In the Christian afterlife, would marriages remain intact? I know there's not supposed to be sex in heaven, but would the special bond just disappear like that? Additionally, would youth be returned? The Christian afterlife is supposed to be corporeal, right?
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There's a passage that says there is no marriage in heaven because we become like the angels. Kind of morbid. It turned me away from Christianity even though I'm not married or anything
Do you still believe in an afterlife?
Yes. Of course. The Greeks and the Norse were right. We will reincarnate into a similar but different realm as we ascend.
>For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
The NT is based on the Roman cosmology where stars are a piece of original creation and everything ends up, as the Stoics said, being consumed by fire. Hence why the Orthodox have a chant about being purified through fire. The Lake of Fire consumes hell because it is not hell, but rather the all-consuming realm of fire, which the Norse called Muspell. But, there is an escape.
Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
No. Yes. I don't know. Yes.
>For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
That verse is not saying that marriage is going to abolished for the married.
Patristic Source: https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1904.htm
You aren't citing the Bible, so I don't care and I dismiss your claim out of hand.
>You aren't citing the Bible, so I don't care and I dismiss your claim out of hand.
I take it you have a Protestant background? That verse you posted was Jesus answering a question from the Book of Tobit. Seven brothers married the same woman (Sarah) in succession and all died before the marriage could be consummated. Tobias later married Sarah and claimed what no other suitor was able to claim (Consummation). Since the previous marriages were never consummated they were never complete and binding. That’s why Jesus said “You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God”. The seven brothers they were referring to were never actually married to the woman, hence the statement that they would be like angels instead of married or given in marriage. Jesus avoided a theological trap by correcting them on scripture (a book that protestant bibles don't have). Tobit 3:16-17
Stop trying to bring context into this, that's not what the line says.
>that's not what the line says.
It does. They were discussing what happened in the book of Tobit.
Widows and widowers used to retire to the monastery and to the convent after the death their spouse. The Orthodox Church makes it really hard to remarry after the death of a spouse. When it does happen, the first marriage is the only one where it is considered sacramental. Bishops and priests don't really like the idea of remarriage so most people go for a civil marriage.
>They were discussing what happened in the book of Tobit.
That's irrelevant to the verse's interpretation.
>That's irrelevant to the verse's interpretation.
So you're admitting that you are unable to provide a refutation? They were talking about Sarah and the seven brothers.
How does it work with death and remarriage then? Obviously if you only ever marry one person and don't have sex after there's no issue, that's what I'd plan to do, but what if not?
>How does it work with death and remarriage then?
see
you dont stay married after death.
There is this but just because marriage will be gone doesn't mean a new institution better than marriage could be established. Adam and Eve were married before sin in Eden, so why wouldn't there be something better than marriage in the restored Eden of Rev 22? I find it hard to believe God would've eventually separated Adam and Eve had they not sinned.
Christian heaven sounds kind of shit. Live in a city, no sleep, no food, no sex, just worshiping God for eternity. Why put us through a life like this just to end up like that?
Surely the creator of the world would create an afterlife somewhat analogous to the world, you know, NATURE. I don't want to be in a slightly better version of an unnatural manmade urban shithole.
>Surely the creator of the world would create an afterlife somewhat analogous to the world, you know, NATURE
You're absolutely right.
That's the whole point of the resurrection bro, this universe isn't being left behind. The mission of Eden to subdue and hold dominion over nature will resume and we will spend the next few billions of years travelling beyond our planet to conquer the whole universe. That protestant fundamentalist conception is an odd one.
The entire world isn't going to turn into a city. I am 100% certain their will still be plants and animals, possibly more than before. After all, God made Adam his gardener and had him name the animals. We are supposed to live in harmony with nature. I'm positive we'll still have food, since one of the things Jesus did when he resurrected was eat with the apostles.
>angels
Your writings, your DNA, the things people remember about you. That is what is left of you in the afterlife. The code that is left behind is like an angel. A messenger, to help future generations avoid your sin of dying.
im intrigued. go on pls
Now about the dead rising—have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the account of the burning bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’ He is not the God of the dead,
but of the living.
Genesis 22:11
Genesis 31:11
Exodus 3:4
Mark 15:34
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Psalm 82
Our conscience is judged in the great assembly of narural forces among other consciences.
Do you ever judge unjustly, or show partiality to what is wrong?
We are all concious. We are all consciences. Sure, we all die like men, and like every other great judge, we will fall from our seat at this amazing body we command. When you fall down, rose up again my Lord. All of the bodies of this cosmos are ours.
Ascend. Rise up. Lift your spirit. We are gods in the great assembly.
How do you rise up? Judge your neighbor as you judge your self, and you will ascend. Become one with other consciences. Simple as.
Don't be selfish, don't be a hypocrite. Selfishness is death. Selfishness separates you from the assembly.
Who should we crown king of a great body? A Selfish fool who does not take care of the body? or the righteous who love us, and care for the whole body, and lift us up? The righteous ascend, and gain conplexity. Theybfrow eyes, and ears, and other forms of information sharing. The selfish descend, and are made simple.
