not even then, bro. have you seen a map of MD?
Union moves HQ a few miles north to Pennsylvania, picks off western MD like it already picked off WV, carries out the grand-strategy as usual through TN. Nothing changes other than minor inconveniences to fat Senators.
I actually wonder if Maryland joining the CSA would have resulted in the capital permanently being relocated. Maybe back to Philadelphia or New York?
2 years ago
Anonymous
if Maryland joined the CSA the political war would be entirely lost
2 years ago
Anonymous
Definitely not New York. The City nearly seceded from the rest of the state to keep their slave-trade/cotton-exporting money pipeline running smoothly, and then of course there’s the Draft Riots a week after Meade BTFO’d Lee at Gettysburg. Probably would have ended up in Philly
Hardly. It would have been swamped by Union men before it had a chance to do anything
2 years ago
Anonymous
It should've been somewhere in the lower Midwest, like Cincinnati.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cincinnati is too chilly
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ok St. Louis? It never made sense to put the capital far out East and not in the middle.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It never made sense to put the capital far out East
topwut
Maryland was “the middle” of the original 13. There wasn’t even a “middle” anywhere near St. Louis until Jefferson paid way too much for the Louisiana Purchase
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Jefferson paid way too much for the Louisiana Purchase
are you fricking kidding it was cheap as frick at 3 cents an acre, or are you going to spout some bullshit about how it should've been free
2 years ago
Anonymous
>or are you going to spout some bullshit about how it should've been free
Literally no one was going to stop the US from just taking it, so yes. And Jefferson’s autism led him to believe he “couldn’t” buy it so also frick his hypocritical ass. If Adams had won a second term and done it he would thrown an absolute spergout of a tantrum like the homosexual he was
2 years ago
Anonymous
>fight a war for it and lose both men and money against the greatest general who has ever lived
Or >buy it for pennies
There is a reason halfwits like you never held public office
2 years ago
Anonymous
>napoleon was going to invade the US
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the President was going to convince Congress and the nation to invade French territory with its army of 4,000 frontier patrollers while diplomatic options were still available
this isn't a videogame
2 years ago
Anonymous
>this isn't a videogame
Exactly. France had literally no way of reasonably taking back Louisiana if the US just said "Mine".
2 years ago
Anonymous
Do you really think that's how politics works?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>heyo boys, dem der Frenchies are all dogone mad and invading everbody 'round >now, they ain't got no way of coming for us too >so its 'bout time we make a move ourselves and take some of deir land out West, ain't no one livin' der anyhows
2 years ago
Anonymous
There was significant opposition to even just buying it and you think you could push a war declaration trough Congress?
I retract all previous statements, you're correct, clearly you have a much better insight into 1803 politics than the politicians of the time
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is your fetish being a moronic c**t on an anonymous Vietnamese basket weaving forum or are you just severely autistic?
2 years ago
Anonymous
why so mad? Is being correct not enough?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>why so mad
Autism it is
2 years ago
Anonymous
>fight a war with a man who’s an ocean away, already in the middle of a war with all of Europe, has no intention of ever sailing to fricking America for some completely undeveloped land, and whose only other competition for said land is also balls deep in said war
Are you clinically moronic or what?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>invade a place while he fights a war against the world (one he wins) >turn around and land upon the American shores exactly like they did in the Revolutionary War less than a lifetime beforehand >burn the White House
If you think the American Army pre-Civil War could handle Nappy at his best you are smoking crack
2 years ago
Anonymous
>one he wins
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Napoleon lost the War of the Third Coalition >or the Fourth
Wow big surprise, a frogposter doesn't know shit about history. Do me a favor and read a goddamn book sometime.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So at what point during all this “””winning””” was he going to sail for America to wage war on the US for the sake of some completely undeveloped, barely even surveyed, mass of land that had only one (1) minor French trading port to provide him with arms, men and material, while leaving his “victories” in Europe to be immediately retaken by his enemies?
