I don't know what it is exactly, but KDE apps just don't look as slick and clean as GNOME. also scroll bars look like shit on default apps.
what is it exactly and is it because of qt or KDE?
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I don't know what it is exactly, but KDE apps just don't look as slick and clean as GNOME.
>is it because
they're trying to copy Windows nostalgia instead of focusing on universal design principles. Stick with GNOME if you want a desktop environment
the problem is qt performs better and gnome is lagging behind in wayland features. inb4 wayland is shit.
I'm hoping Mauikit thing turns out good so we can have Knome
KDE is a joke
Both perform exactly the same but Gnome feel way better because of well designed animations.
It's true that KDE is often first to implement new tech but their implementation is always half assed. Gnome just werks.
It's also broken like every KDE release ever. They had a chance to show the world that they can release a solid product and instead they just released a rushed piece of shit like always.
How do you even check properties of files and folders in this file explorer? In windows you select and everything is visible in status bar at the bottom, you can even add new information to be visible there from humongous list. No need to open anything just select file.
Nautilus can't even display folder size, nor have very basic features, if you want something you need to install some pajeetscript "extension" like a fricking browser, get fricked foothomosexual
Default nautilus install on fedora 40
He probably means without you having to click a button to do that.
In Dolphin it's just there in the bottom right corner no matter what you're doing.
>Both perform exactly the same but Gnome feel way better because of well designed animations.
You don't need animations. The only animations I see regularly are the launcher opening/closing and panel auto-hide.
There's also workspace switching but that's practically instantaneous and doesn't need to be animated (some might get sick because of that but it's fine for me).
My PC is not a phone you fricking moron.
>they're trying to copy Windows nostalgia instead of focusing on universal design principles.
Black person please, KDE 4 came before Windows 7. There is zero reasons to reinvent UX when the standard is good enough and they constantly refine the fonts, icons and the Breeze/Oxygen themes.
I will never use a tablet UI on my desktop
gnome has a much better keyboard centric workflow than KDE. just because it also works on touch devices isn't really a drawback.
What make it better? I can mimic my i3 workflow just fine with KDE so what make gnome more special?
>they're trying to copy Windows nostalgia instead of focusing on universal design principles.
What Windows lmao? Definitely not Win7. It would be upgrade if they did.
>Stick with GNOME if you want a desktop environment
hah, oh anon that made me laugh so hard.
>universal design principles
Universally shit.
Based.
It's because they don't look like Windows enough.
>menus are in a button
How the frick is there no system setting to turn off smartphone design? Why every one of these behave like a webpage in a browser that has no access to the system config and can only guess it's inside a smartphone because of the window width so it uses responsive design? Fricking ridiculous.
>universal design principles
You mean the thing GNOME is famous for not following?
>no dock or panel
>no traditional menu
>no tray
>no window buttons
moron
t. ebussy
GNOME hasn't been good since GNOME 2.
Indeed, they look healthy and customizable.
I have switched to KDE, and the design is very 9x ish but that isn't a bad thing since I can get work better done on it compared on gnome.
Breeze is just a really ugly icon theme.
i use papirus, but I think Gnome icons are even uglier
All themes look bad on KDE. Something about the padding and disposition of the elements of its apps looks off. It feels cluttered even when there are huge empty spaces.
Its because its all QtQuick crap instead of QtWidgets now, KDE 3.x didnt have this problem. The whole "Plasma" transition was the worst thing they couldve done
>Its because its all QtQuick crap instead of QtWidgets now
Tell me more about this. I looked up images of KDE 3 and its successor Trinity and although its themes feel "outdated", its apps certainly look more orderly than their KDE 5/6 equivalents.
man this looks pretty, and takes me back
abandoning this purely functional ux was moronic
Theres actually an official KDE project called "LiquidShell" which provides a session that uses QtWidgets for the panel and desktop widgets etc. but its very uncustomizable and wont solve the problem with most modern Krap apps being written in QML now. KDE 3.x was extremely customizable and the Plastik and Keramik themes at the time werent flatshit or full of whitespace.
pure kino
Man I miss KDE 3.5
It was a different time though, so it's not just that version of KDE I miss.
I miss talking to my internet friends on Kopete (through yahoo, msn or whatever, icq, and so on).
Computing in general seemed way more fun back then, everyone wasn't so jaded and worried about "omg this has to be flat webshit and look professional!!1!".
I wish I was using Linux back then
KDE had the perfect opportunity for the "25th Anniversary" edition to go back to their roots, but instead they wasted it
Globohomosexual flatness has been a disaster, its hopeless and full of despair. It really completes the whole vibe of 2024. We have to go back to skeuomorphism.
this 100%
kde 3.5 is something that has to be experienced to know what it was, that screenshot is just plain, it lacks the effects, the sounds, and whatever kde did that made it seem like a fun desktop
>kde 3.5 is something that has to be experienced to know what it was, that screenshot is just plain, it lacks the effects, the sounds, and whatever kde did that made it seem like a fun desktop
true
>KDE3.5
>2005
>released 2002
KDE3 was far superior to Windows XP at the time
Old school skeuomorphic graphics were the shit. I still use them on some old VMs.
