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  1. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    >read an English translation
    you haven't read a singular word Hegel has written in your life. You didn't "get" anything. You still need to start with him to begin with.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's funny you mention that, because I actually *have* read some of him in German. Not that it matters. Take that smirk off your face, now.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Congrats. Great book. Not as hard as made out to be and very rewarding. I've read Pinkard and Miller. Both are good translations. Just ordered a third copy. Lookin forward to my third journey through. Then afterward I will perhaps start the Science of Logic.

      Ignore this gay unless you are planning on doing school for German philosophy. Latin and Greek are better for philosophy in general anyway too.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        You are the uneducated philistine here, thinking German is not worth learning. If you don't know Latin, Attic Greek, German, French, and English at minimum, by 25, you have been wasting your time. The texts are completely different if you read a "translation". You will be estranged even more from the author's true meaning, as language is the medium by which the logos is communicated.

        That's funny you mention that, because I actually *have* read some of him in German. Not that it matters. Take that smirk off your face, now.

        Good. Learn German. Once you have, read the German version with the English version adjacent. Then you will be even closer to what Hegel z"l meant to convene.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Source; dude trust me bro

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >logos
          >communicated
          someone didn't start with the presocratics

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        NTA but Hegel’s philosophy is the hardest philosophical system which I have ever tried to comprehend in my life. Having to constantly frame his thought in relation to Kant and keep his sayings on their proper ontic level while reading is insanely hard. I genuinely don’t think there was a smarter human being that lived. (other than Jesus Christ) I have not seriously struggled with any other philosopher after reading Hegel

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Hegel’s philosophy is the hardest philosophical system which I have ever tried to comprehend in my life.
          I don't doubt you, but a lot of people say Kant is difficult to understand and took years to read, while in reality he is kind of simple once you understand what he going for.
          Maybe most people just arent meant to read philosophy ???

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Name 1 (one) that is harder

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >missed the point as expected from a dweller
            Im saying philosophy isnt hard if you have the mental faculty required and have already grasped the divine

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ignore hylic posters

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous
          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >le wake up sheeple guy
            RAW for Orientalist Victorians

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            So did you not read him or not get him?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >everyone who disagrees is not a true reader of my favorite scotsman wanker
            RAW is literally one of the biggest Gurdjeff promoters in modernity. As well as a promoter of Crowley and other such degeneracy. Just go to church, Be a good person. Practice self control. Read books about what interests you. Gurdjeff lived and died as did we all. Beign a cult leader is a bit of a fakir thing used by egotists to distract from emptiness. Don't envy sad people like that.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            No one has ever bettered themselves from studying cult leaders like Gurdjieff because you will sponge more of how a cult leader behaves than whatever they peddle. That’s why only degenerate actors and singers unironically worship gurus and why degenerate gurus seek out actors and singers to worship them—they’re the same people

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I have not seriously struggled with any other philosopher after reading Hegel
          This. Even if you don't like Hegel taking the time and effort to understand him(made easier if you looking into Fiche and Schelling beforehand) gives you the ability to read any philosopher regardless of time and era.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Not as hard as made out to be and very rewarding
        frick you

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >reading Hegel
      >eating a Hegel with lox and Cream Cheese

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >no sublative schmear

        ngmi

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      *crack* *sip* yeah I love my hegelian filtration unit 5000. Yeah I just put a zoomer in and get a zero ultra out.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'll take an everything Hegel with cream cheese, sir.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      So i guess if i ask you what is the meaning that only few can reach you will amswer either:
      a)You are to Low IQ to understand/You are not the choosen one
      Or
      b)I am not here to educate you do your homework

      Right?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Isnt this the book some Germans will read the English translation of just because its not as diffucult/archaic

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hegel's German is exact and simple. The way German was meant to be used.

        Source; dude trust me bro

        3rd worldie detected! If you don't know those languages by 25 you are in fact, uneducated

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Do people really do this? Just go on the internet and tell lies? Seems so sad... :'/

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Can I get an everything Hegel with jelly and cream?

