I got a gig teaching Latin at a high ranked university and in the first class I was trying to explain the cases and said nominative signifies the subject and accusative the object. 90% of the class hit me with a fluoride stare and someone asked what those mean. Shit like this has just continued. I said for instance "Caesar wrote DBG" and they asked who Caesar was. Made a reference to Alexander and they had no clue who he was.
It's completely over, zoomers are fricked. These are the smartest zoomers too, it's not some shitty community college. School and parents have completely failed them.
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that didn't happen. you don't even have a job.
You didn't even post this. You're not here. You never were.
I am in college at high ranked university at it seems possible.
You didn't do the usual
He hit me
Him hit I
Thing?
Somehow landed a professorship without remembering the most basic pedagogy.
I didn’t learn nominative, accusative, genitive, etc until my junior year of college when I was studying Old English. They just don’t teach it anymore because it’s not “necessary” for the moronic kids to know it.
The result of that is that when the smart kids finally move on to stuff like learning linguistics or different languages, their professors have to waste time teaching them shit they should’ve learned in middle school.
Godspeed anon. You can reech deez keedz
They didn't even know what subject/object meant
Then teach them homie. Blud can't believe he has to do his job lmao.
Shut up, Jamal.
Why are zoomers so moronic?
Broooo his hair looks so cool
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Their whole world is just their phone and their gaming station, usually a PC. Everything they know, think, do is informed by that experience as an animal of Discord, TikTok, Red Dead Redemption 2, etc.
>why does every generation think subsequent generations are moronic
They are not biologically dumber than millennials it’s just a combination of being born in a moronic time and nihilism. Zoomers were born in a completely cynical time period where the majority of the elite see the humanities as pointless. Previously people had some vague sense that higher order culture like Vergil or Dante was important even if they never read them. People had some general built in historical context to their lives as being descended from a great tradition. Zoomers live in a contextless culture desert of the eternal present. They don’t care about the classics because they are disconnected from any common tradition or heritage. Every zoomer who speaks English grew up online with the same subcultures and media. Millennials are basically the same just a little less extreme version.
>millennials are basically the same as z**mers
I do say, I take umbrage at thy assertion!
Anglo-Zoomers are like the telepathic generation from Childhood's End and the internet is the Devil
>zoomers are... LE STUPID!
Yes
yeah, zoomers get hamfisted gay Black person propaganda in school and that's it
they are though
When did they stop teaching syntax in the USA?
In my country they have been trying to phase it out, but it's thankfully seeing some opposition to it by teacher.
But then the problem becomes that newer teachers also don't know syntax.
That's a tough part of teaching Latin, or Greek or any language with grammatical cases really, when the students have no idea of syntax and sentence structure.
32 years old here and I never learned it in school. Not in any of my English classes nor in the two years of Spanish I took in high school. Didn't learn about accusative/genitive/etc until I learned German on my own reading textbooks. So, it could make some sense for the students not knowing that since they're a decade younger than I am. Them not knowing Caesar and Alexander is bizarre though.
What the frick? I didn't get the syntax terminology in school, but this is just basic ass grammar they should've learned in 5th grade.
Liar or you forgot you learned it in elementary. Syntax was taught in 3rd/4th grade curriculum, along with context clues and basic literary analysis
>t. younger than you
>not knowing Caesar and Alexander is bizarre though.
Not if you pronouce it Kai-czar and Alay-shandre the way OP does.
Lmao. That conception of OP didn't come to my mind, but it's perfect.
I don't know what nominative or accusative are either thoughbeit
Go back to sharty
How?
sheeeeesh OP is on god cheugy af fr
I ask questions like this too, I know the answers already but I like to have a round understanding of things
Give them an example
Maybe the understand but just aren't familiar with the terminology
When during the pandemic I was bored and decided to teach my little cousins some Latin I made exercises (in Spanish) for them to recognize syntax and the function of words in a sentence.
They'd be stuff like:
The farmer grows corn.
And they'd have to underline the subject, verb and object, pretty simple. I would then add in more complex sentences with more parts.
