I hate how the protagonists in fiction went from knights, sailors, and adventurers of all forms to editors, writers, corporate employees and boring shit like that. God, modern literature is so soulless.
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>it's a novel about a civil servant and spousal infidelity
No
A genuinely onions take. Conans haven't existed for a long time now, since war became rare (in the first world) and law and bureaucracy was essentially laid down like an autism blanket on society to keep people in line. If you want to read about the kinds of people who are the sailors and warriors of today, you can either read True crime and fawn over its cast of dark triads, or books by people like Jocko Willink who are just hyper-masculine knuckleheads telling you that you should get up at 3am, earn a million dollars, and try to keep your knuckles from scraping the floor too much.
Books about the understated struggles of boring people are kino.
>Books about the understated struggles of boring people are kino.
No. That's what publishers want you to think.
>Books about the understated struggles of boring people are kino.
Absolutely not, the average person is a boring repressed miserable and unfulfilled moron that is a slave to the opinions of others and to guilt/shame. Their "struggles" are just social banalities, wagecuckoldry and unfulfilling failed relationships with people they don't truly love passionately. They are exactly what to avoid in life and what not to become, and idolizing them in any way only paints a bleak picture of life. The sailors and warriors were revered for a reason.
You think you're supposed to idolize a character like Gladney from White Noise? Anyway there is room for both. Melville wrote Bartleby the Scrivener as well as Moby Dick. If you want stories about knights and shit, you could always read fantasy.
People are mad at you, but your 100% right.
Would rather read a story about someone's struggles with society and their life over someone who just stabs people with a sword that's "so frickin le based"
You make on sound solemn and the other one sound like a caricature. israeli tricks to sell more modern books.
Look, I don't care who makes it, israeli, aryan, black, fatass, women, Mexican, etc. All I care about is if it's good. A story about a homoerotic superman that goes around killing cartoonishly evil monsters so he can get some more pussy is really not that interesting, or challenging, or innovative, or engaging, or unique, or delectable, or fun, or even enjoyable. Its just moronic grug smash shit for morons that haven't moved out of their mother's basement
No one talked about genres or stories, though. Characters was the topic. Again, you're caricaturizing one side, while solemnizing the other.
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one of the roles of art is to preserve the tropes and values of different eras through historical changes, teach you lessons that the everyday circumstances of your follow won't provide opportunities for so that you can intellectually transcend them
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I imagine life expectancy, rate of literacy and the clergy law influenced the types of protagonists people could write about, which makes it double soulless. Realistic characters in tune with the present day society are much more soulful than escapist victorian slop that doesn't stray away from tradition.
>Realistic characters in tune with the present day society are much more soulful
Not even you believe this lie
Then why is Kafka's Trial my second favorite book homosexual?
>Kafka
>realistic
The MC is a literal banker. You can't get more commonman than that in the time Kafka wrote his shit. The only "unrealistic" thing is his schizo episodes.
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kafka is popular garbage for normalgays 100 years ago. twas like how twilight or harry potter is today.
>it was all in his head
Brainlet take
kafka is trash, you have shit taste
The real battle is the fight against racism, mysoginy, and homophobia.
>the protagonists in fiction went from knights, sailors, and adventurers of all forms to editors, writers, corporate employees and boring shit like that.
that's what sells
>that's what sells
ok boomer
No it's not. YA Fantasy fiction is the biggest genre by far, The Lord of the Rings is the most well known (and I'd wager well read) fiction series in the world, it's just that the "Literature" with pretensions to greatness are all about the stuffy and boring academics that read and write them.
Ironic that the novel about desiring chivalric adventure in an age that's outgrown it is literally the first novel ever written.
first modern novel*
there is never an age wherein adventure is "outgrown" this is just the jaded, insipid cynicism of miserable fricking homosexuals.
The life of an accountant is worth as much as the lives of a hundred sailors.
People should ultimately write about compelling characters. It doesn't really matter who they are, just that they're written well.
I'm writing a novel about effete terrorist dandies if you're into that
>A character's life which is already adventurous is more soulful than a character who develops and becomes adventurous
Cervantes was writing about how simplistic stories about knights give you brain damage over 400 years ago.
A lot of those jobs were quite common in those days, sailing was often hard and difficult work; not everyone was Captain Jack Aubrey.
There's a difference about being a swashbuckling hero and some boring people in a boring world.
Conrad made realistic seamen. Much preferable to a cuckold accountant and his mid life crisis like today.
You like seamen eh?
Heh
Most people were farmers or tradesmen in those days.
The problem is that most books are written by boring people who can't imagine something more fantastic.
>knights, sailors, and adventurers
Escapism
>editors, writers, corporate employees and boring shit like that
Actual reality
Totally different genres, totally different purposes. Apples and oranges.
>"write what you know"
>it's yet another story about a writer suffering from writer's block.
I hate writers so much it's unreal.
Miniver Cheevy, child of scorn,
Grew lean while he assailed the seasons;
He wept that he was ever born,
And he had reasons.
Miniver loved the days of old
When swords were bright and steeds were prancing;
The vision of a warrior bold
Would set him dancing.
Miniver sighed for what was not,
And dreamed, and rested from his labors;
He dreamed of Thebes and Camelot,
And Priam’s neighbors.
Miniver mourned the ripe renown
That made so many a name so fragrant;
He mourned Romance, now on the town,
And Art, a vagrant.
Miniver loved the Medici,
Albeit he had never seen one;
He would have sinned incessantly
Could he have been one.
Miniver cursed the commonplace
And eyed a khaki suit with loathing;
He missed the mediæval grace
Of iron clothing.
Miniver scorned the gold he sought,
But sore annoyed was he without it;
Miniver thought, and thought, and thought,
And thought about it.
Miniver Cheevy, born too late,
Scratched his head and kept on thinking;
Miniver coughed, and called it fate,
And kept on drinking.
- Edwin Arlington Robinson
Frankly, Miniver sounds like an idiot and a loser.
>mfw I suddenly get the Cheevy reference in Catch-22
Based anon.
American Psycho is the greatest novel ever, frick you.
Serial killer. An adventurer of crime.
>protagonist is a writer
I hate books like this
Humans simply lead comfortable, unadventurous lives nowadays. They have nothing interesting to write about anymore.
It's curious how modern fiction (both literary, graphic, interactive and cinematic) is falling back on archetypal forms: namely fantastical sagas about super-heroes. The Modernist era is well and truly over.
>both
Excuse me while I shoot myself. I really should read back my own posts.
How does affect you personally though?
What a feminine question
Stick to dead authors, anon. Their work survived them for a good reason.