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Why should I care if I’m educated or not?

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          yea I'd like a steak egg and cheese hegel with orange juice and a side of hash browns

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, morning, so lemme get an oatmilk latte, *hot,* and a cream-cheese everything Hegel, thanks.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >oatmilk latte
            just a step down from goymilk

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah can I get a large fries with that and a mayo chicken on the side, thanks.

  2. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    can you give me too?

  3. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Explain it

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      He can't be arsed.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Explain what? The Phenomenology? That's a phenomenal task.

  4. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    I also get it but I can't express it into words. I'm struggling to find the right determinations to express the significance of the text.

  5. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Make sure you also read, in order to get it in its full truth, the "three Theban plays" (Oedipus Rex, oder Oedipus Tyrannus, oder Oedipus the King; Oedipus at Colonus; and especially Antigone).

  6. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    There's a lot of prep reading for Hegel which I haven't done, but can I still just dive in assuming I'm extremely intelligent?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Read the preface. If you can follow then good proceed just take it slow maybe take notes. Pinkard has good bio if anglo like me.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      You of course can dive in. But you still won't understand it. I don't believe even Hegel would've understood the monumental significance of what he wrote looking back it retrospectively. Every passage, every paragraph, every word must be tackled and fought to wrest the meaning from it. It's just simple brute force. No reading will prepare you.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sounds like you are describing psychosis.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, just autism. If you aren't autistic, congrats; live your life. Hegel is only for the actually gifted, albeit the celibate.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ahh so its the "gifted" card today.
            Alright anons, keep on gifting.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Consciousness is psychosis

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            How does he know all that if he does not know what reallity is?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Checked. He's just doin the best he can. Given the anecdote I think he meant something more along the lines of, "I don't understand reality, yet there it is."

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          No, just autism. If you aren't autistic, congrats; live your life. Hegel is only for the actually gifted, albeit the celibate.

          Consciousness is psychosis

          KEK

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ahh so its the "gifted" card today.
            Alright anons, keep on gifting.

            Breakdown of Bicameral Mind
            Shape of Ancient Thought
            Intellectual Adventure of Ancient Man
            Language and Myth
            Primitive Man as Philosopher

            Just remember you must go forward not backward to be a Hyperborean Conanian Absolute Knower Ubermensch

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            You want me to go forward by recomending me "Bicameral Mind" theory which is based on a hunch?
            Alright im outa this thread.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            You've just struck upon the Universal. Your language just gave you away.
            "I'm out of this thread."
            He says this in the present tense. Yet as he types the sentence, placing the last period in the sentence, he remains in the thread. He must still linger to post the post: still he is in the thread. So in a sense he lied: what he meant is not what he said. He said, "I'm out of this thread," yet he had to remain in it in order to say that he would be out. Language is the more truthful, a la, he *will* be out, though not quite, an it please thee.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Dear anon,
            its called a figure of speech.
            I thought "Hyperborean Conanian Absolute Knower Ubermensch" will get it.
            My bad..
            Yours trully,
            Anon

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            NTA but that anon is also NTA (know cause am og hyperborean ubermensch) but I was also NTA in first place. Telephones with noise in information networks

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Telephones with noise in information networks
            huh what u mean???

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            There is a short circuit between the very ancient tradition of angels in monotheistic or polytheistic traditions and the jobs now about messages, messenger and so on. I think that this connection, between ancient time and new time is very interesting to understand. In one hand the ancient forms and ancient traditions and in other hand the new and the real jobs about medias. Because our job – your job is to receive messages, to translate messages, and to send messages in some respect. Your work is about messages. You are a messenger. I am a messenger. Our job is about messages.

            People conceptualise the present day as a time when there has been a rupture with the past. We must deliberately make a link between the two.