I am "learning" German, which really so far has just been trying my damnedest to memorise the case endings and use them in fluid speech without stopping to go through a mental chart for 20 seconds. If you speak english you don't need cases so none of them should be expected to. If you are teaching cases, you must teach how english works first.
Stop being an elitest who has forgotten the beginner mind.
Bro is teaching Latin 101 and he's expecting the students to be expert Latin scholars and expert Grammarians. You're the moron here.
>expert Grammarians
If a university student can't tell you what the subject and object of a sentence are they really shouldn't be there.
It's the most basics of basics.
It is catastrophically bad for even first year students not in a Classics major to have no idea what these are. How could you not know who Julius Caesar was? To say that you’d be uneducated would be an understatement.
>Ayo teach!
>Who be dis seizure homie?
>Dat da pizza man?
>I's sure do loves me some crazy bread
Sorry you're going through this, anon, but I can't help but feel a little vindicated. I almost transferred to Dartmouth but instead ended up at a small liberal arts college. I'm taking intro Latin this year using Wheelock's and though we're not completely through it yet we're already starting to translate Cicero, Tacitus and the Vulgate. All the cases, conjugations, declensions, etc were all last semester - we're at this point just combing through Gildersleeve's and pulling out all the grammar. I'm not saying this to brag or anything, but rest assured that some of the kids are alright, and that Latin scholarship does have a future. What textbook(s) are you using? Any more horror stories?
That's fricking awesome
Do you want to work as a Latin translator?
It's definitely something I'd consider, and I think there's still a market for it. IIRC a lot of St. Albert the Great's works remain translated, incompletely translated or haven't had fresh translations in centuries, and that's just one guy. I'd love to translate something like the Periphyseon though. All of this, however, is if I get good enough. Law's the failsafe.
This anon
again. I was curious - the biggest problem I have with Latin is simply remembering all of the morphology. It just feels like too much to keep up with. Are there any good methods of learning it/sources to use? Vocabulary is also difficult, but I think that's a little more self-explanatory to learn.
Latin accidence is not complicated.
5 declensions
4 conjugations
Simple as
Good to hear anon. I learned with a mix of Wheelock's and LLPSI and I'm using the same to teach.
Not too many horror stories, they're not bad kids it's just they were failed by public school. Generally any time I made a reference to English grammar they had no clue what I was talking about so I had to teach both English grammar and Latin.
Just write the declensions down a billion times and repeat them in your head. Then read tons of easy literature, like the Vulgate. Eventually they'll just become second nature. Even the weird ones that are rarely ever used like 3rd person plural imperative will come. Also try writing stuff in Latin, since it will force you to find the right declension.
As for vocab, I struggled with it too. I hate using Anki which is probably the most effective method, but if you don't mind Anki I'd recommend it. I'd also say listen to as much Latin as possible since we tend to remember words we've heard more easily. Keep a sheet with common vocab you just can't remember and review every day. Read tons and tons of Latin.
I had to take four years of Latin in high school, I got placed into one Latin course I had to take in uni to fulfill the language requirement.
The uni course was the only time I ever got an A in a Latin class, ever.
Lmao nice fanfic. Zoomers are by far the most literate generation we've had since the Lost Generation. Half of zoomers are reading obscure theologico-alchemical treatises in their spare time, the other half reads British political economy to falicitate a better understanding of Marx. Millenials were the trough on the literacy curve, zoomers are ascending and will deliver us from the dark ages
Insane zoomer cope. Most people above 30 think zoomers are functionally moronic, and they’re right. You are not highly literate, and you are certainly not well-read, just because you can just barely parse Discord chats. Simply being able to read and comprehend basic English has always been the absolute bare minimum, and that’s where zoomers are. You only think they’re most literate because you think being literate means more people can read very simple English.
They’re just playing Fortnite and watching TikToks while taking hormones lol
skimming derrida while you dilate is not being well read
I remember watching somewhat recently an old comedy show. The comedian mentioned Clovis, King of the Franks.
And we are not France. Nowadays, I wonder how that would go.
That is just sad, while I am only 19, I have had 4 years of instruction for Latin.
