I got a gig teaching Latin at a high ranked university and in the first class I was trying to explain the cases and said nominative signifies the subj...

I got a gig teaching Latin at a high ranked university and in the first class I was trying to explain the cases and said nominative signifies the subject and accusative the object. 90% of the class hit me with a fluoride stare and someone asked what those mean. Shit like this has just continued. I said for instance "Caesar wrote DBG" and they asked who Caesar was. Made a reference to Alexander and they had no clue who he was.
It's completely over, zoomers are fricked. These are the smartest zoomers too, it's not some shitty community college. School and parents have completely failed them.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    that didn't happen. you don't even have a job.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You didn't even post this. You're not here. You never were.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I am in college at high ranked university at it seems possible.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You didn't do the usual
    He hit me
    Him hit I
    Thing?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Somehow landed a professorship without remembering the most basic pedagogy.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I didn’t learn nominative, accusative, genitive, etc until my junior year of college when I was studying Old English. They just don’t teach it anymore because it’s not “necessary” for the moronic kids to know it.
    The result of that is that when the smart kids finally move on to stuff like learning linguistics or different languages, their professors have to waste time teaching them shit they should’ve learned in middle school.
    Godspeed anon. You can reech deez keedz

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I don't know what nominative or accusative are either thoughbeit

      They didn't even know what subject/object meant

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Then teach them homie. Blud can't believe he has to do his job lmao.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Shut up, Jamal.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are zoomers so moronic?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Broooo his hair looks so cool

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        fr fr no cap

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Their whole world is just their phone and their gaming station, usually a PC. Everything they know, think, do is informed by that experience as an animal of Discord, TikTok, Red Dead Redemption 2, etc.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >why does every generation think subsequent generations are moronic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are not biologically dumber than millennials it’s just a combination of being born in a moronic time and nihilism. Zoomers were born in a completely cynical time period where the majority of the elite see the humanities as pointless. Previously people had some vague sense that higher order culture like Vergil or Dante was important even if they never read them. People had some general built in historical context to their lives as being descended from a great tradition. Zoomers live in a contextless culture desert of the eternal present. They don’t care about the classics because they are disconnected from any common tradition or heritage. Every zoomer who speaks English grew up online with the same subcultures and media. Millennials are basically the same just a little less extreme version.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >millennials are basically the same as z**mers
        I do say, I take umbrage at thy assertion!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anglo-Zoomers are like the telepathic generation from Childhood's End and the internet is the Devil

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >zoomers are... LE STUPID!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yeah, zoomers get hamfisted gay Black person propaganda in school and that's it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they are though

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    When did they stop teaching syntax in the USA?
    In my country they have been trying to phase it out, but it's thankfully seeing some opposition to it by teacher.
    But then the problem becomes that newer teachers also don't know syntax.

    That's a tough part of teaching Latin, or Greek or any language with grammatical cases really, when the students have no idea of syntax and sentence structure.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      32 years old here and I never learned it in school. Not in any of my English classes nor in the two years of Spanish I took in high school. Didn't learn about accusative/genitive/etc until I learned German on my own reading textbooks. So, it could make some sense for the students not knowing that since they're a decade younger than I am. Them not knowing Caesar and Alexander is bizarre though.

      [...]
      They didn't even know what subject/object meant

      What the frick? I didn't get the syntax terminology in school, but this is just basic ass grammar they should've learned in 5th grade.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Liar or you forgot you learned it in elementary. Syntax was taught in 3rd/4th grade curriculum, along with context clues and basic literary analysis
        >t. younger than you

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >not knowing Caesar and Alexander is bizarre though.

        Not if you pronouce it Kai-czar and Alay-shandre the way OP does.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lmao. That conception of OP didn't come to my mind, but it's perfect.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know what nominative or accusative are either thoughbeit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Go back to sharty

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How?

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sheeeeesh OP is on god cheugy af fr

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I ask questions like this too, I know the answers already but I like to have a round understanding of things

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Give them an example
    Maybe the understand but just aren't familiar with the terminology

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Then teach them homie. Blud can't believe he has to do his job lmao.

      32 years old here and I never learned it in school. Not in any of my English classes nor in the two years of Spanish I took in high school. Didn't learn about accusative/genitive/etc until I learned German on my own reading textbooks. So, it could make some sense for the students not knowing that since they're a decade younger than I am. Them not knowing Caesar and Alexander is bizarre though.

      [...]
      What the frick? I didn't get the syntax terminology in school, but this is just basic ass grammar they should've learned in 5th grade.

