When has Apple ever been good about long-term support for obsolete platforms?
The writing is on the wall. Buy an ARM Mac or switch to another UNIX-like OS that runs on your hardware, or preferred hardware.
Windows wasn't UNIX-like, and why switch from one abandoned platform to another?
There hasn't been a Windows release for almost 25 years you might as well run Classic MacOS.
If you're talking about NT, it also isn't UNIX-like, it is a VMS clone.
You still need an specific t2 kernel if you want absolutely everything to work.
I also needed an script to extract the wifi and bluetooth firmware from the mac partition there's an script for that, everything is pretty much straight forward and probably some distros like asahi comes with everything pre-installed.
more info here:
https://wiki.t2linux.org
It's not as straight forward as installing in a normal pc but It's pretty easy to setup following the wiki.
5 year sw support means the latest macOS should be one of the last to support intel macs. plenty of professionals use old macOS on their intel workstations though. many run the ancient macOS Mojave from 2018 as it's the last one to support 32bit apps
Anyone who buys a macbook is a certified Black person. Take this from a person who has owned a macbook and sold it 1 month after. It has an unusable flimsy design that breaks with everything, a shitty OS (which can be replaced by Linux, but which works like shit, no to discredit the Asahi team, they are doing an amazing job, but it's still not good), and just a shit computer over all. Listening to the news about the new GoFetch vulnerability on M chips, I can't help but have a smug grin.
>Probably easier than installing it on x86_64. But you're basically forced to use Fedora
seriously? that's fricking stupid. early Intel Macs (2006-2012) can have whatever Linux you want. I'm running Parabola on a 2011 MBP and other than WiFi, everything works fine. idk about late intel macs. but I think they're harder to install linux on than Apple Silicon Macs because of the T2 chip and nobody really wants to develop Linux for them
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I think they've supported x86_64 longer after the M1 transition than they supported x86 32bit after they switched to 64-bit. I bought the first-gen macbook with the 32bit and got fricking dumped with no OS updates. I had previously been a fan of the powerbooks, which were very competitive with the wintel laptops at the time. Never bought another mac after that.
Wifi not working on your laptop isn't a small deal to most people. If wifi doesn't work, the OS basically doesn't work.
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>Wifi not working on your laptop isn't a small deal to most people. If wifi doesn't work, the OS basically doesn't work.
I just use a wifi dongle that has free firmware
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I used to do that in the early 2000s when I had a late 90s laptop with no wifi. it was terrible. I've had pretty bad experiences with usb wifi dongles in recent times too. They don't have proper antennas so the range is bad. If they DID have a real antenna they would be even more annoying to set up and use a laptop with. The speed is possibly bottlenecked with usb. Not to mention I want my laptop to be usable without a dongle. Fiddling around with that, having to plug and unplug it every time you put the laptop in the bag, having to restart your computer if entering the sleep state messed up the driver, that's all a complete hassle. Almost no one is willing to tolerate that in a laptop.
Recently I had to use my desktop on wifi for a month after moving into a new place. I've installed an ethernet cable since then, but during that time I had to choose from several USB dongles I had laying around, all of which were terrible. Then I used a smartphone which has USB3.0 and wireless ac but even that was quite bad. I ended up having to use the old macbook as an ethernet-wifi bridge. Even though it's just wireless g that fricker has a real antenna in it and it was the only one that wouldn't randomly drop the connection. My access point was only 20 feet away with only 1 insulated wall in between.
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Most people aren't willing to do that. Myself included. If I wanted a particular distro and wifi didn't work, I wouldn't use it
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you do you. for me I'd take almost full freedom (minus the BIOS/UEFI) over nonfree wifi
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>that's fricking stupid
it's an undocumented hardware platform with 0 support
it was going to be based on arch but i think asahi got funding from fedora or something - either that or they just hated how much arch broke things? i've never had anything break on arch that i didn't break myself though
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I thought it was just something that opened the bootloader so you could install whatever you wanted
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you still need a shitton of drivers to get literally anything to work, so asahi is basically the only distro which is usable
tim cook directly addressed this saying they will support the intel macs for "years to come" but gave no specifics :< I have a 2020 macbook pro, it is very fast and the ssd is amazingly fast, I got this fricker with 2TB and 32GB ram they better update my shit for at least another 5 years
All of their model lines have already migrated to Apple silicon. If you're looking at picking up an old Intel based machine, expect maybe 5 years of OS support following its release date, a few more for security updates.
When has Apple ever been good about long-term support for obsolete platforms?
The writing is on the wall. Buy an ARM Mac or switch to another UNIX-like OS that runs on your hardware, or preferred hardware.
>switch to another UNIX-like OS
I.e Windows.
LISAN AL GAIB
Windows wasn't UNIX-like, and why switch from one abandoned platform to another?
There hasn't been a Windows release for almost 25 years you might as well run Classic MacOS.
If you're talking about NT, it also isn't UNIX-like, it is a VMS clone.
VMS + 111= WNT
That's what their original schedule that they never announced a change to says, yes.
If not this year than next. If not this year then it will only officially support 2020 Intel Macs, nothing older.
That seems like a very narrow gap to support for a whole OS for when the entire architecture is the same going back years.
It's fine and all if you have an Intel Mac, but anybody considering purchasing an Intel Mac in 2024 is full moron.