Only connect.
You will be united as one flesh with your soulmate for all eternity.
It will not be a worldly marriage where you sign a contract, but instead a spiritual marriage. There will still be sex, and reproduction in the new world too. Along with futuristic heavenly cities, and beautiful nature with delicious food and drink.
You will be eternally youthful, and immortal. There will be space travel in the glorified bodies, like Superman flying to other alien worlds all throughout the universe. This is what is meant by, "we will be like the angels in heaven".
God has promised all of this, you're only scared off by the most boring interpretations of the Bible. The truth is so much greater than that.
It wouldn't make sense for marriage to be preserved in the afterlife, since Christianity allows for remarriage by widows.
Like, imaging you die, then your wife dies, and she tells you that she remarried after your death, and once her second husband dies, you'll have to share her with this other dude. That doesn't sound like something to happen in heaven.
More importantly the soul is genderless or hermaphroditic, and marriage and sex in general are always sinful. There would be no point in marriage as everyone will be unified into a single collective with no distinction.
>and marriage and sex in general are always sinful.
no.
No. See this verse. Direct words from Christ. He was asked if a woman had married multiple men, whom she'd be married to after death. His answer was none of them.
>would the special bond just disappear like that?
We can only speculate as heaven isn't something we can fully comprehend while we're here on earth. I don't see anywhere in the bible where God commands us to feel a certain emotion, only that we should treat everyone with love regardless of our feelings. I don't see why it would be wrong to have our special fondnesses for certain people in heaven so long as we treat everyone with love.
>would youth be returned?
Unfortunately there is no way to know this. The concept of "youth" and "elderly" and aging as a whole are probably not things that exist in heaven though we cannot comprehend an existence without them.
>In the Christian afterlife, would marriages remain intact?
Jesus in the gospels said no. We will live like the Angels.
Adam and Eve were a pair and they existed before procreation, so I figure that even if there isn't sex or anything, there will still probably be romantic love.
Yup, marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman that is meant to be the framework for having kids and keeping the family together, in heaven everyone is approved of by God, so there would be an element of redundancy.
In general heaven is left pretty ambiguous in Christianity, we'll see the face of God, we'll never experience pain or sadness ever again, we'll worship God, we'll be experiencing infinite tranquil and happiness, we know that "there are many rooms" in paradise, we know that heaven and earth will combine and a New Eden will be created, but I can't recall that much more than that. I like that though, everything I hear sounds good, but still much is left to speculation, doesn't that sound nice?
>we know that heaven and earth will combine and a New Eden will be created
This one isn't in the Bible, it's a myth from the babylonian talmud or somewhere in the kabbalah. It's taught by gnostic kabbalists.
Revelation 21:1-4 (NIV)
"Then I saw 'a new heaven and a new earth,' for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, 'Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.'"
Revelation is a bit of an interpretation heavy book though, so what it will be like in actuality is again a matter of a certain degree of speculation.
The new heaven and new earth from Revelation 21 isn't really the same thing as the current heaven and earth combining into a "new Eden." There is some kabbalah thing called tikkum oleh (I think that's the spelling of it) which the latter concept specifically comes from. It's very different.
If you want to see how the gnostic doctrines of talmudism are exposed, see Michael Hoffman's 2008 book, "Judaism Discovered." It is a highly comprehensive look at the inner workings of that ideology. A shorter book from a completely different perspective that also exposes these gnostic doctrines is the 1994 book called "israeli History, israeli Religion" by Israel Shahak. It's essentially like a defector from the mafia who exposed some of the inside rituals to the general public in a little-known book. Of course both of these books are blacklisted by mainstream media so you don't hear much about them today.
I see, yeah I worded that badly, interesting thing about the t*lmud though, I didn't know.
No in Christianity
Yes in Mormonism
What part of "till death do us part" is difficult to understand?
In my marriage ceremony I was told me and my wife will now become "one flesh and our souls binded for all eternity" so that is a pretty clear.
I have faith in my own church community and don't care for the ramblings of demonic D&C gays trying to quote scripture to me.
>one flesh and our souls binded for all eternity
this always felt a little off to me; maybe i've got the reading comprehension of a nine year-old, but wouldn't this imply that you both become one soul?
Sources about the Christian afterlife are incredibly contradictory
There is no afterlife so it doesn't matter.
That's the spirit. Life never ends, so how can anything come after it. Very wise brother.
There won't be (religious) marriage in heaven, for the simple reason that marriage is the way to have sex without fornication. Since lust does not exist in heaven, there's no need for marriage either.
If I had to guess I would say marriage will be dissolved in heaven because the way we love each other in heaven will be infinitely richer and more profound than any earthly marriage.
No one has seen or heard what God has prepared for those who love Him. We know that our bodies will be raised and glorified, and that creation will be renewed. We know that we will see God face to face. Anything beyond that is mostly speculation.
If wedding vows are anything to go by it's "until death do you part."
Also, a life together is one thing, an entirety sounds terrible.
For all those romanticizing about it being wonderful have clearly never been married.