I don't. Why would I believe in something like that? I don't believe silly stuff like men becoming women or a piece of bread becoming the body of a 1st century rabbi.
You’re not even defending your beliefs at this point, you’re just accusing your opponents of also having stupid beliefs when op already clarified he doesn’t believe that.
No wonder Christianity is bleeding out. You people really have nothing.
Why wouldn't you want to hear a word from me about ridiculous beliefs? I believe that both the talking snake and the troony shit are ridiculous so I believe in neither.
Does that upset you?
I like pointing out obvious things too, like a kid or something. I literally wear a "Please be patient.." hat, Anon....
1 month ago
Cult of Passion
I took the test, said I am suffering. I have suffered ever since.
I like taking tests, then I feel sad...until I take another test, then Im happy for a while...
1 month ago
Anonymous
Yeah it’s not like an own or something anon I’m just pointing out that your brain doesn’t work to the point where a doctor would have to diagnose it.
1 month ago
Cult of Passion
I am literally the lead Psychologist on the planet, you would have a sense of this if you werent so scientifically illiterate...Peter is a lightning rod.
This reply is funny to me because you need me to believe in silly gendershit because otherwise you'll feel silly about your religious beliefs.
The problem of course is that I believe there are only two genders and men can't become women.
[...]
Most pro-trannies are atheists, I don't want to hear a word from you about "ridiculous beliefs".
>is asked to defend the literal word of God, which states that snakes can talk >can't do it, has to obfuscate and redirect the discussion towards trannies
grim. any given atheist can state their disbelief that men can become women
you can't state your disbelief that snakes can talk, because you'd be renouncing God's word.
Snakes can't talk, and the people who wrote Genesis knew that too. Talking animals are literary devices that indicate something odd is going on to the reader, a divine being in this case. But this won't ever stop your crying so please proceed.
The episode literal culminates in the snake as a species losing it's limbs as a curse for it's misdeed. It's an explanation for the origin of serpents. It's absolutely literal.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Do snakes literally eat dust? You're projecting your own moronation onto the authors if you think they were writing this to explain why snakes don't have legs as if it's some great concern in their prescientific minds, lmfao. Read ancient near eastern scholarship if you actually care (which you don't) to understand these texts. Same goes for
You literally have evidence for this, you're just struggling with your own cognitive dissonance believing in mythology.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Do snakes literally eat dust?
People in the middle ages thought wasps spawned out of the carcasses of dead animals and pelicans fed their young with their own blood, and hyenas were hermaphrodites. Zoology is a very recent science.
1 month ago
Anonymous
So the authors of the Epic of Gilgamesh thought humans subsisted on dust and clay? Incredible hermeneutic anon. Surely it's impossible they meant anything else... No, every text in the world must be read as a physics dissertation... >There is the house whose people sit in darkness; dust is their food and clay their meat. They are clothed like birds with wings for covering, they see no light, they sit in darkness. I entered the house of dust and I saw the kings of the earth, their crowns put away for ever; rulers and princes, all those who once wore kingly crowns and ruled the world in the days of old. They who had stood in the place of the gods like Anu and Enlil, stood now like servants to fetch baked meats in the house of dust, to carry cooked meat and cold water from the water-skin.
1 month ago
Anonymous
False equivalency. You might as well post a DnD manual like a jackass. >HURR DURR DO PEOPLE THINK ELVES EXIST LOL xD
It's not looking good for your theism when you're literally admitting Genesis is a fantasy.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Whoa holy shit you are dumb. Tell me, is "the sun rose yesterday morning" a true or false statement?
What's even you're trying to make? If the serpent is a fantasy then it shouldn't be believed. And what's even the symbolism supposed to be that the individual Satan, who is not a snake according to you, deceived Eve and so the species of snake has been cursed to slithering on their belly.
