I want to get into the troubadours. I can read French and English. Is there an infographic or can I get some recommendations?
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I want to get into the troubadours. I can read French and English.
You want an infographic to teach you how to use the fricking library?
I wanted it for an outline of books worth getting. I'm not going to the library. I'm going to get epubs.
Where do you think people who make infographics get their knowledge of books? Have you never searched a library catalog or done any research on your own?
I'd pick up some anthology for a start.
>Where do you think people who make infographics get their knowledge of books?
Mostly on IQfy. They collect recs for a while, google a bit, and then stick the book covers together in photoshop. Sometimes they ask for further advice, and some equally uninformed people suggest they add one or two books that they've actually read from the given field, and so they do and here's your chart that gets reposted for a decade afterwards.
How does one do good research then?
Reading several books and articles on the topic, referring to their bibliographies to read further. Also - asking librarians and people who are in the field (students or professors), searching the library yourself. (Once upon a time googling as well would be included here but not anymore.) At a certain point you put the knowledge together into a coherent whole, and then you'd be competent enough to instruct others how to get into the field/topic. Of course, some aspects might remain neglected, but that happens even to the best researchers.
Troubadours, the one's for whom that word is specifically meant for, wrote in Langue d'Oc. They were from Southern France and their language more similar to modern day Catalan than French.
For some recommendations you got Gavaudan, Giraut Riquier, Macabru, Peire d'Alvernhe and Arnaut de Mareuil
If you want French ones, trouvères who wrote in medieval French, there's: Adam de la Halle, Thibaut of Navarre, Gontier de Soignies and even Richard the Lionheart.
I had some bibliography on these, let me look for it.
Warwick University's faculty of Arts has a nice study "Troubadours, Trouvères and the Crusades", it's all online.
If you are interested in the musical part check "Music in medieval Europe", Jeremy Yudkin
There's a book on troubadours by Martin de Riquer but I don't think it's been translated to English.
If it's in French I can handle it with a dictionary. What is the title of de Riquer's book? I'll check it all, but I was also looking for a good anthology of the poetry itself.
Tried to look but it seems his works haven't been translated to either French or English.
He was Spanish and wrote in Spanish and Catalan.
"Los Trovadores" is an anthology, it has the texts in their original language, but commentary and translation are in Spanish.
I might be able to make that work with some effort. Thank you
Thanks for the clarification on troubadours and trouvères. I thought troubadour was simply the English term.
Actually, no. I didn't go to college and I did high school online. It's not a skill I was taught.
Is there anything interesting differences of style and content between the two? My motivation for reading these is to see if there are any sly, gnostic themes. Have you heard of the theory that Dante was a Cathar?
Style wise, the French ones tended to copy the Occitans.
Gavaudan, I think, wrote in defense of the Count of Toulouse, who had to deal with the Albigensian Crusade.
Dante includes Arnaut de Mareuil in the Divine Comedy, in Purgatory.
Dante and many of the Italian poets of the Dolce Stil Novo were into Averroism. For that you can read Auerbach's work on Dante.
I'll definitely check that out. This might be super left-field but you seem educated in medieval history. Are you familiar with any studies on the color green in medieval art and literature? I've noticed the dualism of it recently. The Green Knight, Guinevere's dress, the devil in gothic art is green. Could be good or bad
Check Cirlot's Dictionary of Symbols, just checked and that one's translated to English.
Go to the entry of colours, mentions a lot about green. You can also check the one on Alchemy, also deals with colours.
And a Symbols dictionary is pretty handy. Entries on numbers are pretty fun.
Thanks anon. I have a lot to occupy myself now! 🙂
Miguel Serrano is all you need.