>can't install new MacOS versions
>can't install another OS due to T2 chips
late intel Macs are fricked
Dude I'm using a t2 intel mac with arch, just use a t2 kernel.
T2 hasn't been a problem for like 4 years now. It was only a small blip of time where the drivers for the T2 weren't in the kernel yet.
You still need an specific t2 kernel if you want absolutely everything to work.
I also needed an script to extract the wifi and bluetooth firmware from the mac partition there's an script for that, everything is pretty much straight forward and probably some distros like asahi comes with everything pre-installed.
more info here:
https://wiki.t2linux.org
It's not as straight forward as installing in a normal pc but It's pretty easy to setup following the wiki.
wtf i thought they dropped it years ago. i guess the m1 chip shit was just a sidegrade?
old macs are still supported but they officially discontinued them last year
5 year sw support means the latest macOS should be one of the last to support intel macs. plenty of professionals use old macOS on their intel workstations though. many run the ancient macOS Mojave from 2018 as it's the last one to support 32bit apps
mojave is like new snow leopard
agf
Anyone who buys a macbook is a certified Black person. Take this from a person who has owned a macbook and sold it 1 month after. It has an unusable flimsy design that breaks with everything, a shitty OS (which can be replaced by Linux, but which works like shit, no to discredit the Asahi team, they are doing an amazing job, but it's still not good), and just a shit computer over all. Listening to the news about the new GoFetch vulnerability on M chips, I can't help but have a smug grin.
>iToddlers have to jailbreak their computers to run linux
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA
It's not a jailbreak. Just one shell command. Probably easier than installing it on x86_64. But you're basically forced to use Fedora
>Probably easier than installing it on x86_64. But you're basically forced to use Fedora
seriously? that's fricking stupid. early Intel Macs (2006-2012) can have whatever Linux you want. I'm running Parabola on a 2011 MBP and other than WiFi, everything works fine. idk about late intel macs. but I think they're harder to install linux on than Apple Silicon Macs because of the T2 chip and nobody really wants to develop Linux for them
I think they've supported x86_64 longer after the M1 transition than they supported x86 32bit after they switched to 64-bit. I bought the first-gen macbook with the 32bit and got fricking dumped with no OS updates. I had previously been a fan of the powerbooks, which were very competitive with the wintel laptops at the time. Never bought another mac after that.
Wifi not working on your laptop isn't a small deal to most people. If wifi doesn't work, the OS basically doesn't work.
>Wifi not working on your laptop isn't a small deal to most people. If wifi doesn't work, the OS basically doesn't work.
I just use a wifi dongle that has free firmware
I used to do that in the early 2000s when I had a late 90s laptop with no wifi. it was terrible. I've had pretty bad experiences with usb wifi dongles in recent times too. They don't have proper antennas so the range is bad. If they DID have a real antenna they would be even more annoying to set up and use a laptop with. The speed is possibly bottlenecked with usb. Not to mention I want my laptop to be usable without a dongle. Fiddling around with that, having to plug and unplug it every time you put the laptop in the bag, having to restart your computer if entering the sleep state messed up the driver, that's all a complete hassle. Almost no one is willing to tolerate that in a laptop.
Recently I had to use my desktop on wifi for a month after moving into a new place. I've installed an ethernet cable since then, but during that time I had to choose from several USB dongles I had laying around, all of which were terrible. Then I used a smartphone which has USB3.0 and wireless ac but even that was quite bad. I ended up having to use the old macbook as an ethernet-wifi bridge. Even though it's just wireless g that fricker has a real antenna in it and it was the only one that wouldn't randomly drop the connection. My access point was only 20 feet away with only 1 insulated wall in between.
Most people aren't willing to do that. Myself included. If I wanted a particular distro and wifi didn't work, I wouldn't use it
you do you. for me I'd take almost full freedom (minus the BIOS/UEFI) over nonfree wifi
>that's fricking stupid
it's an undocumented hardware platform with 0 support
it was going to be based on arch but i think asahi got funding from fedora or something - either that or they just hated how much arch broke things? i've never had anything break on arch that i didn't break myself though
I thought it was just something that opened the bootloader so you could install whatever you wanted
you still need a shitton of drivers to get literally anything to work, so asahi is basically the only distro which is usable
are late intel macs with the T2 chip able to run linux or asahi?
Why not?
sneed
Everyone is going to drop x86. Good riddance
2 more weeks until Zen 5 shits up ARM's existence again
x86 is forever at a severe disadvantage in that instructions are read and interpreted one byte at a time
two more weeks
2019 16" mbps on suicide watch
I'm glad that I have mine, can dual-boot Windows easily in BOOTCAMP to run all the software macOS doesn't support.
When I finally lose long-term support for macOS I'm just going to main Windows and/or Linux on it.
tim cook directly addressed this saying they will support the intel macs for "years to come" but gave no specifics :< I have a 2020 macbook pro, it is very fast and the ssd is amazingly fast, I got this fricker with 2TB and 32GB ram they better update my shit for at least another 5 years
All of their model lines have already migrated to Apple silicon. If you're looking at picking up an old Intel based machine, expect maybe 5 years of OS support following its release date, a few more for security updates.
Hey, 4gag! Excited to be making this post. I have the most expensive apple computer. So Kneel before me. LOL?!
100W TDP arm where
Isnt the MacBook Pro 140w tdp?
Arent the power bricks the power limit of the laptop?