>Raghavan — a manager, hired by Sundar Pichai, a former McKinsey man and a manager by trade — is an example of everything wrong with the tech industry. Despite his history as a true computer scientist with actual academic credentials, Raghavan chose to bulldoze actual workers and replace them with toadies that would make Google more profitable and less useful to the world at large.
>Since Prabhakar took the reins in 2020, Google Search has dramatically declined, with the numerous “core” search updates allegedly made to improve the quality of results having an adverse effect, increasing the prevalence of spammy, search engine optimized content.
>McKinsey man
daily remainder that these people run the EU and ((advise)) many European countries. Von der Leyen even got lectures from Nuland's hand picked Indian team. Its crazy if you read the "powerful" articles/interview about them. No wonder the west failed to contain Russia and let Ukraine die they have no stake in Europe beyond looking good before their superior and if some whites die so what probably helps the climate agenda.
>Since Prabhakar took the reins in 2020, Google Search has dramatically declined, with the numerous “core” search updates allegedly made to improve the quality of results having an adverse effect, increasing the prevalence of spammy, search engine optimized content
Not sure if it's directly his fault, but at least the latter part checks out, Google has completely gone to shit in recent years.
It used to be that Google was so much better than the competition that it was practically impossible to boycott them. Now I use other search engines simply because I actually want good results.
>the numerous “core” search updates allegedly made to improve the quality of results having an adverse effect, increasing the prevalence of spammy, search engine optimized content. >"saaar I need to help my friends back in Mumbai and Delhi with their operations saaaar!"
God I hate them so much. Like bordering on a "Mein Kampf" level of hatred.
Prabhakar took the reins in 2020, Google Search has dramatically declined, with the numerous “core” search updates allegedly made to improve the quality of results having an adverse effect, increasing the prevalence of spammy, search engine optimized content.
it's funny how normies believe it went to shit only in 2020. whereas the truth is that it went to shit by 2010
Terrible article based entirely on the opening line of >The story begins on February 5th 2019
This assumes that Google Search was good until 2019, which it wasn't. Google Search hasn't been good or even barely passable since the early 2010's.
Sure it might've gotten worse because they pushed out the guy who made search great in the first place and replaced him with some incompetent asshat for ideological reasons, but by the time that happened Search was already shit compared to what it was a decade prior.
so they make it more shitty so I make more searches as this will serve me more ads? lmao, it might work on normalgays though, theyre the ones buying stuff from google ads after all
Remember AMP or whatever it's called? They only rolled that out to iPhone users so I never noticed it outside of other people's phones.
Holy shit they all just accepted that the web worked that way now.
>make it more shitty so I make more searches as this will serve me more ads? lmao, it might work on normalgays
pajeet ideology. >Make everything shit so everyone gets to be spammed more
>"However, some sources also argue that reports of Google's demise have been "greatly exaggerated" and that the company's search dominance is not under immediate threat."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
They're intentionally ruining the company on purpose. Here's a small niggle I've noticed with Chrome lately. If you're fullscreen and ctrl+H, you can immediately start typing to search your history with no further clicks. Make your browser window smaller, for example by snapping it to the side of your screen so it's only half sized, and suddenly when you press ctrl+H you can't just start typing. Now you have to click the eyeglass in the top right, at which point it moves to the top left and you have to click it again. Until a week ago you only had to click it once, but an update made it worse. Why you even have to click at all when your window is smaller is beyond me.
>Probably the bigger change, from what I've heard, was losing Amit Singhal who led Search until 2016. Amit fought against creeping complexity. There is a semi-famous internal document he wrote where he argued against the other search leads that Google should use less machine-learning, or at least contain it as much as possible, so that ranking stays debuggable and understandable by human search engineers.
As I suspected, one in every million Indians is based. But of course, the loud majority has to ruin everything
>Gomes, a Googler of 19 years that built the foundation of modern search engines, should go down as one of the few people in tech that actually fought for a real principle, destroyed by and replaced with Prabhakar Raghavan
It was VERY noticably happening in 2020 and I only use google for translate and looking at a map of my hometown. I like to measure how far i wander when I'm drunk on homeade koolaid
Prabhakar Raghavan was my skip-level manager at Yahoo! and I'd known of him well before that, from my days at IBM Research.
