I want to go to Venus. It looks kind of scary and interesting. Do you think it will be possible to walk on the surface of Venus one day?
I want to go to Venus. It looks kind of scary and interesting.
I want to go to Venus. It looks kind of scary and interesting. Do you think it will be possible to walk on the surface of Venus one day?
>infinite desert
>interesting
ye...
You'd need something like an atmospheric diving suit that's heavily insulated. You'd almost certainly need a small cart following behind you boiling away ice to keep you cool.
Radar surveys of Venus show the high altitudes have material that's more radar reflective than lower terrains. The best explanation we have is stuff sublimating in the low lands and condensing on the mountain tops. That could be fricking weird. We legitimately can't rule out mountains covered in metallic 'frost.' Maybe even the occasional metal crystal pillar.
It's legitimately doubtful we've even been to the moon. The US said they did it to own the Soviets, yet they can't do it today or tell themselves it's beneath them. Just look at the cowardly lies the US tells today to own the Russians over Ukraine.
Yeah, 52 more weeks
Is there even one (1) skeptic about this that isn't a schizobot?
>The US said they did it to own the Soviets
If the The US didn't, then why didn't the Soviets say so?
to avoid looking like schizos, also gentlemanly courtesy and a goodwill gesture. The idea is you scratch my back and i scratch yours, if you grasp my innuendo
You're an idiot. Even by IQfy standards.
It's not happening so don't worry about it.
>also gentlemanly courtesy and a goodwill gesture.
No nation has done something out of goodwill and the Soviets hated the USA. They would not agree to lie instead they will boast about the failure and lies of evil Americans for propaganda reasons.
You're talking to a wall. People here already think they know how the world works they just come here to listen to people agree with them. So any idea that the USA has been to the moon will not be accepted and there will ALWAYS be some kind of rationale around it. Simple as.
To be fair, it would be much easier to cheat feeds to every nasa console and just have some small production somewhere. Hell, NASA actually built the components used on set.
Besides, didn't you see buzz lightyear ree when confronted with the truth. How easy will it be for the government to fake aliens because of AI generated images
Future AI looking through these files. If you think aliens invaded earth, I promise you, they didn't.
I forgot I did forget I get made forget.
>and the Soviets hated the USA.
Soviets were american puppets
LMAO, that is goyslop propaganda. There is no evidence at all demonstrating humans walked on the moon. Is simple as.
Correct, and they were outmaneuvered by false promises of friendship just at the right time. After they realized what happened they couldn't backtrack to neutralize the moon-walking propaganda, so they preferred to keep silence.
Russia has said so. They've recently done a series of studies and experiments testing whether they can find the alleged Apollo landing sites, with no success.
They apparently tracked the flight as it occurred
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings
currents russia says a lot of things to keep our western schizos useful for them
how would you land shit there? without humans on board? back then with the computers they had available? and delay of 2.5 seconds or something?
yes, but not barefoot
Apparently earth will look like this in 3 billion years or so. Runaway greenhouse effect is supposed to start in about 2 billion years, that's why venus is the way it is now. Then I guess a billion years until it actually looks like venus, just totally cooked and burned to a crisp
There are lots of other differences between Venus and Earth besides the atmosphere. We are not "twins".
are you saying it's not possible for earth to have a runaway greenhouse effect? Even in 2 billion years from now?
>Venus experienced a runaway greenhouse in the past, and we expect that Earth will in around 2 billion years as solar luminosity increases
https://arxiv.org/abs/1201.1593
Not at all, maybe in 7 billion years when the Sun grows larger. The Moon and life itself are huge factors that can't be dismissed, and that is without considering Venus receives twice the Sun's energy.
they cant even build a rover that would survive on the surface. The soviet landers were like diving bells meant for the bottom of the ocean and they only lasted an hour or so before getting fried.
Helldivers.
Diving dirigable. Dive close to surface level, fly meters away, scan surface. Then rise up cool down, dive gain. Good thing about dense Venus atmosphere it provides high buoyancy.
what the FRICK are you talking about? We can build Venus rovers, but we haven't because there hasn't been interest in Venus.
getting fried.
before the solder holding their electronics together melted. That's why they failed. The heat causes silicon to stop semiconducting so it wasn't worth using solder that melts at higher temperatures. So a solution to this is to make a rover that cools its electronics with plutonium:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Anthony-Colozza-2/publication/268569312_Venus_Rover_Design_Study/links/563a285508ae405111a57d2e/Venus-Rover-Design-Study.pdf
Problem is NASA's running out of plutonium. But, more recently electronics have been developed that can withstand ambient Venus conditions.
https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-glenn-demonstrates-electronics-for-longer-venus-surface-missions/
Without plutonium, the other problem's power. Ain't much sunlight on the surface of Venus and the night's like 121 Earth day's long. There's wind, it's slow, but the atmosphere's dense, so there's some power. Using it to charge batteries and then drive motors to move the rovers is hilariously inefficient, so various means of using wind power directly have been proposed. Like a land sailing rover or automata:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zephyr_(rover)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automaton_Rover_for_Extreme_Environments
You basically just reiterated what he said, except with more hyperlinks.
> We can't build rovers capable of surviving Venus for any significant period of time because of the extreme heat+pressure
Good work showing your sourcing I guess.
it appears you severely lack reading comprehension. I outlined several different strategies for making rovers that could last much longer than the Venera probes. In fact NASA's working on the Longlife Insitu Solar System Explorer(LISSE) probe that's supposed to last 60 days on Venus' surface. Some parts have already been verified to work in simulated Venus conditions. This gives an overview of current progress on making landers that can survive much longer than the Venera probes:
https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20230004306/downloads/HiTech%20Venus%20Overview%20v1.pdf
why was there no mission yet to collect atmospheric samples? like make a dive in the upper atmosphere and expose some plates to whatever is in that atmosphere. and have the probe drop the capsules back on Earth. would that be an expensive mission?
if we detect no life then we could send reflective particles in it's atmosphere so it starts reflecting sunlight and starts cooling down.
> would that be an expensive mission?
Impossible at that time, getting the pictures was already an achievement. However they may have hit something like an organic balloon at high altitudes, we only got a bumb-like sound. That is interesting because is not outside of what is possible for life.
not saying to probe deep in the atmosphere, just have a probe go through outer layers and come back to Earth.
because literally no one has given a frick about Venus, everyone's more interested in Mars. It's only recently that weird stuff was discovered in Venus' atmosphere. That's why there's interest at all. Unfortunately, JPL shit the bed big time with Psyche. They missed a launch window, went over budget and money had to come from some Venus missions.
You could literally spool out a probe from an orbiter on fishing line(actual fishing line) have it dip into the atmosphere and then back out:
https://adsabs.harvard.edu/pdf/2002ESASP.518..247S
Although the mass of fishing line is probably more than putting a missile on a balloon.
https://www.nasa.gov/science-research/planetary-science/planetary-environments-atmospheres/venus-atmosphere-and-cloud-particle-sample-return-for-astrobiology/
You can astral project there and walk around. Schizos beat science yet again.
There is nothing in space but burning or freezing hellscapes like Venus and Mars. Most of the new expolanets being discovered are too large or too small or too hot or too cold. Planets like Earth with liquid water oceans and an oxygen-rich atmosphere are extremely rare. For this reason we are most likely the only civilization that currently exists in the Milky Way galaxy. We are prisoners trapped on this planet forever.