Please enlighten me anon
2 years ago
Anonymous
>win the war of the Third Coalition (too ez) >send a force to sail over and frick America under command of one of his better marshals or himself since allowing a sovereign nation to nip away pieces of your empire isn't something you can just allow without consequence >burn the White House in a month >burn American ports and loot the land until you hit French territory
Literally anything more than Nappy selling this land was not gonna end well for the USA.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>send a force to sail over
He did. And they all died immediately of disease. Hence the sale.
You are genuinely moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
Disease and Haitians you mean.
2 years ago
Sage
>troops got BTFO’d by a bunch of Black folk but Nappy somehow could have fought his way from DC to Louisiana
Really makes you wonder what’s going on in anons head
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah but it's not the middle now. Just move it already.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hmmm
Move the capital to satisfy some odd autism not observed anywhere in the world?
No
2 years ago
Anonymous
Paris is somewhat in the middle, so is Tokyo, Stockholm, Madrid, Berlin.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Have you...ever actually seen a map of Germany, France, or Sweden?
2 years ago
Anonymous
You have to add East Prussia and Berlin is smack in the middle.
>to not have 3x as many losses
Dixoids suffered 10x from their loss of a single man compared to the Union, which could fill those “losses” with Black person and Irish cannon fodder. Dixoids were doomed from day one of voting for secession, as Lee himself said
Only if Davis had told Lee to frick off and let Longstreet and Bragg march into Ohio like they suggested. Lee was only ever good at playing defense (and solely when going against morons at that) and Gettysburg unequivocally proved that
Control of Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri would have added 50% to manpower, 80% to manufacturing, and 40% to horses and mules. Not to mention the Ohio River barrier.
No.
Nothing short of nukes could give the Confederacy a win in the Civil War
The only way they'd have won is if Maryland joined and DC got immediately surrounded
not even then, bro. have you seen a map of MD?
Union moves HQ a few miles north to Pennsylvania, picks off western MD like it already picked off WV, carries out the grand-strategy as usual through TN. Nothing changes other than minor inconveniences to fat Senators.
I actually wonder if Maryland joining the CSA would have resulted in the capital permanently being relocated. Maybe back to Philadelphia or New York?
if Maryland joined the CSA the political war would be entirely lost
Definitely not New York. The City nearly seceded from the rest of the state to keep their slave-trade/cotton-exporting money pipeline running smoothly, and then of course there’s the Draft Riots a week after Meade BTFO’d Lee at Gettysburg. Probably would have ended up in Philly
Hardly. It would have been swamped by Union men before it had a chance to do anything
It should've been somewhere in the lower Midwest, like Cincinnati.
Cincinnati is too chilly
Ok St. Louis? It never made sense to put the capital far out East and not in the middle.
>It never made sense to put the capital far out East
topwut
Maryland was “the middle” of the original 13. There wasn’t even a “middle” anywhere near St. Louis until Jefferson paid way too much for the Louisiana Purchase
>Jefferson paid way too much for the Louisiana Purchase
are you fricking kidding it was cheap as frick at 3 cents an acre, or are you going to spout some bullshit about how it should've been free
>or are you going to spout some bullshit about how it should've been free
Literally no one was going to stop the US from just taking it, so yes. And Jefferson’s autism led him to believe he “couldn’t” buy it so also frick his hypocritical ass. If Adams had won a second term and done it he would thrown an absolute spergout of a tantrum like the homosexual he was
>fight a war for it and lose both men and money against the greatest general who has ever lived
Or
>buy it for pennies
There is a reason halfwits like you never held public office
>napoleon was going to invade the US
>the President was going to convince Congress and the nation to invade French territory with its army of 4,000 frontier patrollers while diplomatic options were still available
this isn't a videogame
>this isn't a videogame
Exactly. France had literally no way of reasonably taking back Louisiana if the US just said "Mine".
Do you really think that's how politics works?