      When during the pandemic I was bored and decided to teach my little cousins some Latin I made exercises (in Spanish) for them to recognize syntax and the function of words in a sentence.
      They'd be stuff like:

      The farmer grows corn.
      And they'd have to underline the subject, verb and object, pretty simple. I would then add in more complex sentences with more parts.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am "learning" German, which really so far has just been trying my damnedest to memorise the case endings and use them in fluid speech without stopping to go through a mental chart for 20 seconds. If you speak english you don't need cases so none of them should be expected to. If you are teaching cases, you must teach how english works first.

    Stop being an elitest who has forgotten the beginner mind.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Bro is teaching Latin 101 and he's expecting the students to be expert Latin scholars and expert Grammarians. You're the moron here.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >expert Grammarians
      If a university student can't tell you what the subject and object of a sentence are they really shouldn't be there.
      It's the most basics of basics.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It is catastrophically bad for even first year students not in a Classics major to have no idea what these are. How could you not know who Julius Caesar was? To say that you’d be uneducated would be an understatement.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ayo teach!
    >Who be dis seizure homie?
    >Dat da pizza man?
    >I's sure do loves me some crazy bread

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sorry you're going through this, anon, but I can't help but feel a little vindicated. I almost transferred to Dartmouth but instead ended up at a small liberal arts college. I'm taking intro Latin this year using Wheelock's and though we're not completely through it yet we're already starting to translate Cicero, Tacitus and the Vulgate. All the cases, conjugations, declensions, etc were all last semester - we're at this point just combing through Gildersleeve's and pulling out all the grammar. I'm not saying this to brag or anything, but rest assured that some of the kids are alright, and that Latin scholarship does have a future. What textbook(s) are you using? Any more horror stories?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's fricking awesome
      Do you want to work as a Latin translator?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's definitely something I'd consider, and I think there's still a market for it. IIRC a lot of St. Albert the Great's works remain translated, incompletely translated or haven't had fresh translations in centuries, and that's just one guy. I'd love to translate something like the Periphyseon though. All of this, however, is if I get good enough. Law's the failsafe.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This anon

        https://i.imgur.com/LeYBFb0.jpg

        Sorry you're going through this, anon, but I can't help but feel a little vindicated. I almost transferred to Dartmouth but instead ended up at a small liberal arts college. I'm taking intro Latin this year using Wheelock's and though we're not completely through it yet we're already starting to translate Cicero, Tacitus and the Vulgate. All the cases, conjugations, declensions, etc were all last semester - we're at this point just combing through Gildersleeve's and pulling out all the grammar. I'm not saying this to brag or anything, but rest assured that some of the kids are alright, and that Latin scholarship does have a future. What textbook(s) are you using? Any more horror stories?

        again. I was curious - the biggest problem I have with Latin is simply remembering all of the morphology. It just feels like too much to keep up with. Are there any good methods of learning it/sources to use? Vocabulary is also difficult, but I think that's a little more self-explanatory to learn.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Latin accidence is not complicated.
          5 declensions
          4 conjugations
          Simple as

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good to hear anon. I learned with a mix of Wheelock's and LLPSI and I'm using the same to teach.
      Not too many horror stories, they're not bad kids it's just they were failed by public school. Generally any time I made a reference to English grammar they had no clue what I was talking about so I had to teach both English grammar and Latin.

      This anon [...] again. I was curious - the biggest problem I have with Latin is simply remembering all of the morphology. It just feels like too much to keep up with. Are there any good methods of learning it/sources to use? Vocabulary is also difficult, but I think that's a little more self-explanatory to learn.

      Just write the declensions down a billion times and repeat them in your head. Then read tons of easy literature, like the Vulgate. Eventually they'll just become second nature. Even the weird ones that are rarely ever used like 3rd person plural imperative will come. Also try writing stuff in Latin, since it will force you to find the right declension.
      As for vocab, I struggled with it too. I hate using Anki which is probably the most effective method, but if you don't mind Anki I'd recommend it. I'd also say listen to as much Latin as possible since we tend to remember words we've heard more easily. Keep a sheet with common vocab you just can't remember and review every day. Read tons and tons of Latin.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I had to take four years of Latin in high school, I got placed into one Latin course I had to take in uni to fulfill the language requirement.

    The uni course was the only time I ever got an A in a Latin class, ever.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lmao nice fanfic. Zoomers are by far the most literate generation we've had since the Lost Generation. Half of zoomers are reading obscure theologico-alchemical treatises in their spare time, the other half reads British political economy to falicitate a better understanding of Marx. Millenials were the trough on the literacy curve, zoomers are ascending and will deliver us from the dark ages

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Insane zoomer cope. Most people above 30 think zoomers are functionally moronic, and they’re right. You are not highly literate, and you are certainly not well-read, just because you can just barely parse Discord chats. Simply being able to read and comprehend basic English has always been the absolute bare minimum, and that’s where zoomers are. You only think they’re most literate because you think being literate means more people can read very simple English.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They’re just playing Fortnite and watching TikToks while taking hormones lol

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      skimming derrida while you dilate is not being well read

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I remember watching somewhat recently an old comedy show. The comedian mentioned Clovis, King of the Franks.

