but I won't tell you and if only I had $3000 to make it real then I'd be a billionaire but I hate technology"
Tells me you have some stupid idea that nobody cares about but is, for no reason, super important to you while not important enough to create. I could make a car that runs on distilled water, I could complete my invention and revolutionize automobiles forever, but I just don't wanna and need like $37 which I just don't have.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>stupid idea that nobody cares
big enough to make it on chart
pic related. I don't feel like spoon feeding children so you tell me which tech it is. I will give you two clues tho.
It was predicted 12 years ago, they still got a year to go before this chart becomes inaccurate
[...] >seemed like a tech demo
Unfortunately this is true. They shouldn't have built up any hype at all till they got the software side of this fully developed. Now everyone who sees this will think poorly of it. Their best hopes now are that everyone will forget about it so they can re-release the exact same product but with cool software apps.
and if I did have the money I wouldn't make or sell that one. I'd work on other stuff tho that actually is stupid and nobody cares about. like writing a program that replaces all the walls in the room with fake glass so it looks like your entire room is under water in a coral reef with fish swimming around you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>big enough to make it on chart
So someone else already thought of it, put it on a stupid infograph, and you think its your idea but you just can't be bothered to make the next world changing tech. Got it.
Why am I talking to an AI anyway?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
And yeah, they already make displays for windows for those that live in really shitty apartments like NYC to display landscapes, aquarium scenes, and other shit because its a display in a window frame. Thats not new tech. At all. Its clever animation, but not new tech.
Confirmed you're a doofus.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Thats not new tech
Indeed. But then why didn't Apple just do it? Were they simply too afraid to put display "Windows™" in an apple product or did they not think of it? And looking isn't the only thing you can do with these types of windows. They can be used for interactive experiences, not limited to but for example games.
>big enough to make it on chart
So someone else already thought of it, put it on a stupid infograph, and you think its your idea but you just can't be bothered to make the next world changing tech. Got it.
Why am I talking to an AI anyway?
And I never once said this was my original idea. Only that Apple's "tech demo" unlocked "something" that was on this chart and they should know what they have on their hands but fail to see it OR are keeping very quiet about it. I'm curious to know if anyone else sees it. That's why I'm posting and that is what I'm asking (You). Do you see it?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>But then why didn't Apple just do it?
BECAUSE NOBODY FRICKING WANTS IT. Seriously, why would you cover a window with what amounts to a television screen to play an animated loop of anything but the outside? What miserable basement or shitass urban apartment do you live in that you'd like to forfeit a window at the cost of a custom-sized screen, a computer, and the scenery to play on it 24/7 at the cost of electricity? Its moronic at worst, and laughably niche at best.
Apples moronic headset didn't unlock "anything" because its a stupid infograph that doesn't mean anything. Did you make it? I think you're too dumb to realize how stupid the product is and you really want apple's headset to be cool but can't afford it but still adamant its a super useful thing. Its not, its about as useful as your useless image you keep referring to.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
This is tight. Ur dumb and poor.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>3 virtual screens >$4500 headset >$1400 iphone >2 hour battery life to shitpost, virtually
Holy shit you're right, I'm in.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I just think it’s neat :^)
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>cover a window
You misunderstand.
You use augmented reality/VR to add in window or virtually replace an entire wall with a giant plate of AR/VR glass with a virtual environment on the other side that's fully 3D so it looks real and isn't just a animated image. You could even add in a fake sunroof with this method, or just replace all the walls and ceiling so you're inside a fish tank that's underwater. Or do something more modest like...virtually change your wall paper/room color.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Okay, so you want augmented reality that is convincing enough to fully immerse you. They're kinda close with that already. Just see the demos of people sitting down on a toilet and its like they're sitting on a mountaintop. Everyone I've asked about that gimmick says its cool until you've tried them all and its basically standing on a scenic overlook somewhere. Its old and boring after about an hour of fricking around with it.
ONCE AGAIN you've proposed something thats already been invented and nobody cares about it.
That image claims that petabyte storage is the standard as we speak (2024) yet it's 1-2 decades away as we know it.
