I don't get it, what's the takeaway here? That God is an anarchist?

I don't get it, what's the takeaway here? That God is an anarchist?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It attempt to answers the question "why does evil exist". The answer it gives is "so that we all have the opportunity to be heroes and stand against it".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      until we burn ourselves out, then evil wins, then civilization collapses, a lot of people suffer and die, and we have to start over. god's plan sucks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But they aren't heroes, they get absorbed into Sunday and pass into the shadow realm or someshit

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How does that make them not heroes?

        Go back and read the last chapter. Thursday as a whole speech after the anarchist comes back where he spells out the major theme.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What are the best books by religious apologists that explore this theme of the world being a show, or a dream, or a play, or something like that, orchestrated by God?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fpbp

      >I sent you out to war. I sat in the darkness where there is not any created thing and to you I was only a voice commanding valor and an unnatural virtue. You heard the voice in the dark and you never heard it again. The sun in heaven denied it, the earth and the sky denied it, all human wisdom denied it. And when I met you in the daylight I denied it myself. But you were men. You did not forget your secret honor, though the whole cosmos turner an engine of torture to tear it out of you.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Why does each thing on the earth war against each other thing? Why does each small thing in the world have to fight against the world itself? Why does a fly have to fight the whole universe? Why does a dandelion have to fight the whole universe? For the same reason that I had to be alone in the dreadful Council of the Days. So that each thing that obeys law may have the glory and isolation of the anarchist. So that each man fighting for order may be as brave and good a man as the dynamiter. So that the real lie of Satan may be flung back in the face of this blasphemer, so that by tears and torture we may earn the right to say to this man, ‘You lie!’ No agonies can be too great to buy the right to say to this accuser, ‘We also have suffered.’

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's right. All the millions of innocent civilians who died in WW2 have to suck it up because the Allies needed hitler to give them an opportunity to be heroes and stand against him.
      This view is what one would describe as "cope". Also very dumb.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing is outside of God's plan? Idk this book filtered me

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Chesterton is just a more pompous, verbose, but less fruity Catholic version of C. S. Lewis. He’s not deep or profound, but people who get lost in the shallows think he is, just like with C. S. Lewis.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah. You just got filtered.

      Chesterton was the forerunner of both surrealist literature and magical realism which were arguably the defining genres of the 20th century. He predates Kafka and Camus work and even Borges recognized him as a seminal influence.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This anon

        Chesterton is just a more pompous, verbose, but less fruity Catholic version of C. S. Lewis. He’s not deep or profound, but people who get lost in the shallows think he is, just like with C. S. Lewis.

        takes every opportunity to shit on Chungus Chesterton. He’s very insecure about it too

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Chesterton is incredibly quotable, Lewis has zero good lines

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Every quote i see of him is dumber than the last.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I don't get it
    What a shame.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      one takeaway i had from it was that principled rebellion severs communion with God more than petty/practical rebellion

      kek this game is the reason why i read it

      kino read, i remember reading it as i was traveling spain w family especially on the trains

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you especially read it on trains?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In his autobiography, Chesterton says President Sunday represented "the god of pantheism"
    I think the book is basically autobiographical in character, about "one of those emptied hells" and the absurd element is tied to GKC's experience with depression
    At the time of publishing, Chesterton had basically come to believe in the Apostles creed (when discussing GKC, it is often forgotten that when writing Heretics, he was not properly Christian yet)

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I didn't really get it. I thought Sunday was cool. Which I'm sure wasn't Gil's intention. Although, the bit where one-by-one the whole anarchist council finds out that they're all undercover detectives is very fun.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Chesterton described the novel as capturing some of the existential anxieties and angst he had in his youth. At that point in his life I want to say he was still somewhat agnostic, though clearly leaning towards Catholicism.
    The novel reflects a degree of youthful uncertainty maybe frustration.
    As others have said itt the novel could be seen as theodicy, an attempt to explain the apparent disorder and evil that exists in a world created by a benevolent God. Disorder secretly works according to the plans of a higher order. It's about the passage from a sense of total uncertainty that there is no real ground to anything and nothing is as it appears, to a realization that all the apparent disorder was only a play act for a higher order.
    The novel has a whimsical tone, and a lot of the enjoyment comes more simply from all the ironic twists and turns of the plot. There does not need to be one singular "takeaway" or point when discussing novels and literature

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is a good explanation. It's hard to come away from a book with a singular conclusion; just try to contemplate the ideas and questions that the text evokes. See it as a catalyst for further exploration.

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