            The problem is to think about the historic link between ancient time and the new world because this link is cut and many people think about our time without reference to traditions. But if you read the amount of books about angelology in the middle ages, if you translate certain words into modern language you see that all the problems were about translation, about messages. These are exactly our problems. When you put a short circuit, you obtain sparkles and these sparkles give light to the traditions and our jobs.

            Part of the effect of using the trope of the angel to understand communication seems to me to invest our world, the modern world with a sense of the sacred. Would you agree with that? Maybe you would make a distinction between the sacred and the spiritual.

            The reason why angels are invisible is because they are disappearing to let the message go through them.

            If you read medieval angelology you find exactly the same demonstrations because all the problems for angelology – what is a message? who are the messengers? what is the messenger’s body? – like Saint Thomas Aquinas, the early church fathers, the Pseudo-Dionysius, and so on.

            This is what I began to find when I looked at scholastic philosophy. Having thought it was full of ridiculous problems about angels on pinheads I found that serious problems were simply framed in this vocabulary.

            But there is a duality to the mediating third position of angels and demons or daimons... We might distinguish the daimons that communicate info for the former and the daimons of noise for the latter.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Very nice

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Context matters for understanding time as expressed by language. You may be schizophrenic. Failure to comprehend metaphorical, abstract language is characteristic of the disorder. It's called concrete thinking.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            All language can only express the universal. "I'm out of this thread". Which I? Which thread? This statement can apply to any subject leaving any thread.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Don’t listen to that moron. Just read Plato, Aristotle, Hume, Spinoza, and Kant in that order to be able to understand Hegel. Granted, you won’t get all of the flavor of his thought with only that grounding but it’s the bare minimum to be able to distinguish what Hegel thinks from what this moron magic-poster above thinks Hegel is on about. Alternatively, you could read some secondary material on Hegel. (frowning on secondary material is the defining feature of midwit psueds) I would recommend Emancipation After Hegel by Todd McGowan for the most accessible introduction to dialectics. There’s also Zizek but he’s not really for beginners due to just how scattered his writing is and how he presumes you to have a collegiate level understanding of most of the major intellectual movements of the 20th century.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Waste of time to read any of those thinkers. If you are interested solely in, and are only passionate for, Hegel, then forcing yourself to read his influences and predecessors is tantamount to torture. What Hegel is, is all already there. That being said, a good commentary, such as Hegel's Ladder by H.S. Harris, should do the trick as a side-by-side text to be compared to.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >midwit
            >I recommend...
            >McGowan
            >Zizek
            Top kek. Peak projection.

            Waste of time to read any of those thinkers. If you are interested solely in, and are only passionate for, Hegel, then forcing yourself to read his influences and predecessors is tantamount to torture. What Hegel is, is all already there. That being said, a good commentary, such as Hegel's Ladder by H.S. Harris, should do the trick as a side-by-side text to be compared to.

            This a real hegel homie

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Hume, Spinoza
            Useless.

  7. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    No language is magical. israelites will claim Hebrew is language of Gods. Pooinloos do same with Sanskit. The Germanophilia of Kantians and Hegelians and Heideggerians is but another manifestation.

    You should indeed learn ancient language and modern languages if seeking to be true intellectual tho.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      t. muttboi butthurt that he's speaking a non-magical language

  8. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    EXISTENCE IS QUALITY:
    APPEARANCE IS QUANTITY
    THE ABSOLUTE IS RELATION
    ACTUALITY IS MODALITY

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      >4 categories
      debunked by peirce, there's only 3.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        what book/article? i have excerpts. also i don;t read German

        the absolute is merely the absolute relation as absolute form, it is virtual relation. unless you're saying pierce gets rid of modality in which case i'll take seven

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          I actually have a picture of it on my phone, brb

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        what book/article? i have excerpts. also i don;t read German

        the absolute is merely the absolute relation as absolute form, it is virtual relation. unless you're saying pierce gets rid of modality in which case i'll take seven

        I actually have a picture of it on my phone, brb

        it's from the first (maybe second?) chapter of Charles S. Peirce's Phenomenology: Analysis and Consciousness by Richard Atkins. really good source, unfortunately it's expensive and not on libgen.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          actually it's on Anna's archive... hallelujah 😀

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Army, Air Force, or LARPer?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Army, wouldn't catch me dead in the chair force

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Oh neat, didn't think to see someone from my branch on this board. Enlisted or officer?

