It's because your not living in an ex-soviet country. A lot of it is subtext making fun of soviet government, but it's probably lost on westerners.
t. Westerner who was told to read it by eastern european
I found it quite enjoyable, although my Russian friend had to read it in school and hates it. I like that Satan goes from villain, to anti hero, to hero throughout the story.
what? he keeps ruining peoples lifes for no reason. he's clearly supposed to be a bad character, except for the precious few he chooses to care for. The sense of dread I felt for margarita when she made the deal was a perfect match for what 1930's soviet officials likely felt during the great purge.
Why? It was not a pro-government novel. I think the devil was supposed to be a bad character. Bulgakov was a Christian after all, and I doubt he would have the devil be a positive force in any capacity.
I actuallu don't understand how you got to this conclusion, can you elaborate?
>he keeps ruining peoples lifes for no reason.
Maybe you should reread the book. He very much does it for a reason.
Why? It was not a pro-government novel. I think the devil was supposed to be a bad character. Bulgakov was a Christian after all, and I doubt he would have the devil be a positive force in any capacity.
I actuallu don't understand how you got to this conclusion, can you elaborate?
>Bulgakov was a Christian after all, and I doubt he would have the devil be a positive force in any capacity.
Bulgakov wasn't a tradlarper, his vision of Christianity is complex and heterodox. Surely you got that much from the chapters about Yeshua (the Master's novel)?
>I think the devil was supposed to be a bad character.
He gives people what they deserve.
You're apparently supposed to think that all the people who got killed/had their lives ruined deserved it for weird Soviet reasons.
There's nothing weird and soviet about it, they are bad people. The novel does have a high standard of what it means to be good (as a Christian-adjacent novel should). Mostly people get punished for trying to take advantage of others or thinking too highly of themselves or generally being closed to repentance.
>chapters about Yeshua
Those were about erasing the christian origin story that the soviet union was actively trying to do in the 1930's.
The people that get fricked do somewhat deserve it admittedly, but it's extremely excessive. The summarizing of the anarchy woland and his companions left behind in moscow near the end of the book was a clear pointer towards this. I don't think anyone calling himself a christian would portray the devil positively, and the whole secretive and unexplainable punishments are a clear reference to the soviet government. You seem to have an idea on what the book is about, please elaborate.
9 months ago
Anonymous
>the whole secretive and unexplainable punishments are a clear reference to the soviet government
This is exactly backwards. A lot of the people getting punished come from the political establishment. Massolit is a state-run literary organization, an attempt to control art for state purposes. Everyone involved in it is evil in some way. The Master gets kicked out of it and writes a novel that has no political utility and doesn't sell out his aesthetic vision (like Bulgakov himself. M&M was heavily censored). He gets rewarded; the rest get punished.
>I don't think anyone calling himself a christian would portray the devil positively
If Bulgakov was a christian (which I doubt), he was a Russian orthodox christian. It's a much softer, less legalistic and more mysterious spirituality than say Catholicism. The devil is more of a plot device than an actual character representing the actual devil.
The punishments mostly involve driving people mad. This is important from a spiritual perspective as arguably their souls/psyches were already corrupt, the devil just makes it explicit.
9 months ago
Anonymous
Admittedly I read the book a while ago, and I misremembered reading that he was christian.
The idea of punishing the people who deserve it is very interesting. I might read it again with this in mind.
I didn't understand all of the subtext in regards to the Soviet Union, only basic bits, but I found it incredibly captivating and the Pilate-scene at the end when they visited him after the ball is still so clearly in my mind as if I was standing there myself.
this book felt so simple and readable to me in a good way. it just made sense and clicked. it was funny and heartfelt and did silly humour and serious art like it was breathing, just natural. i don't know how to explain it, on the surface it looks a bit disjointed but it all just felt right to me and joined together in a lovely way
one of my favourite reading experiences
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It's because your not living in an ex-soviet country. A lot of it is subtext making fun of soviet government, but it's probably lost on westerners.
t. Westerner who was told to read it by eastern european
I found it quite enjoyable, although my Russian friend had to read it in school and hates it. I like that Satan goes from villain, to anti hero, to hero throughout the story.
what? he keeps ruining peoples lifes for no reason. he's clearly supposed to be a bad character, except for the precious few he chooses to care for. The sense of dread I felt for margarita when she made the deal was a perfect match for what 1930's soviet officials likely felt during the great purge.