???????????????????????????(
Stay in school
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Stay in school
Got em
1 month ago
Anonymous
What's even you're trying to make? If the serpent is a fantasy then it shouldn't be believed. And what's even the symbolism supposed to be that the individual Satan, who is not a snake according to you, deceived Eve and so the species of snake has been cursed to slithering on their belly.
???????????????????????????(
1 month ago
Anonymous
This passage is Enkidu's telling of his deathbed vision of the afterlife. You can take it as a sincere portrayal of the Sumerian idea of an afterlife otherworld, as poetic allegory for the ravages of time and equalization of death, or whatever. But you can't take it as a Sumerian's description of how living humans actually lived and subsisted, in their own time, or in any other.
Pretty much the only way you'd know this passage is if you knew what the context was, so in other words, I think you're being dishonest.
In any case, I don't think anyone believes that Sumerian epics should be taken seriously either. I think most people would view it as art and artifact, a window into an ancient lost cultural milieu, where allegories, myths and embellishments illuminate the values, modes of thought, and can allude to or hint toward real events, people and issues faced by the peoples who formed these narratives. That's how sensible serious people view the Bible as well. You can suggest that the Bible isn't really meant to be regarded as true stuff, so that it doesn't look silly to base your whole life around the presumption that it IS, and see how that plays.
1 month ago
Anonymous
So when the EOG talks about kings being humiliated and forced to eat dust in an otherworldly place, you can take this as a poetic allegory. But when Genesis talks about a rebellious divine creature getting humiliated on his belly and forced to eat dust while in the garden of a deity, this suddenly must mean it's a scientific theory about why snakes exist. Incredible.
Also funny you're calling me dishonest when the mere suggestion that you read a several thousand year old text in a context outside a scientific 21st century Westerner's mindset is treated as an outlandish idea- just, LOL. You and the other antitheists on this board are incredibility dishonest.
>That's how sensible serious people view the Bible as well.
Serious and sensible people understand a book in the context it was written, something which I've never seen an atheist on this board do, instead filling threads like these with fundamentalist drivel acting like Genesis fell out of heaven yesterday in no form other than that of a KJV Bible.
>Stay in school
Got em
Yes you certainly should if you're incapable of following a basic argument
1 month ago
Anonymous
anon that passage is about the Underworld. Of course living people can't subsist on that. The Dead can in their dreary semi-existence.
this tale has most likely changed a lot during the millenias it was transmitted orally.
the core of it is that the type of conscience we developed doomed us to a miserable existence of self-hate, shying away from God and demonization of others.
we're not just tainted by the original sin, we practice it at every thought. it's a mind posture.
the garden of eden is most likely nature with which we can't be in harmony anymore because it exclusively obeys God and we stopped doing that...
Most famous atheist like Humphreys, Dawkins, Carrier, Darkmatter2525, etc are basolute high iq respected chads. Most popular Christians today are moronic evangelical preachers screeching in halls full of rednecks and old women
I didn't believe in talking snakes, but this picture of an unbelieving man with a fedora and a katana convinced me otherwise. I absolutely do NOT want to be seen as a guy who enjoys sharp objects and unfashionable headwear! That's why I believe in talking snakes and cursed apples now.
I don't remember why any of us losers ever thought the button down dragon shirt was cool. I can understand a trenchcoat and a fedora in theory, that's like a noir detective type, very cool type. But who the frick were we modeling with the button-down dragon shirt? Nobody real or fictional ever made that look cool
Why don't Christians even use apologetics anymore? Even the mildest criticism of Christianity causes people to start screeching about trannies, every single time.
You believe men can become women.
I don't. Why would I believe in something like that? I don't believe silly stuff like men becoming women or a piece of bread becoming the body of a 1st century rabbi.
Most pro-trannies are atheists, I don't want to hear a word from you about "ridiculous beliefs".
You’re not even defending your beliefs at this point, you’re just accusing your opponents of also having stupid beliefs when op already clarified he doesn’t believe that.