QtQuick and QML are basically Javascript, so they've done the same as everyone else to force everything into being webshit instead of actually native widget toolkits that have consistency.
This is why i like rusttroons, they are the only ones who resist against webshit
Good point, indeed they even are pioneering WASM in order to go the other way and use native languages on the web rather than webshit on the desktop.
Hadn't really looked at it that way.
just use dark theme
KDE apps are meant for doing actual work with them.
GNOME apps are useless and designed with fapping to their design in mind (literally, that's how gnome devs get off, I know it's disgusting, remember about it next time you open a gnome app which was used many times by it's dev before, and only later released to you)
KDE3 was good, peak of the Linux desktop
but KDE5 and 6 are great tools for getting your job done too
I personally use qtquick as a (non kde) developer and can say its not the cause of the kde theming issues. QtQuick themes are actual|y considerably easier technologically than widgets, while also having a more efficient render pipeline. The problem is that kde fricked it up and didnt make the themes match across them which was totally moronic. If they did it properly you would not be able to easily tell.
The biggest real problems with qtquick are that quick/widgets themes are different due to the new rendering pipeline and they picked fricking js to base qml on. Luckily it does not perform like a web browser and is designed in a way that you dont need the normal js framework bloatware garbage.
Can go into detail if you like.
Massive toolbars with huge margins they made for people with below average IQ. It's not even titlebar just shitty toolbars and nasty folder icons. I'm not even gnometard and i hate it.
Plasma 6 is a nice UI improvement.
I'm glad they finally removed those obnoxious colored frames. Those were a big reason why kde apps looked so visually cluttered.
Gnome is a master class in bad UI design. The fact that KDE looks different from Gnome is a good thing.
I only use GUI applications made using tk. Everything else is CLI
I can't put my finger on it, but I feel the same.
I guess it all either feels bigger or smaller than it has to be for it to be sleek like GNOME is. I have a few issues with GNOME, but when it comes to it looking good, I can't complain at all, so modern.
I mean, KDE's known for being easy to customize, are there any simple ways to make it look like its actually GNOME at least in its UI elements and their sizes? I think it'd make me appreciate KDE's customization and features a whole lot more too.
I miss Unity by the way.
unity was the bomb.
it would look better with the modern design language than others trying to replicate the same.
I can't believe that Unity7 was so fricking good and recognized you would even see it on Hollywood movies/shows and anime and they decided to kill it because Gnome told them to, I will never fricking forgive them (both) for it
>and they decided to kill it because Gnome told them to, I will never fricking forgive them (both) for it
Wasn't it Canonical's own decision though?
Nope they were forced by Gnome, they were rejecting all type of bug fixes and patches for GTK and Gnome, and at some point Gnome/GTK(RedHat) Devs started bullying Canonical devs, honestly I don't understand why Sutthleworth doesn't fricking despises them
Cosmic will probably go the same way. It's (relatively) easy to make a WM/Compositor but Gnome will go out of their way to frick with them through control of GTK. I don't understand why QT isn't more widely used. GTK has been an obviously partisan extension of Gnome since 3.
Frick... I hate GNOME even more now.
I'm convinced some of them are intentionally sabotaging linux.
Do you have a single source to back this up?
>Gnome will go out of their way to frick with them through control of GTK.
1. COSMIC doesn't use GTK at all. They're using iced to make the DE. s76 simply chose to make COSMIC look like GNOME for some reason.
2. Only GNOME's small circle of one-trick apps follow their moronic demands. The actually relevant software that uses GTK (Firefox, LibreOffice, GIMP) doesn't give a frick about what GNOMEgays have to say.
Go to Reddit (I know shut up) and search posts regarding Unity7 and Gnome 3 from 2010 to 2015, Shuttleworth himself commented on those post because of how heated shit got it was fun to watch, I personally was using Plasma 4 because I liked Oxygen more than Ambience, but the desktop layout was/is better in Unity7 than Plasma
LibreOffice isn't GTK, they just have their own framework which allows it to be either .NET, GTK or Qt, depending on the platform, so it integrates pretty nicely.
Unity was Qt. However the rest of Ubuntu desktop was GTK.
Ubuntu should have switched entirely to KDE and cooperate with KDE devs (which were willing) to create best possible desktop experience possible.
Instead they went with foot and now Ubuntu is a 2nd class citizen and generally bullied by RedHat/GNOME all the time. Serves them well.
>I can't believe that Unity7 was so fricking good and recognized you would even see it on Hollywood movies/shows and anime and they decided to kill it
this
>but KDE apps just don't look as slick and clean as GNOME.
maybe because they have actually useful features in buttons and panels, not hidden in an overflow menu? Gnome looks good because it uses obscurity to achieve minimalism.
source: gnome user
whatever the off whites and grays they are using are making it look like an ancient ui
I like both. I set up my .bash_profile to launch GNOME on odd days and KDE on even.
would that even be possible in theory? or would it break too much shit as you'd use the apps on both? practically speaking I mean, since I know you could have two DEs installed but I never heard of daily usage of both DEs.
