there is nothing to get, really. one of the most overrated "masterpieces" of all time. the number one spot is a rivalry between The Great Gatsby and the following books/authors: david foster wallace (i do not dispute the man's wide intelligence though); Fitzgerald's The Bookship, In Search of Lost Time (boooooriiiing) and perhaps a few more.
Mishima, Proust and Kafka have this amazing ability to write hundreds of pages and say absolutely nothing. If you point this out, people say you're low iq, filtered etc. but deep down they know it's true. I wonder how they managed to become famous. It's probably because we're so accustomed to bullshitting that it's now a necessity. >if I don't understand it, it's probably smart and I'll look dumb if I question it. If somebody else questions it, I'll also look dumb because of the implication.
it's about the impermeability of class, even in America which deludes itself into thinking it's beyond class stratification. it's about
. it's about the futility of nostalgia and living in the past and not moving forward with life
Unironically I've heard better answers in my high school English class, I didn't realize this was board so low IQ. It's like the telephone game with wikipedia summaries itt.
Posts like this always make me laugh. I’m not OP but how can you criticise the state of the board when you’re willing to engage in a point to shit on it, but don’t even offer your own perspective as well? Are you 17?
8 months ago
Anonymous
>see an ocean of sewage >um why don't you try to clean it up by dumping your glass of crisp clean water in it?
moron
8 months ago
Anonymous
Why are you drinking your water over an ocean of sewage
I dont understand why everyone thinks the book is a criticism of jazz age wealth and decadence. To me it seems more like a celebration. When I read Fitzgerald it makes me want to attend swanky parties.
It's a subtle criticism, because it's a layered book with class. Unfortunately teenagers figured out that it was the secret phrase to get an A on their book reports, and now it's forever associated with dumb people trying to sound smart.
Completely overhyped unadulterated crap. Like feces on a piece of paper. It is from a period American literature was in steep steep decline, you figure out the rest
in highschool thought it was fine as an intro to absurdism, then a few years later a post (probably on this board) said the the orange juice machine was actually the description of a machine gun, and it really put a new spin on it. basically the same message but with a much stronger attack.
does anyone know what am talking about?
Do you ever stfu about critcizing absurdism? Some of the greatest writers that have ever existed used it all the time, yet every time you see it mentioned in a thread, you always take the stance of it being made for morons. When really the truth is realism is for morons, it inherentley lacks creativity, and it's a style born from being typical. Theirs many great realism novels, but anyone who says realism is objectively better like you have done in the past, just makes you seem like a pretentious prick who doesn't have a single ounce of creativity in their body. Please stfu forever on this topic. No one cares or agrees with your infinite fight of being wrong. Maybe if you read some absurdist novels, you wouldn't regurgitate the same bland opinion all the time
8 months ago
Anonymous
Do you really expect me to read some random down syndromic's ramblings everytime they pop up? Well, I've got newsflash for you, downie
8 months ago
Anonymous
So Joseph Heller, Kafka, Camus, Murakami, Pynchon, Carrol, Thompson, Voltaire, Hesse, Flann O'Brien, Dostoevsky, Pratchett, Vonnegut, Jorge Luis Borges, and Mishmia, you consider all these writers morons, that you're above their "ramblings"? I didn't even name a bunch of writers who pre-dated absurdism and surrealism, but definitely have it's DNA, like Homer and Dante
8 months ago
Anonymous
I don't read more than a single sentence out of morons, sorry. Stop replying
8 months ago
Anonymous
If you hate absurbism so much, just say you hate all the writers I listed, they're all morons like you said. Then I'll never reply to your dogshit take whenever I see it
It's absurd if you hold the presup that the American dream is attainable to those that work hard and achieve success and still end up on the outide of the nice part of town looking in. But it's certainly not absurd canon in muh upion.
It's a thoroughly mediocre book that is only taught in schools because American soldiers who went to Europe for the world wars were issued copies just because they were cheap and it gave them something to do other than spread syphilis.
They came back home and since most of them who read it probably didn't read anything else it became a touchstone of Americana that they'd inflict on their children for generations.