No wonder Christianity is bleeding out. You people really have nothing.
Why wouldn't you want to hear a word from me about ridiculous beliefs? I believe that both the talking snake and the troony shit are ridiculous so I believe in neither.
Does that upset you?
Op already said he doesn’t, but even if he did that wouldn’t make your beliefs less stupid. That’s not how truth works.
No actually... I do not.
What now?
>muh trannies
Like pottery
Unironically less moronic.
When did you stop beating your wife?
>Sounds too silly.
So does the chain-blocking-breaking-chainer-attackierist...until it breaks your chain-block you practiced since highschool.
I was already countering your counter, you cant hope to defeat me, my Euphoria is ten times your's, maybe even more so probably.
Shitty bot.
Thats an actual picture of me in my early 20's, just before setting off to explore the world for the first time.
You train with sword and pen, right?...
Blatant autism spectrum disorder
Yes, Passio in Latin means suffering.
I like pointing out obvious things too, like a kid or something. I literally wear a "Please be patient.." hat, Anon....
I took the test, said I am suffering. I have suffered ever since.
I like taking tests, then I feel sad...until I take another test, then Im happy for a while...
Yeah it’s not like an own or something anon I’m just pointing out that your brain doesn’t work to the point where a doctor would have to diagnose it.
I am literally the lead Psychologist on the planet, you would have a sense of this if you werent so scientifically illiterate...Peter is a lightning rod.
>chain-blocking-breaking-chainer-attackierist
Its the gun.
Just shoot 'em.
The thread that broke IQfy christians
Yet you believe in 65 genders. Tell me more.
The classic third world response.
This reply is funny to me because you need me to believe in silly gendershit because otherwise you'll feel silly about your religious beliefs.
The problem of course is that I believe there are only two genders and men can't become women.
>The problem of course is that I believe there are only two genders
Two species in hybridized endosymbiosis. One gender. Two species.
All this gender shit related to sub-speciation and reverse-hybridization.
>is asked to defend the literal word of God, which states that snakes can talk
>can't do it, has to obfuscate and redirect the discussion towards trannies
grim. any given atheist can state their disbelief that men can become women
you can't state your disbelief that snakes can talk, because you'd be renouncing God's word.
Snakes can't talk, and the people who wrote Genesis knew that too. Talking animals are literary devices that indicate something odd is going on to the reader, a divine being in this case. But this won't ever stop your crying so please proceed.
You literally have evidence for this, you're just struggling with your own cognitive dissonance believing in mythology.
The episode literal culminates in the snake as a species losing it's limbs as a curse for it's misdeed. It's an explanation for the origin of serpents. It's absolutely literal.
Do snakes literally eat dust? You're projecting your own moronation onto the authors if you think they were writing this to explain why snakes don't have legs as if it's some great concern in their prescientific minds, lmfao. Read ancient near eastern scholarship if you actually care (which you don't) to understand these texts. Same goes for
>Do snakes literally eat dust?
People in the middle ages thought wasps spawned out of the carcasses of dead animals and pelicans fed their young with their own blood, and hyenas were hermaphrodites. Zoology is a very recent science.
So the authors of the Epic of Gilgamesh thought humans subsisted on dust and clay? Incredible hermeneutic anon. Surely it's impossible they meant anything else... No, every text in the world must be read as a physics dissertation...
>There is the house whose people sit in darkness; dust is their food and clay their meat. They are clothed like birds with wings for covering, they see no light, they sit in darkness. I entered the house of dust and I saw the kings of the earth, their crowns put away for ever; rulers and princes, all those who once wore kingly crowns and ruled the world in the days of old. They who had stood in the place of the gods like Anu and Enlil, stood now like servants to fetch baked meats in the house of dust, to carry cooked meat and cold water from the water-skin.
False equivalency. You might as well post a DnD manual like a jackass.