Therefore, a hole = doubt = irreputable as definite evidence
In other words, a whole lot of pseudo-science and throwing poo on a wall to see what sticks
Somewhat ironic that envisioningtech.com 404s and the last post for @envisioningtech on X was august 2023 saying they'd post more - which they didn't - and points to a subscription newsletter I don't want to sign up for and is now pimping an "AI-enabled co-creation tool". I don't mind the hustle, it's just kind of funny I guess.
That said the infographic IS interesting. An update would be nice.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
they moved to envisioning.io
Here's latest update on that pic I found on wayback archive
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Well shit, today I was more of a homosexual than OP - I didn't bother to check wayback. Thanks for the info. Tad harder to glean at a glance from the original but useful none-the-less.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>policy horizons canada
I wondered why it felt kind of familiar.
What did they expect? They made this piece of shit heavy and unbalanced so they keep their "premium" look and feel, and figures that's not what you want to use all day every day.
Getting bruises and spinal back injuries because the product designer was given priority over UX is not a winning strategy for a product.
I was in a high end mall in the nicest part of town and walked passed an apple store and wanted to give these a try. Turns out they only let you try with an appointment. No wonder no one is buying these, they cant even try them out.
It's a rather useless device I think. If it at least had VR games then it would have the selling point of being a way to experience VR games which are quite different from the "standard" but as it is the device feels mostly useless. I don't see the real-world appeal of the "virtual monitors with a brick on your face" use-case. If it were small and sleek you could say it's a proper wearable or something, but it's rather big with an external cable and battery, so I don't really get it. The price is also so high that you can very easily just buy a bunch of nice, big monitors and have them for real with better resolution and without wearing that thing in order to work.
It's basically pointless in the general sense, I'm sure there are some people with frick knows what niche use case which find it useful but that's it. I think this was basically a way to gauge the market and to get some experience with this sort of product so that the 2nd or 3rd or 4th iteration can be something actually good that people might really have a use for, at a price point that doesn't basically invalidate its existence.
Also I think if they want to pick the AR route, I think they need some sort of see-through display so that you can see things around you directly rather than through some shitty cameras and with low FoV plus geometric distortion.
It sounds strange but pcvr and vr gaming are a pretty small value add. I do it but it doesn’t keep me in the headset more than a couple hours a week maybe. Spatial computing is really where it will see day to day use, and for that there is nothing else close.
The problem with VR gaming currently is that the vast majority of VR games suck and even those that don't suck are rarely anything far beyond the "tech demo" level. They are not built to the same standard as regular games and are very frequently lackluster because of it, but that has nothing to do with VR itself, rather with the lackluster level of investment / interest in making VR games from the industry side so it's an entirely different matter.
The problem with "spacial computing" is what I've already described. It's fundamentally kind of sucky and useless, there is no reason to do your job using virtual shit when you can buy the real hardware. Wearing that thing sucks ass because the FoV is small, the cameras are a lot worse than your eyes and the image is somewhat distorted too. It's just bad and not something desirable to subject yourself to just to do the same things you can accomplish with real objects and probably for the same price or less. Then the other use case of "working" by waggling your hands around at some VR objects is also shitty because "interacting" with virtual objects with no physical feedback actually really sucks. There is no point to this thing beyond some niche applications right now and it will not revolutionize anything as it stands.
It first needs to get A LOT better, as in this thing needs to be barely more obtrusive than a pair of glasses and the price needs to come down a lot in order to make the proposition of doing things in VR rather in the real world make sense. If that doesn't happen it's not going to get any major use because nobody wants to wear a brick on their face which comes with a MASSIVE nerf to your vision for 40h+ a week as a necessary device for doing work.
If you havnt really specially computed before you should give it a shot. It’s pretty neat, on avp anyways. You can let your dumbass wife watch whatever dumbass show she wants while you have an ultra wide 5k monitor playing some game among other windows and other headless compute situations, all while blending your bedroom wall into a beautiful
vista.