    And we are not France. Nowadays, I wonder how that would go.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That is just sad, while I am only 19, I have had 4 years of instruction for Latin.

    We were taught as follows:
    Nominative - Subject
    Genitive - Possessive
    Dative - Indirect Object (a.k.a the object not directly being acted upon)
    Accusative - Direct Object (a/k/a the object being directly acted upon)
    Ablative - Catch all, usually from, with, in, on, or by something.
    Vocative - Direct Address
    Locative - In the place of something.

    Almost all first declension nouns are feminine except for PAIN occupation nouns (Poeta, Pirata, et al.).
    Second declension masculine can also be feminine, but only for types of trees.
    Third has the I-Stem subset
    Fourth declension needs context for conjugation.
    Neuter is neuter always, no exceptions.

    That was the second chapter we did, the first was on verbs. Did they struggle with verbs, anon?

    P.S: May God bear mercy onto these students' souls. (I-Stems, special case datives, accusatives and ablatives, UNUS NAUTA adjectives, irregular comparatives and superlatives, let alone subjects and passives [especially periphrastic usages]).

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Comprehensible input is the most important thing. Explicit understanding of grammar can serve as an aid to it, but it's not the ultimate objective, only a means.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is a cope. OP was not trying to teach them esoteric aspects of Latin grammar, just the bare basics. I agree with CI but you can't teach unmotivated morons Latin no matter how much Roma in Italia est they read.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not like there weren't native speakers in the Roman Empire who didn't know anything about grammar. I think it's possible in principle, just not advisable.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well there were yeah but it's basically impossible to get the amount of input required for that. Teaching grammar is a very useful tool.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wish I could have gone to a Latin school and focus on learning and reading Latin fluently
    But now I'm too old in my late 20s. Late 20s can you believe that? My life is over. I'm already dead.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Whiny b***h.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Call more people whiners and shame self pity and comiseration im sure it goes well
        >looks at your suicide rate compared to countries without this broken machismo bullshit
        Oh....oh no....

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      niger I started self learning Latin at around 26, Greek at around 29, and I can now enjoy both, you just need a healthy dose of autism/consistency over few years, go for it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But thats not what I want.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am of zoomer age and Caesar and Alexander were taught even in our lackluster, holocaust-centered history classes. I doubt you, OP.

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what kind of fluency do you need to be able to teach at least to high school grade kids? I have no formal qualification but I've spent the last few years learning and reading Latin, I was thinking to earn maybe some extra few bucks helping high school kids who maybe need an extra hand

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you can comfortably read Caesar and Virgil, you should be fine. You'll probably need a classics degree to get an actual job unless you know somebody thoughbeit, but tutoring would be a good way to get those connections. I would say go for it. GL anon.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's true that kids aren't taught nominative, accusative, etc. but they definitely are taught subject vs object, the problem is that without a second language it's an unnecessary way to view text. Their familiarity with English and the philosophy of "just read around it for context" renders that level of observation unnecessary sadly.

      also I've had kids butch at me for using "confusing words" during the second semester of a Latin course, the kids are very very dumb.

      a lot of private schools are very relaxed regarding qualifications, my only warning would be that Latin students aren't super common so a tutoring company or any other organization might be hesitant to sign you on if that's all you can teach. I only got a few each semester and that's mostly because I was the better alternative as a teacher. Looking specifically at a Catholic school may help, not sure, but beware their ecclesiastical pronunciation....

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If that's true, that's pretty scary. I'm an American who took Latin at 15 and none of that happened in our classroom, but we're millennials.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a professor at an Ivy League... these are some of the finest, most competitive kids in the nation, but the majority of my students have no idea what nominative, accusative, genitive, ablative, etc. are - they also don't know what relative clauses are, nor what a complementizer, nor a false friend, etc. UNLESS they personally have an interest in linguistics or are language nerds and have assimilated this terminology themselves before going to university.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Brown is not an ivy league university lmao

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is. Why wouldn’t it be?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          come on now

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We failed our successor generations. This will come back to bite us in a decade

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Probably more intuitive to teach what prepositions go with each case, that’s how I learned (eg by/with/from for ablative etc)

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    meanwhile in Evropa: learn Greek, Latin, German, French, English day 1 of high school, and for 6 years.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >School and parents have completely failed them
    Schools are working as intended.

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