I want to start reading philosophy/psychology books and start with the classics like Hegel, Kant, Goethe, Frankl, Freud, Nietschze, Jung and the likes but I have no idea where to start. Please share your suggestions.
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That also I really wanna read those too especially Socrates.
"Start with the Greeks" as they say
Lots of universities post lectures online too. May be worth having a suit explain ways to dissect the the basics, then apply that later if youre having trouble. Theres a difference between reading and understanding of course. mileage may vary
I’m 30 and work in tech. I’m smart but never did well in school because of a turbulent and traumatic childhood so no chance I’m going back to school now but I find it very interesting and want to know more than just the vague surface level stuff I know now. I guess it’s never too late to learn. I read Pale Blue Dot and I’m almost done with Cosmos by Carl Sagan and he refers a lot to the Greeks and other philosophers so it kinda kickstarted my interest.
Yea give it a shot, as with anything in life you have to put in the effort if you want to get anything from it.
I think I’ll do alright. I’m autodidact in most things I do now. Especially IT work I studied music (fricking moronic I know) but now got myself in an above average salary position so I want to do this as a hobby. One day I’d like to write something of my own maybe.
Yeah man, start reading Socrates first. Very good.
>Mentions Freud once
Ah, please allow me to copy/paste my intro to psychoanalysis effortpost from Wasoru:
Freud's a great writer and, in my opinion, you probably don't need a lot of "background reading" to approach him head-on. If you want to get into psychoanalytic theory, my recommendations for an introduction would be:
>Five Lectures on Psychoanalysis
Sort of a "greatest hits" of early Freud in his own words, if you could only read one primary source as an intro to Freud I'd recommend this one to get your beak wet. If you decide you like him, other pieces will go into more detail about the ideas mentioned here. You could also therefore skip it if you know you want to read other stuff, though I think it's a fun refresher or way to whet your palate.
>The Interpretation of Dreams
Freud considered his first book his masterpiece, and the whole rest of psychoanalysis develops from this point of unconscious wish fulfillment. The first chapter is famously boring, you can skip it if you like. Freud also wrote another shorter paper called "On Dreams" that offers a nice summary in case the whole thing is too long relative to how curious you are.
>Three Essays on Sexuality
This was another piece that Freud continued to update and revise throughout his life, demonstrating how important he felt it was. Freud didn't invent the unconscious or childhood sexuality, but he connected them in a way that accounts for psychological dynamism and development. It's pretty short and fun, too.
>The Ego and the Id
Freud introduced the death drive in Beyond the Pleasure Principle, and this combined with the structural model (Id, Ego, Superego) are the main features of late Freud. He shows how the superego (although I don't think he uses that term here specifically) is the "heir to the Oedipus complex," and then gives a revised view of his metapsychology in light of this.
If you don't really give a shit about the historical development of Freud's theories, or read all the other stuff and want more, Civilization and its Discontents is fun and popularly accessible, and Totem and Taboo is a wild trip. There's plenty more stuff if you want to get into details about therapy techniques, art criticism, case studies, sociology, religion, etc. - you should have fun digging through it and seeing the arc of his thought! I'll also say that if you're interested in psychoanalysis, two good secondary sources can recommend would be Freud and Beyond by Mitchell and Black (gives a broad view of psychoanalytic theory and the analytic world after Freud) and The Impossible Profession by Janet Malcom (a fictionalized series of interviews with an analyst in late 20th century America, things have changed a bit since she wrote it but it captures the moment very well and presents analytic ideas cogently and elegantly). Let me know if you have any questions or would like other recommendations, and I'd be happy to try and help.
I'm reading on hysteria right now its pretty breezy so far
>SEVEN teutons
Kys OP
I tried a few times before and it turns out I’m not really good at it.
Grab a Bible and realize they're all coping, trying to take God out of the equation. It's all sophistry. Still, some have a few good points.
Grab the greeks also, they have quite a few unbiased lines of reasoning that arrive at truth.
most of psychology is pure cope.
Funny. I think religion is the ultimate low IQ cope.
>can’t explain positive phenomena?
God.
>can’t explain negative phenomena?
Devil
That’s a cope
thats Christianity, theres plenty of religion with devil. the world is divine
There are many, many worlds friend. They need not your gods.
it isn't. not even a child would misunderstand it like so, or be explained it so badly.
That's the "i've never seriously looked at religion" understanding.
It's not a matter of faith against reason, but of both together.
You can arrive infinitesimally close to proof, but there's still a leap of faith to be taken, by design.
And you should strive to that degree of knowledge.
Just grab something and start reading, if it were me I would read someone Plato then Nietzsche and then pick up the portable Jung. Only because the latter quote the former often. And then dive into other books.
Aye sound advice. I want to avoid getting confused by references to works I didn’t study yet.
Start with the Presocratics - we've only been saying that for fricking years. Maybe you should lurk moar too.
I deleted all social media and I don’t spend too much time on here either. The longer I work in tech the more I despise it and want it out of my private life. Thanks for the suggestion it sounds intriguing.
I thought that was Frozone's ice trail in the OP pic
You should start with Richard Stallman, his libertarian philosophical views are a true eye opener to the rest of philosophy