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Enlisted. I might go officer some time in the future if I want to make this my career, but I'm currently leaning to serving my contract and going back into academia.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well if you ever run into a manlet infantry NCO with huge bags under his eyes on Fort Riley be sure to say hi, we could discuss Hegel or something for a couple minutes before I get a call and have to pick up a soldier from the drunk tank again.

  9. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ive reread the preface and 2-3 chapters in like 3 times now. Too dumb for this shit but its interesting

  10. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: people getting that they're not getting it.

  11. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    so I start with the greeks and then where do I jump to?

  12. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    This book opened my mind. I have started seeing the concept everywhere and behind every thing though seeing is the wrong word it's more like consciously experiencing the moments of activity. It's being alive and knowing it but not the way I used to know it.

  13. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Trans dialectics is hegelian dialectics.

  14. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    why bother with Hegel when you can skip straight to Adorno

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Redpill me on Adorno.

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because adorno is in his proper place as an addendum to hegel. People think adorno is just a sad israelite because they don't do the prerequisite readings of Hegel and Kant and Adorno himself always points back to the germans as he well should.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        Negative dialectics is a misunderstanding of Hegel. A worthless work much like Sartre's oeuvre. Frankfurt school was a mistake. But then again so was Marxism/Young (left) Hegelianism...

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you skip to Adorno you'll just find him telling you to go back to Hegel

  15. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    where the FRICK does he argue that every concept requires a form of cognition? that is merely the absolute concept

  16. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Give me a cream-cheese Hegel-bagel.

  17. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    /you can't bridge the noumena phenomena schism sorry homosexual

    Redf fox out

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't you apologize about Hegel the other day, motherfricker?

      [Dedalus out.]

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      It’s not that he bridges the gap, he just says that there isn’t one. If you look at Kant’s philosophy from an effective view the noumena really doesn’t add anything at all. Again, in the effective view, we can now just take the noumena and discard it without losing anything from Kant at all. The way he actually proves that the noumena doesn’t exist is more complicated and involves working through the contradictions of Kant’s own philosophy. Essentially, since identity is composed by self-referential difference (absolute difference) we cannot speak of an apple without implicitly speaking of a not pear or a not cherry etc. The web of negations to an identity is what gives it its structure. When we speak of things-in-themselves we are injecting a false dichotomy where things can be in-themselves and for-us. The operation of contradiction works on the level of the for-us and presents a “proof” of the essence of the in-itself by working through consciousness. But, this distinction of in-itself and for-us takes place in consciousness and as such we can say that the thing itself is in-itself-for-us. Thus, the path we take to the Truth in-itself that we thought was exterior to the truth is actually itself predicated on a distinction which takes place in consciousness. We have to posit the thing-itself as the base of transcendental philosophy in order to prove that it exists. Here’s Hegel’s own words on it:
      >The content, however, of what presents itself to us does exist for it [for the consciousness]; we comprehend only the formal aspect of that content, or it’s pure origination. For it, what has thus arisen exists only as an object; for us, it appears at the same time as movement and a process of becoming.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >When we speak of things-in-themselves we are injecting a false dichotomy where things can be in-themselves and for-us.
        I don't understand this, especially the sense of "for-us." Nothing in the world is for me as if it was wrapped up as a gift with a bow on top. It's just there, regardless if I'm there or not. Seems like a weird solipsism.