I don't like the gnome 3 desktop but i prefer GTK themes over Qt ones. I feel GTK is more consistent than plasma/Qt when it comes to theming.
that's why I use XFCE. legacy desktop paradigm with somehow modern themes.
Whats that theme and icon set?
gtk theme is plain adwaita-dark, default gtk theme in xfce.
icon theme is newaita-reborn (dark)
It's because it doesn't look like an Android copy, you're mentally challenged and need everything to look like in your smartphone
The obsession with the letter K makes it feel amateurish, especially when they aren't consistent all the way through with it. You have 20 programs that all contain a K with some weird deliberate misspelling but then there's "discover" spelled properly. I mean why not just make it "diskover"? I'm starting to think gnome has the right idea in calling their programs what they are instead of trying to be clever. Just call the music app "music" and be done with it.
Indeed my good Sir ! I too only use the most professional of software !
Yeah I bet you do "sir"
Anyway picrel is impossible to replicate in KDE 6 btw
how do i fix this?
Use-case unclear -> Issue Closed
>slick and clean
zoomer detected
>It's another KDE vs. GNOME thread for UIs.
I mean, this is pointless, we all know Windows has much better UI than both of these guys.
It looks nice but it's useless.
>useless
Because that's basically common KDE panel bug, it's just damn funny how windows user think it's fine
It looks like chinkshit phone UIs and is even worse to use. W10 was already bad with its bad blend of flatshit from W8 and glossy shit from iOS, but W11 mamaged to make it worse by replacing old programs with webshit apps that have huge empty spaces, no options and are 5x slower to run and use even on recent hardware.
>windows desktop
have a nice day. you are an incompetent imbecile. one day maybe you will grasp how pathetic you were.
kde went to shit when they dumped kandalf for the gay dragon
Which KDE apps?
I don't know OP but breeze indeed looks like dogshit
And there's another issue, most decorations suck monkey dick and most custom window borders make animations laggy. And if you try to use Kvantum, holy shit. It's frustrating as frick.
I don't particularly like how primitive GNOME is in some aspects. But it does look at least like something you'd put on a laptop and brag about. Not this. This is like a cheap Windows clone.
Also I'd say the biggest problem is padding. It just looks off and it's not exactly the easiest thing to customize about plasma. Or any other DE for that matter. Padding between elements is just fricking weird. I'd like a Cinnamon Plasma so I could enjoy the looks of Cinnamon with the functionality of Plasma. Every attempt at a classic theme that's not hacky as shit I've seen on Plasma just looks wrong, it's like it's designed to use flatshit and symbolic icons all over.
Gnome is form over function, KDE is function over form. They both lean hard into their design goals, so it can be polarizing. iToddlers tend to gravitate toward gnome because of the rounded corners, but leave because Gnome is useless trash and because they're too moronic to figure it out anyways. KDE's defaults aren't for everyone, but it's fully customizable. Unfortunately, figuring out how to customize it is too hard for the average dip shit, so they end up either quitting or sperging out about it.
KDE is fully customizable, however you gotta rely on not using anything available on the KDE store to make it look decent. Essentially, you gotta go out of your fricking way to make it not look like dogshit.
what's "useless" about gnome? I've used both and I work faster in gnome. I just use 6 workspaces and I never have to reach for the mouse.
KDE has looked like shite since the first release 1998.
KDE is stuck in the old desktop paradigm
>start-button+taskbar+systray
It's not old, it's the only paradigm that makes sense. Even WMs use it. Your post is like claiming that wheels have outdated design and we should now create them in the shape of the box. 2+2=4 is also outdated right?
it is outdated, WMs only have a bar to show what workspace you're on. he's referring to the windows "show open apps on taskbar" paradigm, which Mac/gnome/tiling WMs don't use.
macOS has a dock though
It can be really useful to have a way of checking which main applications are opened without having to do anything at all or having to display -all- of them on different parts of the screen.
gnome also has a dock in the applications overview. and thankfully, unlike mac, it doesn't intrude normal usage by showing up whenever the mouse moves at the bottom. Also no gross empty space to the sides.
you can mimic almost any workflow on any DE. I'm just talking about the defaults. The only thing I change on a fresh GNOME install is binding SUPER+n to change workspaces (besides cosmetic shit like theming).
No, instead you get some gross empty space at the top because a global menu and tray icons are unnecessary
I just love the hustle and bustle of big gnome
just don't use the stock skin on KDE, Breeze is ugly
You can just install CDE
I hate those thin lines Breeze uses so fricking much. And the neony accent color.
It has a weird blue detergent tint that looks clinical. Gnome only looks better because it has a dark theme. Too bad gnome doesn't have features anyway.
it's just garbage design language. in your screenshot for example, notice how the taskbar icons are different sizes. it just looks gross.