>heyo boys, dem der Frenchies are all dogone mad and invading everbody 'round
>now, they ain't got no way of coming for us too
>so its 'bout time we make a move ourselves and take some of deir land out West, ain't no one livin' der anyhows
There was significant opposition to even just buying it and you think you could push a war declaration trough Congress?
>actually doubling-down on being this wrong
I retract all previous statements, you're correct, clearly you have a much better insight into 1803 politics than the politicians of the time
Is your fetish being a moronic c**t on an anonymous Vietnamese basket weaving forum or are you just severely autistic?
why so mad? Is being correct not enough?
>why so mad
Autism it is
>fight a war with a man who’s an ocean away, already in the middle of a war with all of Europe, has no intention of ever sailing to fricking America for some completely undeveloped land, and whose only other competition for said land is also balls deep in said war
Are you clinically moronic or what?
>invade a place while he fights a war against the world (one he wins)
>turn around and land upon the American shores exactly like they did in the Revolutionary War less than a lifetime beforehand
>burn the White House
If you think the American Army pre-Civil War could handle Nappy at his best you are smoking crack
>one he wins
>Napoleon lost the War of the Third Coalition
>or the Fourth
Wow big surprise, a frogposter doesn't know shit about history. Do me a favor and read a goddamn book sometime.
So at what point during all this “””winning””” was he going to sail for America to wage war on the US for the sake of some completely undeveloped, barely even surveyed, mass of land that had only one (1) minor French trading port to provide him with arms, men and material, while leaving his “victories” in Europe to be immediately retaken by his enemies?
Please enlighten me anon
>win the war of the Third Coalition (too ez)
>send a force to sail over and frick America under command of one of his better marshals or himself since allowing a sovereign nation to nip away pieces of your empire isn't something you can just allow without consequence
>burn the White House in a month
>burn American ports and loot the land until you hit French territory
Literally anything more than Nappy selling this land was not gonna end well for the USA.
>send a force to sail over
He did. And they all died immediately of disease. Hence the sale.
You are genuinely moron
Disease and Haitians you mean.
>troops got BTFO’d by a bunch of Black folk but Nappy somehow could have fought his way from DC to Louisiana
Really makes you wonder what’s going on in anons head
Yeah but it's not the middle now. Just move it already.
Hmmm
Move the capital to satisfy some odd autism not observed anywhere in the world?
No
Paris is somewhat in the middle, so is Tokyo, Stockholm, Madrid, Berlin.
Have you...ever actually seen a map of Germany, France, or Sweden?
You have to add East Prussia and Berlin is smack in the middle.
>putting the capital of the US in the midwest
The Union would have won and San Francisco would become the new capital of America
>San Francisco would become the new capital of America
I can’t imagine a worse reality
Awful take
Maybe? Propably the only time that could happen since they were already changing the constitution so it could be bundled together
So the Union needs nukes to not have 3x as many losses as the Confederacy?
>fighting an entrenched foe results in more casualties for the attacker in a pre APC war
Holy shit dude you cracked the code
the South was on the tactical offensive more often than not due to being the light and mirror of irrepressible elan
>to not have 3x as many losses
Dixoids suffered 10x from their loss of a single man compared to the Union, which could fill those “losses” with Black person and Irish cannon fodder. Dixoids were doomed from day one of voting for secession, as Lee himself said
It was like 1:1.5 in favor of the defending Confeds.
/thread
Only if Davis had told Lee to frick off and let Longstreet and Bragg march into Ohio like they suggested. Lee was only ever good at playing defense (and solely when going against morons at that) and Gettysburg unequivocally proved that
It's entirely possible
Kentucky would've been relatively useless. Maryland and Delaware could've been annoying for Lincoln but not enough to help the Confederacy win.
Kentucky was a very useful state, in both geography and men
Control of Maryland, Kentucky, and Missouri would have added 50% to manpower, 80% to manufacturing, and 40% to horses and mules. Not to mention the Ohio River barrier.
The US capitol should be in a floating city that traverses the skies over all fifty states.