If it wasn't for these little guys shi'ism wouldn't exist. It's amazing how all the important shit regarding shi'ism happened here or in other other locations in Iran. The Iraqis, Lebanese, and other shia groups seemed to have just sat on their asses in the past thousand years
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What? Shiasim is an arab thing
>What? Shiasim is an arab thing
It's not the Zaydis were prominent in history when Northern Iran was Zaydi. After that it became a mix of twelvers and ismailis and both of those became prominent while zaydis were restricted to yemen and became irrelevent. Even during the heyday of the fatimids the most prominent dai'is were persians and after the decline of the fatimids ismailis disappeared except in iran where the nizari ismailis were active. Then the twelvers who were a majority became the clear majority. Fun fact Ismail the founder of the safavids was raised in northern iran after his father was killed. When he eventually conquered iran he made twelver shi'ism the state religion instead of the shi'ism his sufi order practiced which was completely different.The equivalent would be the Cathars conquering France but keeping catholicism as the state religion and abandoning their own religion
There were shia elsewhere in iran in north west iran, fars, and khorasan and in some cases they formed majorities as well but these were under sunni rule so its a different story. shi'ism was the ethnic religion of northern iran beyond the alborz. They switched sects a couple of times but ever since the 10th century shi'ism dominated and they were unique in that they actually ruled themselves instead of being subject people (they were conqueres for short periods of time generally were able to maintain their independence). In the history of shia islam the other shia are adjacent at best. Iraq is only relevant because some of the shia imams were forced into house arrest there and has some shrines. Lebanon produced a few scholars. Thse people were shia but did not have any major impact. When you read a history book on shias most of it will be set in iran
Interesting, but all what you said doesn't change the fact that shiasim is arab
think what you want
What's the race of the shia imams and what language did they speak?
what an autistic reasoning. Is Christianity a israeli religion? Is Buddhism an indian religion?
>Is Christianity a israeli religion? Is Buddhism an indian religion?
Yes.
>Yes.
okay if you think that way then it's an arab religion
Your mentioning other religions while I'm talking about a race
You're calling it an arab religion because the central figures are arab so I brought up christianity and buddhist where one's central figures were israelites and the other's central figure was an indian. However, Christianity and buddhism are overwhelmingly are non israeli or non indian.
What's not arab about shia islam? What's persian in shia islam? You know that shia islam influenced Persians not the other way around right?
>What's not arab about shia islam?
the majority of its adherents are not arab
>What's persian in shia islam?
Persians account for the majority of important figures and writers.
> You know that shia islam influenced Persians not the other way around right?
It's both.
Thanks for the interesting information OP. That region really is far more influential than it should be. Since you seem to know about it, I was wondering if you know about what Iranians historically thought about the Hyrcanian rainforests there, since I always found them quite strange geographically given that Iran is mostly arid plateau. Are they mentioned in mythology or poetry?
At least study the subject a bit before you say stupid things. For instance, Twelvers say that Ali is the rightful successor to both the Caliphate and the Sassanids due to having married into the house of Sasan.
I'm not sure. Maybe you'll find something in Ibn Isfandiyar's history of tabaristan which is the key historical document for this region. There's an abridged translation in English
Thank you, I will look
There's also the article
The Caspian Provinces: A World Apart Three local histories of Mazandaran
which contains extracts from multiple histories but yeah there's not much regarding these places
I want to think that you're not a homosexual, but I can't.
My guess is Shias were basically the Iranian Muslims, and Sunnis the Arab, and this is how they differentiated the two religiously/politically/etc.
Except apparently, their interpretation of Islam is the correct one...? What I've heard. Not at all saying it is, maybe someone more knowledgeable can verify.
>My guess is Shias were basically the Iranian Muslims, and Sunnis the Arab
Holy shit this is so wrong I’m baffled you’re even on a board dedicated to history
He's not wrong though. The places outside iran with shias for most of history were southern lebanon and southern iraq. There's no way they outnumbered their iranian counterparts
They became shia for convenience. It's easy to remain independant when you foster hatred among the populace for sunnis and their holy figures thus ensuring support for yourself. These dynasties were weak
Daylam more like Gaylam
Daylamites were the coolest medieval iranians