You're apparently supposed to think that all the people who got killed/had their lives ruined deserved it for weird Soviet reasons.
Why? It was not a pro-government novel. I think the devil was supposed to be a bad character. Bulgakov was a Christian after all, and I doubt he would have the devil be a positive force in any capacity.
I actuallu don't understand how you got to this conclusion, can you elaborate?
>he keeps ruining peoples lifes for no reason.
Maybe you should reread the book. He very much does it for a reason.
>Bulgakov was a Christian after all, and I doubt he would have the devil be a positive force in any capacity.
Bulgakov wasn't a tradlarper, his vision of Christianity is complex and heterodox. Surely you got that much from the chapters about Yeshua (the Master's novel)?
>I think the devil was supposed to be a bad character.
He gives people what they deserve.
There's nothing weird and soviet about it, they are bad people. The novel does have a high standard of what it means to be good (as a Christian-adjacent novel should). Mostly people get punished for trying to take advantage of others or thinking too highly of themselves or generally being closed to repentance.
>chapters about Yeshua
Those were about erasing the christian origin story that the soviet union was actively trying to do in the 1930's.
The people that get fricked do somewhat deserve it admittedly, but it's extremely excessive. The summarizing of the anarchy woland and his companions left behind in moscow near the end of the book was a clear pointer towards this. I don't think anyone calling himself a christian would portray the devil positively, and the whole secretive and unexplainable punishments are a clear reference to the soviet government. You seem to have an idea on what the book is about, please elaborate.
>the whole secretive and unexplainable punishments are a clear reference to the soviet government
This is exactly backwards. A lot of the people getting punished come from the political establishment. Massolit is a state-run literary organization, an attempt to control art for state purposes. Everyone involved in it is evil in some way. The Master gets kicked out of it and writes a novel that has no political utility and doesn't sell out his aesthetic vision (like Bulgakov himself. M&M was heavily censored). He gets rewarded; the rest get punished.
>I don't think anyone calling himself a christian would portray the devil positively
If Bulgakov was a christian (which I doubt), he was a Russian orthodox christian. It's a much softer, less legalistic and more mysterious spirituality than say Catholicism. The devil is more of a plot device than an actual character representing the actual devil.
The punishments mostly involve driving people mad. This is important from a spiritual perspective as arguably their souls/psyches were already corrupt, the devil just makes it explicit.
Admittedly I read the book a while ago, and I misremembered reading that he was christian.
The idea of punishing the people who deserve it is very interesting. I might read it again with this in mind.
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You probably have no spiritual side.
Yeah, why the frick is it always the cat on all covers and art? He's a side character.
He's the most kino character.
He's good. But I went in thinking he would be The Master character referred to in the title from how prominent he is
if you read a translation there isn't a substitute for burgin, it's much more natural sounding than P&V
I don’t get the appeal of the Pilate scenes. I loved the book except for those parts
you should actually have a nice day. NPC.
You need to know the shitshow context of the early SU plus Christianity.
Like Orwell, Vonnegut, and Huxley, a great introduction to adult literature, but hardly far down that path at all
I didn't understand all of the subtext in regards to the Soviet Union, only basic bits, but I found it incredibly captivating and the Pilate-scene at the end when they visited him after the ball is still so clearly in my mind as if I was standing there myself.
this book felt so simple and readable to me in a good way. it just made sense and clicked. it was funny and heartfelt and did silly humour and serious art like it was breathing, just natural. i don't know how to explain it, on the surface it looks a bit disjointed but it all just felt right to me and joined together in a lovely way
one of my favourite reading experiences
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have a nice day zogbot. Talking about Russian literature isn’t so pro-Putin move. Your people are the bottom of earthly scum
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