>this thing needs to be barely more obtrusive than a pair of glasses and the price needs to come down a lot
Google glass was on the right track I think: it was a simple frame and relatively unobtrusive. Nerds made google glass so of course it looked goofy but if they made something like that even with a cord to a battery pack in your pocket or whatever, that'd be it. There isn't full immersion because nobody wants to wear turtle-shell glasses at all times, but that'd be the ticket and the display, audio, and compute tech is probably 20 years away for that.
You pretty much nailed every point and I have to add; apple goggles will never be for gaming for the same reason the window resizing and keyboard use is clunky; theres no hand units so its ONLY using cameras to try and see what your hands are doing so even stuff like fruit ninja doesn't work as good as other headsets with hand controllers.
The lower price point would be for mass sales; a $4000 headset like I described would still sell very well if it lived up to the same capabilities of apple goggles today, just not units in the millions. 180,000 goggles sold sounds like a lot, but for apple thats probably considered a flop when they're selling billions of phones, and probably tens of millions of computers.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I agree about Google glass being it, or can’te clunky and award and it’s best to see things with your own eyes instead of looking at a screen. But there are fundamental problems with optics that need to be solved for that to work, nobody wants depth of field blurred app windows shitting up your field of view when going around the place
I bought Quest 2 and started feeling bad when I tried "walking" with it in some game or whatver. This is a common thing and it's called "building your legs" and you have to endure this shit for months until you get used to. It sucks fr, I bought something to have fun not to feel like puking.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I was lucky. Got my VR legs in a few days on the og Vive with spinney/flying games. For some reason it just doesn't bother me at all in VR. Meanwhile - I get dizzy and sweaty palms looking down out of a skyscraper or high bridge, go figure.
Until Porn (and possibly gaming) is available on it, it will flounder. I feel personal and private porn consumption has driven much of the tech since at least the 90s.
I watched one porn on the avp that was 4k+ per eye, and it seemed like an extinction level event for the rest of the industry. I think they cleverly blocked it on the initial batch so media wouldn’t call it a $3500 porn device, but make no mistake what I saw was frickin insane. I’ll not be doing it again. And that was just the 180 degree shit. Once it’s girls in AR it is truly over for these hoes. Apocalyptically high fidelity. Ur little nuts are gonna be quaking
>what I saw was frickin insane
Oh, well I stand corrected then. Even the 6k (both eyes) 180 I've gotten from Wankz for years on the Index was pretty boner inducing if shot correctly.
Not sure if you are familiar with VaM for PC VR but considering even Steam wouldn't host it I just assumed Apple's walled garden would reject VR/AR shit like that outright.
>Ur little nuts are gonna be quaking
I'm an oldgay, they are far too saggy and nothing is little on me anymore sadly (except patience I guess). Gravity always wins in the end.
Yeah I mean they have vr players for avp,moon player I believe. I stole it and watched it off my nas. But streaming shit was just blocked behind a couple webxr settings that you need to toggle in safari settings. If that’s your thing go for it. Definitely multi generational leap over the index.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>leap over the index
Well good to know, thanks. I'm not in the Apple ecosystem anymore so I don't have first-hand on any of this shit now that my office pandemic-closed and we are all W@H. Shame as someone always expensed the latest hardware and set it up in the shared space to -- dick with... kek.
VR/AR is a solution looking for a problem. It’s dumb and nobody cares and doesn’t do anything a normal screen and wiimote can’t do, but Apple are trying to force it after Meta failed.
After the whirlwind of internet and smartphones and everything that goes along with those, everyone is trying to be the first to the next big thing but so far it’s all shit.
Crypto, VR, AR, and 3D printing are solutions looking for problems. self driving cars have been 80% of the way there for over half a decade. quantum computing is vaporware. IoT and drones have somewhat delivered but are hardly revolutionary. Generative AI probably is the real deal but so far its been “hey here’s a neat AI I made lol” without a true revolutionary product.
>Crypto, VR, AR, and 3D printing are solutions looking for problems.
I feel that's an overstatement. But they are definitely niche uses that are likely not to scale as fast as PCs, broadband internet, or smartphones did. For me, the largest turn off for VR (and I've had 6 headsets so far) is that it's a solitary affair you have to prep for to experience - as opposed to just glancing at a screen that people have been doing for over half a century.
how many did they sell?
