I don't have a problem with Windows, I don't have a problem with Linux, I don't have a problem.

I accept your concession

Because 99.9% of people "who care" just start political arguments with people and never actually accomplish anything. And "waking people up" is a meme, every decade or less there's a massive bombshell that shows how corrupt and disingenuous the US govt is and people just continue as normal.

The hardest pill for people to swallow is that there has never been a successful peasant rebellion in the history of the world. Every successful revolution was done by a lower tier elite against the highest tier elite. The whole
>people are gonna have enough and rise up and we'll have true democracy then
is a total cope. The way our system works is that it just allows lower elites to peacefully overthrow higher elites without a bloody civil war or revolution that interferes with the economy. They do it through successful and strategic lobbying and buying of politicians, media and other economic activity like controlling key markets or industries.

This system is effective because it prevents things to deteriorating to the point of pre-revolutionary France. Because before a ruling elite can lead the country to that level of dysfunction, a more competent elite peacefully overthrows them and continues with the same principles and goals, but with the masses more competently placated.

>just lay down and die
no it means pursue your personal interests morally and ethnically.
Unless you're already a powerful position, you have no immediate way of shaping society. It is possible, but first you need to become powerful.

Napoleon is a good example, he was born into minor Corsican nobility. That alone wasn't enough to give him any political clout, but it was enough to get him into France's equivalent of West Point and from there he became a national war hero long before he ever got involved in politics. But the point is he made himself a minor elite he didn't just go around doing "political activism" or whatever else. Yes he was always interested in politics and was in political clubs and debated politics and philosophy with people who also wanted to do the same, but that's not what gave him power, it was just what refined his political and philosophical beliefs he tried to implement after becoming an elite.

Arguing with your friends and family about politics isn't going to change anything.

if your great grandaddy was as big of a homosexual as you, we wouldn't have a 40 hour work week.

Yes the unions of yore actually were effective, but modern political movements are intentionally lead down moronic and counterproductive paths that don't lead anywhere, see Occupy Wall Street and the Alth-Right. They also had specific demands such as the 40 hour work week that they directly worked towards. They didn't just protest vaguely against "elites" on behalf of the "masses"

I have no problem if you want to dedicate your time and effort into some sort of organization to achieve something, but arguing with people on IQfy isn't going to help.

>seemingly doesn't read my post then accuses me of being a Russian shill
I had to double check that i wasn't on /k/

>still completely disregarding my post
What I'm saying is this bullshit of
>the masses are gonna rise up!
is bullshit. If you want to change the world you need power first by advancing personally. If you're a sandwhich artist at subway or a code monkey at some corporation, you're not going to be changing shit at that position.

Sure could the union boss of IBEW lead a strike that would result in political change? Yes, but first you have to become the union boss of IBEW. Most of the people go on and on about politics are people with no political power just fantasizing and starting arguements like this one irl with friends and family, accomplishing nothing. Unless you actually have some sort of actionable plan you're trying to get them on, all your doing is just creating annoying arguments that won't change anything.

leftie who doesn't have the attention span to read a IQfy post is surely going to start the worldwide workers revolution

>needs to be spoonfeed how to follow a discussion on IQfy
I'll do it just to humor myself

Because 99.9% of people "who care" just start political arguments with people and never actually accomplish anything. And "waking people up" is a meme, every decade or less there's a massive bombshell that shows how corrupt and disingenuous the US govt is and people just continue as normal.

The hardest pill for people to swallow is that there has never been a successful peasant rebellion in the history of the world. Every successful revolution was done by a lower tier elite against the highest tier elite. The whole
>people are gonna have enough and rise up and we'll have true democracy then
is a total cope. The way our system works is that it just allows lower elites to peacefully overthrow higher elites without a bloody civil war or revolution that interferes with the economy. They do it through successful and strategic lobbying and buying of politicians, media and other economic activity like controlling key markets or industries.

This system is effective because it prevents things to deteriorating to the point of pre-revolutionary France. Because before a ruling elite can lead the country to that level of dysfunction, a more competent elite peacefully overthrows them and continues with the same principles and goals, but with the masses more competently placated.

>just lay down and die
no it means pursue your personal interests morally and ethnically.
Unless you're already a powerful position, you have no immediate way of shaping society. It is possible, but first you need to become powerful.

Napoleon is a good example, he was born into minor Corsican nobility. That alone wasn't enough to give him any political clout, but it was enough to get him into France's equivalent of West Point and from there he became a national war hero long before he ever got involved in politics. But the point is he made himself a minor elite he didn't just go around doing "political activism" or whatever else. Yes he was always interested in politics and was in political clubs and debated politics and philosophy with people who also wanted to do the same, but that's not what gave him power, it was just what refined his political and philosophical beliefs he tried to implement after becoming an elite.

Arguing with your friends and family about politics isn't going to change anything.

[...]
Yes the unions of yore actually were effective, but modern political movements are intentionally lead down moronic and counterproductive paths that don't lead anywhere, see Occupy Wall Street and the Alth-Right. They also had specific demands such as the 40 hour work week that they directly worked towards. They didn't just protest vaguely against "elites" on behalf of the "masses"

I have no problem if you want to dedicate your time and effort into some sort of organization to achieve something, but arguing with people on IQfy isn't going to help.

>still completely disregarding my post
What I'm saying is this bullshit of
>the masses are gonna rise up!
is bullshit. If you want to change the world you need power first by advancing personally. If you're a sandwhich artist at subway or a code monkey at some corporation, you're not going to be changing shit at that position.

Sure could the union boss of IBEW lead a strike that would result in political change? Yes, but first you have to become the union boss of IBEW. Most of the people go on and on about politics are people with no political power just fantasizing and starting arguements like this one irl with friends and family, accomplishing nothing. Unless you actually have some sort of actionable plan you're trying to get them on, all your doing is just creating annoying arguments that won't change anything.

if your great grandaddy was as big of a homosexual as you, we wouldn't have a 40 hour work week.