It's a really good book but it's hard to appreciate the first time through. I'm going to read it again in a few months.
Tons of low tier takes ITT.
I am thoroughly surprised at how little the J in the book is mentioned on IQfy, especially the name of the outfit he works at. I had to read it twice to see if I mistook it.
The American Dream is absurd, Gatsby did everything he could including illicit rum running with organized crime and yet he was still left (spoiler!) dead, in his fancy pool, wrongly killed by some deranged old man.
And the rich kods who were born into money got away with the homicide of the deranged old man's wife.
Did you read the book anon?
What a pathetic psued take masquerading as intellectualism >nothing... LE MATTERS
If nothing matters why don't you keep your garbage takes for yourself and turn off the fricking computer you absolute redditor
From the vague Insinuations that life and everything surrounding it is futile
Why? Are you here to argue semantics and implications like a dime a dozen midwit or do you just lack reading comprehension
8 months ago
Anonymous
You're an idiot. There are no vague insinuations that life is futile or meaningless or that nothing matters in that post. Potential vanishing does not imply the absence of meaning at all.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>ends up wanting to argue semantics like I predicted >"you are dumb for calling me out though"
Frick off midwit. You have nothing of value to add. You are as predictable as a house tour.
8 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not arguing semantics you imbecile. You are reading things into a post that are simply not there and acting like you think you are some idiot savant when you are not a savant of any kind. Go back to jacking off to pictures of your fat mother Jesus f Christ.
8 months ago
Anonymous
>i am not arguing semantics >so anyway here's me arguing semantics
The only reason you are so upset is because you know I am right. Lashing out like a child when your purile, pedantic opinions get thrown into the trash where they belong just further proves me right. What next? Are you going to cry? Lol. You are the posterchild for pseudo-intellectualism and a true midwit.
I don't either. My guess was rich peaple are detached from the real world and don't take responsibility as a normal person HAS to, not just should. That's about it. Whenever they talked about the land of ash where the shop is at I couldn't for the life of me visualize what the frick they were talking about.
The book tries to discredit traditional masculinity by beating down the husband who provides for his wife, while some trust fund kiddie alcoholic spends his father's fortune trying to bang this wife by hoping that someone will bring her to him on a silver platter. All of this is told through the lens of the most bland and uninteresting character ever written. The only good part was after they ran over that broad and that was the last few pages of the book.
It just illustrates that there is a difference between the impression a person creates outside of themselves, and what's actually going on in their reality.
Some stories don't have meanings or morals as such, they just depict a thing.
>Hey, we’re having a conversation in my house? Let’s rent a hotel room and have the same exact conversation there! Why? I don’t know. >Also let’s for some fricking reason drunk-drive each other’s cars, it will be cool!
there is nothing to get, really. one of the most overrated "masterpieces" of all time. the number one spot is a rivalry between The Great Gatsby and the following books/authors: david foster wallace (i do not dispute the man's wide intelligence though); Fitzgerald's The Bookship, In Search of Lost Time (boooooriiiing) and perhaps a few more.
Mishima, Proust and Kafka have this amazing ability to write hundreds of pages and say absolutely nothing. If you point this out, people say you're low iq, filtered etc. but deep down they know it's true. I wonder how they managed to become famous. It's probably because we're so accustomed to bullshitting that it's now a necessity.
>if I don't understand it, it's probably smart and I'll look dumb if I question it. If somebody else questions it, I'll also look dumb because of the implication.
low iq, filtered, etc (deep down you know it's true)
You can just admit that you have autism you know.
These. Not every book needs to be utilitarian in nature. Many great books are appreciated for art’s sake, not the plot
Actually the autistic phenotype is probably the most suited to enjoying an author like Proust in the Current Year.
> if I don't understand it clearly no one else can and everyone else is just pretending
"The Great American Novel" is about how the pursuit of money is a hollow endeavour. Of course, Americans don't read.
it's about the impermeability of class, even in America which deludes itself into thinking it's beyond class stratification. it's about
. it's about the futility of nostalgia and living in the past and not moving forward with life
Completely wrong.