180,000 but then everyone returned it
>tfw too poor for skying in Alps
feels bad
Rightfully so. It always seemed like a tech demo more than anything.
Applel was the only one that could market that piece of shit at 3500$ and still thinking it would sell.
This guy has a class III bite and needs orthognatic surgery.
It's just the front heavy weight of the headset crushing his upper skull into his lower jaw
apple apps are cancer, strapping them to your face is just a tumor
IDS NOD A TOOMAH
Heh, I get it.
I wish I could afford to buy one to develop apps for it.
It has SO much untapped potential.
>It has so much potential!
>I just have a feeling
>No, I don't have enough money to actually buy one
>But trust me, I have a knack for sniffing out and leveraging the next big thing that's why I don't have any disposable wealth
Opinion discarded
pic related. I don't feel like spoon feeding children so you tell me which tech it is. I will give you two clues tho.
It was predicted 12 years ago, they still got a year to go before this chart becomes inaccurate
>seemed like a tech demo
Unfortunately this is true. They shouldn't have built up any hype at all till they got the software side of this fully developed. Now everyone who sees this will think poorly of it. Their best hopes now are that everyone will forget about it so they can re-release the exact same product but with cool software apps.
>It was predicted 12 years ago
Woah, kinda like star trek predicted cell phones and nicola tesla predicted wireless charging? no way!
If you're that guy constantly exclaiming you knew something was coming but just didn't have the $1000 to create the next billion dollar idea, you're a liar and stupid.
Prove me wrong then. Tell me what it is that Apple has missed. I've already given it to you. Just tell me what it is and prove to me you're capable of independent thought not an AI chatbot.
>Prove me wrong then.
Prove you wrong on what? That you're looking back retroactively in your imagination thinking up shit that comes decades later?
Apple missed on plenty of their products, if you aren't aware of at least 4 of the major ones, you haven't done any digging. Their latest one is an AI self driving mini van that was just killed again.
>Prove you wrong on what?
There is stuff that can be done with the Apple vision pro that would be huge. Maybe not life changing for every person sort of huge, but an important app/software that should have released at launch kind of huge. Nobody has done it yet and I don't believe anybody has even mentioned it yet, tho I'll admit I may have missed some murmurings on random threads somewhere. I can't bring myself to flat out tell you what it is because as a luddite I really want someone else to come up with the idea as I personally want nothing to do with it. I've given you all the hints and clues as to what it is. They're in this thread thread. Prove to me you're not an AI chatbot by telling coming up with the idea yourself (even tho it's technically already been posted)
Again, as a luddite I'm more than happy to sit on a smart idea for years or even decades and do nothing with it. I'm actually morbidly curious to see how long it'll take other people. Prove to me I'm not as smart and clever and smug as this post makes me appear by telling me what the clever idea is. Honestly, I want you to. Good luck.
>There is stuff that can be done with the Apple vision pro that would be huge
>Nobody has done it yet
>I can't bring myself to flat out tell you what it is because as a luddite
>luddite
I don't think you understand what a luddite is. And you sound like an edgy teen of "I have a billion dollar idea, but I won't tell you and if only I had $3000 to make it real then I'd be a billionaire but I hate technology"
Tells me you have some stupid idea that nobody cares about but is, for no reason, super important to you while not important enough to create. I could make a car that runs on distilled water, I could complete my invention and revolutionize automobiles forever, but I just don't wanna and need like $37 which I just don't have.
>stupid idea that nobody cares
big enough to make it on chart
and if I did have the money I wouldn't make or sell that one. I'd work on other stuff tho that actually is stupid and nobody cares about. like writing a program that replaces all the walls in the room with fake glass so it looks like your entire room is under water in a coral reef with fish swimming around you.
>big enough to make it on chart
So someone else already thought of it, put it on a stupid infograph, and you think its your idea but you just can't be bothered to make the next world changing tech. Got it.
Why am I talking to an AI anyway?