The author says very few people knew who Raghavan was. Clearly he isn't a computer scientist. It is more an indication of the ignorance of the writer than anything else.
Raghavan's contributions to Computer Science and, Search in particular, which were made long before he joined Yahoo!, were word-class. That is the reason he was so sought after by search engine companies. His text book on Randomised Algorithms is a classic.
Calling Raghavan a 'McKinsey' consultant is just a pure ad-hominem attack. The purpose seems to be to vilify him by association. Which is utterly ironic considering that he never worked for them or was ever a 'consultant'
As for his contributions at Yahoo!, I don't think he had any significant influence on the management direction that company took. In my opinion, absolutely no one at Yahoo!, CEO downwards, had much control over their destiny.
Yahoo! was a clusterfck all around, with the primary problem being its utterly dysfunctional board, and unfortunate share ownership structure that made it beholden to the demands of Wall St, resulting in a parade of CEOs. Personnel churn was at such a high volume, that I, an individual contributor usually seven levels below the board, calculated that the average tenure of my leadership chain to the board changed once every fifteen days.
So blaming Raghavan for what happened at Yahoo! is just stupid.
I don't disagree with the assessment, that Google Search was 'getting too close to money.' But to assign blame in this manner smells like a hit piece.
Managers, take their marching order from their bosses, ultimately this is the board of the company. If the board feels the need for revenue growth, no manager, CEO included has the power to resist too much. They advise against it, but in the end they will either need to to their biding or be fired.
Yeah Google search sucks bc the Internet’s infested with millions of bad actors who SEO, make clickbait, scam websites, and other crap. The incentives are largely aligned for people to shit up the internet with their garbage and what one nerd does in a glass tower somewhere to tweak the results from 95% shit to 94% shit ain’t going to matter. Also lmao at McKinsey being the bugbear of today’s Zeitgeist, as if people of the pathetic caliber of Pete Buttigieg are something to fear…oooooh nooo are they going to powerpoint me to death?
story never changes
Even from a Computer Scientist that decides to turn his back on that and becomes the Sales Exec. Sales execs are the only ones getting promoted and getting money so why bother with the other shit.
Search sucks ass now and why did they kill off cached links? They post cached text results but when you click the link the info is not there anymore.. with open cached link you could retrieve the information.
Still waiting of the refresh for yacy without the whole p2p bloat and the elegance of setting up prometheus or so. And may not Java…
I even would contribute where I can.
The British Empire was the great cancer of humanity, it's the reason these people bred like rabbits instead of staying tribal peoples like they should have. Africa should have been a natural preserve with only a few dozen thousand tribesmen living there. India should've remained a shithole with regular famines culling the population... But NOOOOOO... you had to bring them "civilization".
> the update mostly rolled back changes, and traffic was increasing to sites that had previously been suppressed by Google Search’s “Penguin” update from 2012 that specifically targeted spammy search results
AND THEN EVERYONE STARTED ADDING
"site:reddit.com"
TO THEIR QUERIES FOR ABSOLUTELY NO FRICKING REASON WHATSOEVER
> Gomes, who was a critical part of the original team that made Google Search work, who has been credited with establishing the culture of the world’s largest and most important search engine, was chased out by a growth-hungry managerial types led by Prabhakar Raghavan, a management consultant
Based.
Frick Google.
Hire a pajeet?
Get what you fricking hired. LMFAO.
>Prabhakar Raghavan, the new head of Google Search, the guy that has run Google Search into the ground, the guy who is currently destroying search, [what] did [he do] before his job at Google? >He was the head of search for Yahoo from 2005 through 2012 — a tumultuous period that cemented its terminal decline, and effectively saw the company bow out of the search market altogether. His responsibilities? Research and development for Yahoo's search and ads products. >When Raghavan joined the company, Yahoo held a 30.4 percent market share — not far from Google’s 36.9%, and miles ahead of the 15.7% of MSN Search. By May 2012, Yahoo was down to just 13.4
Interesting... very, very interesting.
>On April 5, 2021, an announcement was made that Yahoo! Answers would be shutting down on May 4, 2021, the site ceased operations and redirected to a Yahoo Help page until July, after which it redirected to the main Yahoo page. Yahoo gave reduced usage of the site as the reason for shutting down, saying "it has become less popular over the years."