Unironically I've heard better answers in my high school English class, I didn't realize this was board so low IQ. It's like the telephone game with wikipedia summaries itt.
yeah ur better n more smarter okay thanks
Posts like this always make me laugh. I’m not OP but how can you criticise the state of the board when you’re willing to engage in a point to shit on it, but don’t even offer your own perspective as well? Are you 17?
>see an ocean of sewage
>um why don't you try to clean it up by dumping your glass of crisp clean water in it?
moron
Why are you drinking your water over an ocean of sewage
It's a book about himself, he is the gret gaby
The 1920s were…le bad
"Everybody sucks".
The rich suck, the poor suck, the middle class suck even more. Frick al them snob, moronicand coward mfs
Did you at least like the kino first sentence?
What's kino about it.
I guess literature might just not be for you.
>can't articulate why you like something
>the other person is the problem
Lol
It’s obviously about Nick Carraway’s unrequited gay romance with old sport himself, Mr. Great Gatsby
I dont understand why everyone thinks the book is a criticism of jazz age wealth and decadence. To me it seems more like a celebration. When I read Fitzgerald it makes me want to attend swanky parties.
It's a subtle criticism, because it's a layered book with class. Unfortunately teenagers figured out that it was the secret phrase to get an A on their book reports, and now it's forever associated with dumb people trying to sound smart.
i definitely love the escapism, of wanting to be rich and drink and frick shit up all day
but the *meaning* is obviously critical of the upper classes; jimmy g gets away with it and no one even cares
I liked it. I guess you're either moved by Gatsby's will and tragic story (like Nick, the narrator) or fall into the group of more pragmatical others.
It is shitty. The guy was horny for her and wanted her back. Wow, how amazing lmfao
reductionist homosexuals like you should be kept in a cage being tortured all day
Completely overhyped unadulterated crap. Like feces on a piece of paper. It is from a period American literature was in steep steep decline, you figure out the rest
in highschool thought it was fine as an intro to absurdism, then a few years later a post (probably on this board) said the the orange juice machine was actually the description of a machine gun, and it really put a new spin on it. basically the same message but with a much stronger attack.
does anyone know what am talking about?
No. It is a pretty mediocre work
Where did you get the idea it's an absurdist text? Besides the parties theirs nothing about it that can be seen as absurd
Absurd is an euphemism for mongoloid
Do you ever stfu about critcizing absurdism? Some of the greatest writers that have ever existed used it all the time, yet every time you see it mentioned in a thread, you always take the stance of it being made for morons. When really the truth is realism is for morons, it inherentley lacks creativity, and it's a style born from being typical. Theirs many great realism novels, but anyone who says realism is objectively better like you have done in the past, just makes you seem like a pretentious prick who doesn't have a single ounce of creativity in their body. Please stfu forever on this topic. No one cares or agrees with your infinite fight of being wrong. Maybe if you read some absurdist novels, you wouldn't regurgitate the same bland opinion all the time
Do you really expect me to read some random down syndromic's ramblings everytime they pop up? Well, I've got newsflash for you, downie
So Joseph Heller, Kafka, Camus, Murakami, Pynchon, Carrol, Thompson, Voltaire, Hesse, Flann O'Brien, Dostoevsky, Pratchett, Vonnegut, Jorge Luis Borges, and Mishmia, you consider all these writers morons, that you're above their "ramblings"? I didn't even name a bunch of writers who pre-dated absurdism and surrealism, but definitely have it's DNA, like Homer and Dante
I don't read more than a single sentence out of morons, sorry. Stop replying
If you hate absurbism so much, just say you hate all the writers I listed, they're all morons like you said. Then I'll never reply to your dogshit take whenever I see it
It's absurd if you hold the presup that the American dream is attainable to those that work hard and achieve success and still end up on the outide of the nice part of town looking in. But it's certainly not absurd canon in muh upion.
Wtf are you even talking about? Have you gone bonkers
I read the book.