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't understand this, especially the sense of "for-us."
          Try to think of it as being-for-other rather than use the of "for us." I think that's where the solipsistic part of your argument is emerging from. Objects, things, and people implicitly exist as beings-in-themselves, and are also beings-for-themselves, but they also necessarily have being-for-another. Being-in-itself (Ansichsein) and being-for-itself (Fuersichsein) are the same as, and are logically necessitated by, being-for-another. The person's or object's being-in-and-for-itself would have no validity, no existence, without its recognition by another. The person or object must be for another what it is in itself.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            I missed the crucial conclusion. The concept is simple: the object's essence, its identity of being in and for itself, is its absolute recognition by another. Its being-in-itself is its being-for-another.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Is being-for-other related to appearances and how being-in-itself "communicates" with itself?

        • 8 months ago
          Anonymous

          Spirit is being-for-another. The German word for existence is Dasein, and existence posits that being is sufficiently for-itself. But it is not in-itself, because it is not reflected into anything. But since Being and Becoming exist, there is a for-itself that brings spirit to a certain point. So being is presented to us as a given thing, in the same way that concepts are given to us: being is reflected in our cognition and as a consequence of this, being-for-another (us) is essentially the subjective concept as such.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, but to be more precise, Spirit is what is itself in its being-for-another. The simplest form of Spirit is found in consciousness, as Hegel says at the beginning of the Philosophy of Spirit, in the Encyclopedia. Consciousness can possess external determinations, while still being itself, while what is not spiritual, natural entities, are incapable of mantaining their self-identity when external determinations are posited in them. So, consciousness can endure the determination "tree" (by thinking it, percieving, etc) while still remaining consciousness; on the other hand if you add, say, the determination of a different weight to an atom of gold, the atom will lose its properties and become something else.
            Consciousness of course is the simplest determination of Spirit because its determination are external: consciousness can merely endure them. In Absolute Spirit those determinations are not external anymore, since they have been fully produced by Spirit (and since this production was necessary for Spirit to be itself).

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            >since they have been fully produced by Spirit

            esentially doing the same thing as being, yes.

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            yes yes... indubitably so

          • 8 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, but to be more precise, Spirit is what is itself in its being-for-another. The simplest form of Spirit is found in consciousness, as Hegel says at the beginning of the Philosophy of Spirit, in the Encyclopedia. Consciousness can possess external determinations, while still being itself, while what is not spiritual, natural entities, are incapable of mantaining their self-identity when external determinations are posited in them. So, consciousness can endure the determination "tree" (by thinking it, percieving, etc) while still remaining consciousness; on the other hand if you add, say, the determination of a different weight to an atom of gold, the atom will lose its properties and become something else.
            Consciousness of course is the simplest determination of Spirit because its determination are external: consciousness can merely endure them. In Absolute Spirit those determinations are not external anymore, since they have been fully produced by Spirit (and since this production was necessary for Spirit to be itself).

            yes yes... indubitably so

            But Dasein is being towards death. Hegel's master-slave dialectic is reversed because it's corrupted by Christianity. Hegel was banging his maid when he wrote it.

  18. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Same, all it took for me is to read the preface and I GOT Hegel. Don't even need to read the rest

  19. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    You got Hegel's poz? Good.

  20. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    bump

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      OP here, thanks for the bump. The Phenomenology is life affirming in so many wonderful and wondrous ways.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        i'm bumping because I want an answer to my question:

        >When we speak of things-in-themselves we are injecting a false dichotomy where things can be in-themselves and for-us.
        I don't understand this, especially the sense of "for-us." Nothing in the world is for me as if it was wrapped up as a gift with a bow on top. It's just there, regardless if I'm there or not. Seems like a weird solipsism.

      • 8 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The Phenomenology is life affirming in so many wonderful and wondrous ways.
        Name 5 (Five).

  21. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    why would you ruin this for me?

    • 8 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because, dialectically, ruin gives way to rebirth, the entity of which is stronger than ever.

  22. 8 months ago
    Anonymous

    Incarnation of God's Will Manifested in Relatable/Empircal Human Form
    >this way God can communicate with you morons in your simple languages/memes/shitposts...

    Remember, Earth is God's Real Heaven/Hell...

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