And yeah, they already make displays for windows for those that live in really shitty apartments like NYC to display landscapes, aquarium scenes, and other shit because its a display in a window frame. Thats not new tech. At all. Its clever animation, but not new tech.
Confirmed you're a doofus.
>Thats not new tech
Indeed. But then why didn't Apple just do it? Were they simply too afraid to put display "Windows™" in an apple product or did they not think of it? And looking isn't the only thing you can do with these types of windows. They can be used for interactive experiences, not limited to but for example games.
And I never once said this was my original idea. Only that Apple's "tech demo" unlocked "something" that was on this chart and they should know what they have on their hands but fail to see it OR are keeping very quiet about it. I'm curious to know if anyone else sees it. That's why I'm posting and that is what I'm asking (You). Do you see it?
>But then why didn't Apple just do it?
BECAUSE NOBODY FRICKING WANTS IT. Seriously, why would you cover a window with what amounts to a television screen to play an animated loop of anything but the outside? What miserable basement or shitass urban apartment do you live in that you'd like to forfeit a window at the cost of a custom-sized screen, a computer, and the scenery to play on it 24/7 at the cost of electricity? Its moronic at worst, and laughably niche at best.
Apples moronic headset didn't unlock "anything" because its a stupid infograph that doesn't mean anything. Did you make it? I think you're too dumb to realize how stupid the product is and you really want apple's headset to be cool but can't afford it but still adamant its a super useful thing. Its not, its about as useful as your useless image you keep referring to.
This is tight. Ur dumb and poor.
>3 virtual screens
>$4500 headset
>$1400 iphone
>2 hour battery life to shitpost, virtually
Holy shit you're right, I'm in.
I just think it’s neat :^)
>cover a window
You misunderstand.
You use augmented reality/VR to add in window or virtually replace an entire wall with a giant plate of AR/VR glass with a virtual environment on the other side that's fully 3D so it looks real and isn't just a animated image. You could even add in a fake sunroof with this method, or just replace all the walls and ceiling so you're inside a fish tank that's underwater. Or do something more modest like...virtually change your wall paper/room color.
Okay, so you want augmented reality that is convincing enough to fully immerse you. They're kinda close with that already. Just see the demos of people sitting down on a toilet and its like they're sitting on a mountaintop. Everyone I've asked about that gimmick says its cool until you've tried them all and its basically standing on a scenic overlook somewhere. Its old and boring after about an hour of fricking around with it.
ONCE AGAIN you've proposed something thats already been invented and nobody cares about it.
That image claims that petabyte storage is the standard as we speak (2024) yet it's 1-2 decades away as we know it.
Therefore, a hole = doubt = irreputable as definite evidence
In other words, a whole lot of pseudo-science and throwing poo on a wall to see what sticks
>tfw optogenetics is considered a dead end now because nobody could figure out how to do anything useful with it
>reputation economy
>and that's a good thing
I hate the antichrist.
The accuracy of timing on some of those would sure trigger some /x/ anons if you shared it there.
Somewhat ironic that envisioningtech.com 404s and the last post for @envisioningtech on X was august 2023 saying they'd post more - which they didn't - and points to a subscription newsletter I don't want to sign up for and is now pimping an "AI-enabled co-creation tool". I don't mind the hustle, it's just kind of funny I guess.
That said the infographic IS interesting. An update would be nice.
they moved to envisioning.io
Here's latest update on that pic I found on wayback archive
Well shit, today I was more of a homosexual than OP - I didn't bother to check wayback. Thanks for the info. Tad harder to glean at a glance from the original but useful none-the-less.
>policy horizons canada
I wondered why it felt kind of familiar.
Hello Chang
I don't think you realise how unholy apple's products development is for independent developers.
doomtubers have moved on to the next thing that's ruining society™
everyone who bought that is a wienersucking homosexual who uses words like "delightful" and "serendipitious" unironically
Imagine getting triggered by using the English vocabulary.
What did they expect? They made this piece of shit heavy and unbalanced so they keep their "premium" look and feel, and figures that's not what you want to use all day every day.