This second comment of yours assures me you have gone completely, irrevocably insane
It's a thoroughly mediocre book that is only taught in schools because American soldiers who went to Europe for the world wars were issued copies just because they were cheap and it gave them something to do other than spread syphilis.
They came back home and since most of them who read it probably didn't read anything else it became a touchstone of Americana that they'd inflict on their children for generations.
America has an inferiority complex in literature. More like The Dumb Gatsby. Let it be
It's a really good book but it's hard to appreciate the first time through. I'm going to read it again in a few months.
Tons of low tier takes ITT.
I am thoroughly surprised at how little the J in the book is mentioned on IQfy, especially the name of the outfit he works at. I had to read it twice to see if I mistook it.
>how little the J in the book is mentioned on IQfy, especially the name of the outfit
lmfao
hahaha like two whole pages talking about his "unfortunate nose"
The American Dream is absurd, Gatsby did everything he could including illicit rum running with organized crime and yet he was still left (spoiler!) dead, in his fancy pool, wrongly killed by some deranged old man.
And the rich kods who were born into money got away with the homicide of the deranged old man's wife.
Did you read the book anon?
Roaring 20s and Civil War nostalgia. Have to have the art deco/nouveau aesthetics in mind.
You will once you've grown up and seen your youthful potential vanish behind you like so may dissipating currents.
I'm sorry what
And so we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.
What a pathetic psued take masquerading as intellectualism
>nothing... LE MATTERS
If nothing matters why don't you keep your garbage takes for yourself and turn off the fricking computer you absolute redditor
Where do you get 'nothing matters' from that post?
From the vague Insinuations that life and everything surrounding it is futile
Why? Are you here to argue semantics and implications like a dime a dozen midwit or do you just lack reading comprehension
You're an idiot. There are no vague insinuations that life is futile or meaningless or that nothing matters in that post. Potential vanishing does not imply the absence of meaning at all.
>ends up wanting to argue semantics like I predicted
>"you are dumb for calling me out though"
Frick off midwit. You have nothing of value to add. You are as predictable as a house tour.
I'm not arguing semantics you imbecile. You are reading things into a post that are simply not there and acting like you think you are some idiot savant when you are not a savant of any kind. Go back to jacking off to pictures of your fat mother Jesus f Christ.
>i am not arguing semantics
>so anyway here's me arguing semantics
The only reason you are so upset is because you know I am right. Lashing out like a child when your purile, pedantic opinions get thrown into the trash where they belong just further proves me right. What next? Are you going to cry? Lol. You are the posterchild for pseudo-intellectualism and a true midwit.
they teach this book to 13 year olds because it's so easy to understand
I don't either. My guess was rich peaple are detached from the real world and don't take responsibility as a normal person HAS to, not just should. That's about it. Whenever they talked about the land of ash where the shop is at I couldn't for the life of me visualize what the frick they were talking about.
Metaphor for the great Catsby - Garfield, and how the pursuit of lasagna is a bloated endeavor.
The book tries to discredit traditional masculinity by beating down the husband who provides for his wife, while some trust fund kiddie alcoholic spends his father's fortune trying to bang this wife by hoping that someone will bring her to him on a silver platter. All of this is told through the lens of the most bland and uninteresting character ever written. The only good part was after they ran over that broad and that was the last few pages of the book.
I liked that Gatsby got clipped.
>I liked that Gatsby got clipped.
Yeah homie best shit was this the Gatsby Black person got a pop up your ass fr
It just illustrates that there is a difference between the impression a person creates outside of themselves, and what's actually going on in their reality.
Some stories don't have meanings or morals as such, they just depict a thing.
>Hey, we’re having a conversation in my house? Let’s rent a hotel room and have the same exact conversation there! Why? I don’t know.
>Also let’s for some fricking reason drunk-drive each other’s cars, it will be cool!
>Reading comprehension = none
Alas, the average IQfy poster.
you've been watching family guy right?
vapid rich white girl wants to go to the city just because. they do stupid shit like that all the time you ever actually socialize with a wo-oh
rich people unironically do that shit, youngling
New money vs old money, in the end all money is bad.