>HURR DURR DO PEOPLE THINK ELVES EXIST LOL xD
It's not looking good for your theism when you're literally admitting Genesis is a fantasy.
Whoa holy shit you are dumb. Tell me, is "the sun rose yesterday morning" a true or false statement?
Stay in school
>Stay in school
Got em
What's even you're trying to make? If the serpent is a fantasy then it shouldn't be believed. And what's even the symbolism supposed to be that the individual Satan, who is not a snake according to you, deceived Eve and so the species of snake has been cursed to slithering on their belly.
???????????????????????????(
This passage is Enkidu's telling of his deathbed vision of the afterlife. You can take it as a sincere portrayal of the Sumerian idea of an afterlife otherworld, as poetic allegory for the ravages of time and equalization of death, or whatever. But you can't take it as a Sumerian's description of how living humans actually lived and subsisted, in their own time, or in any other.
Pretty much the only way you'd know this passage is if you knew what the context was, so in other words, I think you're being dishonest.
In any case, I don't think anyone believes that Sumerian epics should be taken seriously either. I think most people would view it as art and artifact, a window into an ancient lost cultural milieu, where allegories, myths and embellishments illuminate the values, modes of thought, and can allude to or hint toward real events, people and issues faced by the peoples who formed these narratives. That's how sensible serious people view the Bible as well. You can suggest that the Bible isn't really meant to be regarded as true stuff, so that it doesn't look silly to base your whole life around the presumption that it IS, and see how that plays.
So when the EOG talks about kings being humiliated and forced to eat dust in an otherworldly place, you can take this as a poetic allegory. But when Genesis talks about a rebellious divine creature getting humiliated on his belly and forced to eat dust while in the garden of a deity, this suddenly must mean it's a scientific theory about why snakes exist. Incredible.
Also funny you're calling me dishonest when the mere suggestion that you read a several thousand year old text in a context outside a scientific 21st century Westerner's mindset is treated as an outlandish idea- just, LOL. You and the other antitheists on this board are incredibility dishonest.
>That's how sensible serious people view the Bible as well.
Serious and sensible people understand a book in the context it was written, something which I've never seen an atheist on this board do, instead filling threads like these with fundamentalist drivel acting like Genesis fell out of heaven yesterday in no form other than that of a KJV Bible.
Yes you certainly should if you're incapable of following a basic argument
anon that passage is about the Underworld. Of course living people can't subsist on that. The Dead can in their dreary semi-existence.
people like this are the ones calling atheists midwits btw
this tale has most likely changed a lot during the millenias it was transmitted orally.
the core of it is that the type of conscience we developed doomed us to a miserable existence of self-hate, shying away from God and demonization of others.
we're not just tainted by the original sin, we practice it at every thought. it's a mind posture.
the garden of eden is most likely nature with which we can't be in harmony anymore because it exclusively obeys God and we stopped doing that...
Most famous atheist like Humphreys, Dawkins, Carrier, Darkmatter2525, etc are basolute high iq respected chads. Most popular Christians today are moronic evangelical preachers screeching in halls full of rednecks and old women
Now imagine if instead of a snake, it was an actual sword. Like a talking metal sword. I bet you that Christianity would be more popular
I didn't believe in talking snakes, but this picture of an unbelieving man with a fedora and a katana convinced me otherwise. I absolutely do NOT want to be seen as a guy who enjoys sharp objects and unfashionable headwear! That's why I believe in talking snakes and cursed apples now.
He'd look cool with different shirt and if he didn't live in suburb
I don't remember why any of us losers ever thought the button down dragon shirt was cool. I can understand a trenchcoat and a fedora in theory, that's like a noir detective type, very cool type. But who the frick were we modeling with the button-down dragon shirt? Nobody real or fictional ever made that look cool
Why don't Christians even use apologetics anymore? Even the mildest criticism of Christianity causes people to start screeching about trannies, every single time.
It is a bit silly ‘innit
Then take it as a metaphor.
Or don't.