Getting bruises and spinal back injuries because the product designer was given priority over UX is not a winning strategy for a product.
I'm glade they released it. The quest 3 has been getting non-stop updates since. Love that I can read my phone now.
Either this guy has an enormous head or they sneakily photoshopped the device to look smaller in this pic.
It’s a better device than people can understand yet. I think they just upped the super sampling and fine text looks even better
>3.5k+ price tag
>Can't even use it to play fetish mod VR
Skyrim
>The whole point of VR is to play fetish mod VR skyrim
It was DOA tbhyo
You can do all that and more. ALVR. 4090 seems to handle 3.6k per eye better than I would’ve thought.
What controllers does it use?
Nintendo switch. Might nab some index ones tho
I was in a high end mall in the nicest part of town and walked passed an apple store and wanted to give these a try. Turns out they only let you try with an appointment. No wonder no one is buying these, they cant even try them out.
It's a rather useless device I think. If it at least had VR games then it would have the selling point of being a way to experience VR games which are quite different from the "standard" but as it is the device feels mostly useless. I don't see the real-world appeal of the "virtual monitors with a brick on your face" use-case. If it were small and sleek you could say it's a proper wearable or something, but it's rather big with an external cable and battery, so I don't really get it. The price is also so high that you can very easily just buy a bunch of nice, big monitors and have them for real with better resolution and without wearing that thing in order to work.
It's basically pointless in the general sense, I'm sure there are some people with frick knows what niche use case which find it useful but that's it. I think this was basically a way to gauge the market and to get some experience with this sort of product so that the 2nd or 3rd or 4th iteration can be something actually good that people might really have a use for, at a price point that doesn't basically invalidate its existence.
Also I think if they want to pick the AR route, I think they need some sort of see-through display so that you can see things around you directly rather than through some shitty cameras and with low FoV plus geometric distortion.
It sounds strange but pcvr and vr gaming are a pretty small value add. I do it but it doesn’t keep me in the headset more than a couple hours a week maybe. Spatial computing is really where it will see day to day use, and for that there is nothing else close.
The problem with VR gaming currently is that the vast majority of VR games suck and even those that don't suck are rarely anything far beyond the "tech demo" level. They are not built to the same standard as regular games and are very frequently lackluster because of it, but that has nothing to do with VR itself, rather with the lackluster level of investment / interest in making VR games from the industry side so it's an entirely different matter.
The problem with "spacial computing" is what I've already described. It's fundamentally kind of sucky and useless, there is no reason to do your job using virtual shit when you can buy the real hardware. Wearing that thing sucks ass because the FoV is small, the cameras are a lot worse than your eyes and the image is somewhat distorted too. It's just bad and not something desirable to subject yourself to just to do the same things you can accomplish with real objects and probably for the same price or less. Then the other use case of "working" by waggling your hands around at some VR objects is also shitty because "interacting" with virtual objects with no physical feedback actually really sucks. There is no point to this thing beyond some niche applications right now and it will not revolutionize anything as it stands.
It first needs to get A LOT better, as in this thing needs to be barely more obtrusive than a pair of glasses and the price needs to come down a lot in order to make the proposition of doing things in VR rather in the real world make sense. If that doesn't happen it's not going to get any major use because nobody wants to wear a brick on their face which comes with a MASSIVE nerf to your vision for 40h+ a week as a necessary device for doing work.
If you havnt really specially computed before you should give it a shot. It’s pretty neat, on avp anyways. You can let your dumbass wife watch whatever dumbass show she wants while you have an ultra wide 5k monitor playing some game among other windows and other headless compute situations, all while blending your bedroom wall into a beautiful
vista.
>this thing needs to be barely more obtrusive than a pair of glasses and the price needs to come down a lot
Google glass was on the right track I think: it was a simple frame and relatively unobtrusive. Nerds made google glass so of course it looked goofy but if they made something like that even with a cord to a battery pack in your pocket or whatever, that'd be it. There isn't full immersion because nobody wants to wear turtle-shell glasses at all times, but that'd be the ticket and the display, audio, and compute tech is probably 20 years away for that.