We were taught as follows:
Nominative - Subject
Genitive - Possessive
Dative - Indirect Object (a.k.a the object not directly being acted upon)
Accusative - Direct Object (a/k/a the object being directly acted upon)
Ablative - Catch all, usually from, with, in, on, or by something.
Vocative - Direct Address
Locative - In the place of something.
Almost all first declension nouns are feminine except for PAIN occupation nouns (Poeta, Pirata, et al.).
Second declension masculine can also be feminine, but only for types of trees.
Third has the I-Stem subset
Fourth declension needs context for conjugation.
Neuter is neuter always, no exceptions.
That was the second chapter we did, the first was on verbs. Did they struggle with verbs, anon?
P.S: May God bear mercy onto these students' souls. (I-Stems, special case datives, accusatives and ablatives, UNUS NAUTA adjectives, irregular comparatives and superlatives, let alone subjects and passives [especially periphrastic usages]).
Comprehensible input is the most important thing. Explicit understanding of grammar can serve as an aid to it, but it's not the ultimate objective, only a means.
This is a cope. OP was not trying to teach them esoteric aspects of Latin grammar, just the bare basics. I agree with CI but you can't teach unmotivated morons Latin no matter how much Roma in Italia est they read.
It's not like there weren't native speakers in the Roman Empire who didn't know anything about grammar. I think it's possible in principle, just not advisable.
Well there were yeah but it's basically impossible to get the amount of input required for that. Teaching grammar is a very useful tool.
I wish I could have gone to a Latin school and focus on learning and reading Latin fluently
But now I'm too old in my late 20s. Late 20s can you believe that? My life is over. I'm already dead.
Whiny b***h.
Call more people whiners and shame self pity and comiseration im sure it goes well
>looks at your suicide rate compared to countries without this broken machismo bullshit
Oh....oh no....
niger I started self learning Latin at around 26, Greek at around 29, and I can now enjoy both, you just need a healthy dose of autism/consistency over few years, go for it
But thats not what I want.
I am of zoomer age and Caesar and Alexander were taught even in our lackluster, holocaust-centered history classes. I doubt you, OP.
what kind of fluency do you need to be able to teach at least to high school grade kids? I have no formal qualification but I've spent the last few years learning and reading Latin, I was thinking to earn maybe some extra few bucks helping high school kids who maybe need an extra hand
If you can comfortably read Caesar and Virgil, you should be fine. You'll probably need a classics degree to get an actual job unless you know somebody thoughbeit, but tutoring would be a good way to get those connections. I would say go for it. GL anon.
it's true that kids aren't taught nominative, accusative, etc. but they definitely are taught subject vs object, the problem is that without a second language it's an unnecessary way to view text. Their familiarity with English and the philosophy of "just read around it for context" renders that level of observation unnecessary sadly.
also I've had kids butch at me for using "confusing words" during the second semester of a Latin course, the kids are very very dumb.
a lot of private schools are very relaxed regarding qualifications, my only warning would be that Latin students aren't super common so a tutoring company or any other organization might be hesitant to sign you on if that's all you can teach. I only got a few each semester and that's mostly because I was the better alternative as a teacher. Looking specifically at a Catholic school may help, not sure, but beware their ecclesiastical pronunciation....
If that's true, that's pretty scary. I'm an American who took Latin at 15 and none of that happened in our classroom, but we're millennials.
I'm a professor at an Ivy League... these are some of the finest, most competitive kids in the nation, but the majority of my students have no idea what nominative, accusative, genitive, ablative, etc. are - they also don't know what relative clauses are, nor what a complementizer, nor a false friend, etc. UNLESS they personally have an interest in linguistics or are language nerds and have assimilated this terminology themselves before going to university.
Brown is not an ivy league university lmao
It is. Why wouldn’t it be?
come on now
We failed our successor generations. This will come back to bite us in a decade
Probably more intuitive to teach what prepositions go with each case, that’s how I learned (eg by/with/from for ablative etc)
meanwhile in Evropa: learn Greek, Latin, German, French, English day 1 of high school, and for 6 years.
>School and parents have completely failed them
Schools are working as intended.