I'm starting to think that reading philosophy is pointless.
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I'm starting to think that reading philosophy is pointless.
I'm starting to think that reading philosophy is pointless.
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Instead of consuming all the time maybe you should learn to create
I have Ableton open as I type this you homosexual.
having ableton open on your laptop takes an internet connection and a working finger. creating is different. the fact of the matter is you're posting on IQfy, perhaps to procrastinate, perhaps because you are uninspired, or have nothing better to do. but your defense to being told to create in the form of name dropping software is shallow and homosexual. go create something
>an internet connection
i do not pay for software you b***h. i am listening to a mixdown i just finished as i type this. i will literally kill you with a bat
lol this guy said hes listening to a mixdown get tf outta here you fraud
frick you
so is posting on IQfy, so why do you do both?
youre doing philo sophy right now owned
not the same as reading it, is it
Congratulations on turning 18!
Start with the Greeks.
Start with the Monkes.
It is indeed
You think like a philosopher now
Yes, just read theology
It is
Yep
I'm starting to think the opposite, and indeed that all human efforts could be called extensions or products of philosophy.
you just suck at chess and thats why you have to cope with reading philosophy lmao
This.
I gave up philosophy around 18, around '07, as mentioned in this post:
I was fine for a decade and now the woke and anti-woke revolutions have had a stranglehold on society and I now feel like philosophy is lurking just under the surface of everything.
Philosophy can lead you to different perspectives, open your mind or even spirituality / religion. So it's not pointless. But as others have said, only if you are studying things you are interested in. We are sorely missing introspective thinking and self-enquiry in todays age...
yep
Why are you interested in the things you're intereted? Do you trust it?
I'm not trying to say that only things you are interested in are truths, if that's what you're thinking. But if you're just studying philosophy to do it because some anons told you to on a basket weaving forum then you probably won't get as much out of it, if anything...
>trust the interpretations of others instead
Just read some canon and if you truly like it, read some more. You can only gain as much from any great mind as your own allows you to.
Do you trust your dislike of something(or absence of liking)?
i stopped trusting and caring long ago fren
you're a brainlet
Yeah I kind of agree with you
I don't like this idea that as someone who reads literature, that I should read all the major philosophers in a kind of checkbox ticking exercise or that I should do it as some kind of misguided self help or 'productive' exercise
There are times that I feel like reading philosophy because I'm curious about a particular philosophers views but I stop myself from doing so because I think I'd be better off just reading literature instead
The only scenario in which I'd seriously consider reading philosophy is if I were to dedicate myself to it, reading the works of the philosophers, reading serious scholarly work done on these philosophers and deeply engaging with the philosophical problems, nothing surface level, no reading for the sake of reading
Yeah. If you ever start reading philosophy take this to heart: "start with the Greeks" is awful advice. It is pretty much the very, VERY beginning, the most rudimentary adumbrations of what western philosophy would become and you can tell. Some of the shit is just so asinine and silly you don't need to read it. Just start with whatever's interesting. If you like idealism read about it, if you like determinism read about it. Etc.
And what does it mean for something to be "pointless?" Hm?
Doesn't lead to money or sex with attractive women. What kind of a stupid question is that?
Nor does posting on IQfy, anon. If your definition on productive is getting laid and money, why would you be here?
Some people have jobs and want to chill a bit. IQfy is pointless but it doesn't pretend otherwise.
Reading is pointless if you don't practice and implement it in your life. Read all you want, but pick the best parts from everything and use them to improve your own life, and by extension your family's, community's and nation as a whole.
your mom is pointless...gottem
For you, yes.
There's no fricking way I have anything to gain reading about the philosophers who argue about existence.
We're here, there's a traceable history far enough back, I know people were alive before me and more will come. I have my faith.
What the hell can reading about those idiots who argued about the self and the observed get me?
As I live, I encounter questions, which I could attempt to answer to the best of my ability. But, is it not vain to be contented with the answers of the best of my ability, ability of mine only, which I can't discern shallow or not? I dare not answer a question which seem the most familiar and which a person living besides me would equate to common sense. Thus I philosophize and thus I study philosophy.
But would you have arrived at that poaition without reading philosophy?
it isn't philosophy if you read philosophers
just have your own untainted thoughts
That argument is a philosophical position, anon.
It's not the act of reading philosophy that is pointless, anyway. It's consuming philosophy. If you are not arguing with their argument, finding or trying to find contradictions, counter arguments and so on, if you are just passively reading philosophy, then yes, it's pointless.
>It's not the act of reading philosophy that is pointless, anyway. It's consuming philosophy.
consuming philosophy isn't philosophy, it's just reading.
Which is what most people do. They see philosophy as a checkbox they must tick. That is one of the explanation for OP's position. If you read the philosophers or the kind of philosophy you are interested, it's not pointless[unless you want to argue that the very act of reading books is pointless]. But when you force yourself to read philosophy and that you must read every philosopher we know about starting with the greeks, you are going to burnout and think philosophy is pointless.
real philosophy is the kind where you question whether you should feel guilt or not for thinking you understand something
As you wouldn't challenge a bird's ability to fly, seeing it take off and instead you were only inspired by it, who's to say you have to entertain a philosopers' self-important ramblings. What if you take it as seeing the world in a concentrated way, through the philosopher's lenses and instead let it wash over you as you did with the bird taking flight.
Sure, but then you not reading it passively.
For every famous philisopher you have another one with the absolute opposite opinion.
There are no answers, most philosophy isn't even derived from first principles or hard data, it's literally just an opinion.
Read, I think, the first 5 pages of Aristotle's Metaphysics and tell me how he interprets what a fact is
Youre right. Get back to work so you can pay your mortgage or rent or whatever so you can rest comfortably in your home as you consume Netflix and instagram for an hour and wake up and go back to work again.
…Which is what I’d be doing anyways even if I read Phenomenology of the Spirit or Being and Time. What, so realizing my inner Ubermensch or whatever’s gonna liberate me from responsibility?
Not the anon you replied to but
>What, so realizing my inner Ubermensch or whatever’s gonna liberate me from responsibility?
Kind of yes. But you have to reframe "liberation from responsibility" (or from whatever) not as coming to have no responsibilities—you'd actually still be chained to responsibility in that case by either desiring some or avoiding them—but as having responsibilities as normal but not letting them dictate or control your mind.
Yeah you don't need to read philosophy for that, but the right books and practices can help.
Those who study philosophy, do and those who don't, don't. It's futily to put further shackles on things because the greatest shackles of fate already exist
Only if you're doing it the wrong way. You can't really "study" philosophy the way you study mathematics or phystics. To read philosophy the proper way is to essentially hold a dialogue between yourself, your own philosophy, and another philosopher and his own philosophy. If done properly, it's a conversation, out of which you may extract elements to improve your own philosophy.