You pretty much nailed every point and I have to add; apple goggles will never be for gaming for the same reason the window resizing and keyboard use is clunky; theres no hand units so its ONLY using cameras to try and see what your hands are doing so even stuff like fruit ninja doesn't work as good as other headsets with hand controllers.
The lower price point would be for mass sales; a $4000 headset like I described would still sell very well if it lived up to the same capabilities of apple goggles today, just not units in the millions. 180,000 goggles sold sounds like a lot, but for apple thats probably considered a flop when they're selling billions of phones, and probably tens of millions of computers.
I agree about Google glass being it, or can’te clunky and award and it’s best to see things with your own eyes instead of looking at a screen. But there are fundamental problems with optics that need to be solved for that to work, nobody wants depth of field blurred app windows shitting up your field of view when going around the place
>The problem with VR gaming currently is that...
IS THAT IT MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE SHIT homie.
I bought Quest 2 and started feeling bad when I tried "walking" with it in some game or whatver. This is a common thing and it's called "building your legs" and you have to endure this shit for months until you get used to. It sucks fr, I bought something to have fun not to feel like puking.
I was lucky. Got my VR legs in a few days on the og Vive with spinney/flying games. For some reason it just doesn't bother me at all in VR. Meanwhile - I get dizzy and sweaty palms looking down out of a skyscraper or high bridge, go figure.
I want one due to the job I have, but it costs too much to be worth the limited value.
Until Porn (and possibly gaming) is available on it, it will flounder. I feel personal and private porn consumption has driven much of the tech since at least the 90s.
I watched one porn on the avp that was 4k+ per eye, and it seemed like an extinction level event for the rest of the industry. I think they cleverly blocked it on the initial batch so media wouldn’t call it a $3500 porn device, but make no mistake what I saw was frickin insane. I’ll not be doing it again. And that was just the 180 degree shit. Once it’s girls in AR it is truly over for these hoes. Apocalyptically high fidelity. Ur little nuts are gonna be quaking
>what I saw was frickin insane
Oh, well I stand corrected then. Even the 6k (both eyes) 180 I've gotten from Wankz for years on the Index was pretty boner inducing if shot correctly.
Not sure if you are familiar with VaM for PC VR but considering even Steam wouldn't host it I just assumed Apple's walled garden would reject VR/AR shit like that outright.
>Ur little nuts are gonna be quaking
I'm an oldgay, they are far too saggy and nothing is little on me anymore sadly (except patience I guess). Gravity always wins in the end.
Yeah I mean they have vr players for avp,moon player I believe. I stole it and watched it off my nas. But streaming shit was just blocked behind a couple webxr settings that you need to toggle in safari settings. If that’s your thing go for it. Definitely multi generational leap over the index.
>leap over the index
Well good to know, thanks. I'm not in the Apple ecosystem anymore so I don't have first-hand on any of this shit now that my office pandemic-closed and we are all W@H. Shame as someone always expensed the latest hardware and set it up in the shared space to -- dick with... kek.
VR/AR is a solution looking for a problem. It’s dumb and nobody cares and doesn’t do anything a normal screen and wiimote can’t do, but Apple are trying to force it after Meta failed.
After the whirlwind of internet and smartphones and everything that goes along with those, everyone is trying to be the first to the next big thing but so far it’s all shit.
Crypto, VR, AR, and 3D printing are solutions looking for problems. self driving cars have been 80% of the way there for over half a decade. quantum computing is vaporware. IoT and drones have somewhat delivered but are hardly revolutionary. Generative AI probably is the real deal but so far its been “hey here’s a neat AI I made lol” without a true revolutionary product.
>Crypto, VR, AR, and 3D printing are solutions looking for problems.
I feel that's an overstatement. But they are definitely niche uses that are likely not to scale as fast as PCs, broadband internet, or smartphones did. For me, the largest turn off for VR (and I've had 6 headsets so far) is that it's a solitary affair you have to prep for to experience - as opposed to just glancing at a screen that people have been doing for over half a century.
funny how few threads there are on IQfy when someone hasn't paid the big bucks for an ad campaign for product announcement or launch