This makes much more sense now. Fricking pajeets, bros...
I can't blame the jeet for Yahoo's failure
Yahoo was always going to fail
>In 2009, Yahoo! Answers staff claimed 200 million users worldwide and 15 million users visiting daily. In January 2010, the web analytics website Quantcast reported 24 million active users (US) per month; in November 2015, that had fallen by 77% to 5.6 million.
>Raghavan — a manager, hired by Sundar Pichai, a former McKinsey man and a manager by trade — is an example of everything wrong with the tech industry. Despite his history as a true computer scientist with actual academic credentials, Raghavan chose to bulldoze actual workers and replace them with toadies that would make Google more profitable and less useful to the world at large.
>Since Prabhakar took the reins in 2020, Google Search has dramatically declined, with the numerous “core” search updates allegedly made to improve the quality of results having an adverse effect, increasing the prevalence of spammy, search engine optimized content.
>McKinsey man
daily remainder that these people run the EU and ((advise)) many European countries. Von der Leyen even got lectures from Nuland's hand picked Indian team. Its crazy if you read the "powerful" articles/interview about them. No wonder the west failed to contain Russia and let Ukraine die they have no stake in Europe beyond looking good before their superior and if some whites die so what probably helps the climate agenda.
France's president is literally their puppet, it made a huge scandal here during the coof saga
this company was also giving advice to the French government during Covid
That explains why google search is so horrifically bad these days
I prefer using yahoo, bing and yandex unironically for less bs results
>Since Prabhakar took the reins in 2020, Google Search has dramatically declined, with the numerous “core” search updates allegedly made to improve the quality of results having an adverse effect, increasing the prevalence of spammy, search engine optimized content
Not sure if it's directly his fault, but at least the latter part checks out, Google has completely gone to shit in recent years.
It used to be that Google was so much better than the competition that it was practically impossible to boycott them. Now I use other search engines simply because I actually want good results.
They're even trying to kill maps.
Good. Hopefully the carcass can be donated to OSM.
>he thinks they will donate maps data
moron
you can download Google Earth still, moronanon.
I really cherish Google Earth. Will be very sad when that is kill
Diversity is our strength.
>the numerous “core” search updates allegedly made to improve the quality of results having an adverse effect, increasing the prevalence of spammy, search engine optimized content.
>"saaar I need to help my friends back in Mumbai and Delhi with their operations saaaar!"
God I hate them so much. Like bordering on a "Mein Kampf" level of hatred.
Prabhakar took the reins in 2020, Google Search has dramatically declined, with the numerous “core” search updates allegedly made to improve the quality of results having an adverse effect, increasing the prevalence of spammy, search engine optimized content.
it's funny how normies believe it went to shit only in 2020. whereas the truth is that it went to shit by 2010
Terrible article based entirely on the opening line of
>The story begins on February 5th 2019
This assumes that Google Search was good until 2019, which it wasn't. Google Search hasn't been good or even barely passable since the early 2010's.
Sure it might've gotten worse because they pushed out the guy who made search great in the first place and replaced him with some incompetent asshat for ideological reasons, but by the time that happened Search was already shit compared to what it was a decade prior.
Yeah. The real problem is other search engines are shit too, else nobody would mind google being shit.
Someone needs to just fricking hook up locatedb to wget and push it to github.
I still had good search experience from israelitegle until 2014. It went downhill for me in 2017.
>Search was already shit
t. Raghavan
>Search was already shit
>Yahoo was always going to fail
Why do indians always seem to say things like this???
>poojets shitting up everything and anything they touch, the exact opposite of a midas touch
how is this surprising
yea bkl
>India managed to scam the entire anglosphere out of it's economy
Woah.
so they make it more shitty so I make more searches as this will serve me more ads? lmao, it might work on normalgays though, theyre the ones buying stuff from google ads after all
Remember AMP or whatever it's called? They only rolled that out to iPhone users so I never noticed it outside of other people's phones.
Holy shit they all just accepted that the web worked that way now.
>make it more shitty so I make more searches as this will serve me more ads? lmao, it might work on normalgays
pajeet ideology.
>Make everything shit so everyone gets to be spammed more
>hire Indians
>company goes bankrupt
Many such cases.
I don't give a frick if Google Search goes away, there are way better alternatives anyway.
What do you use?
I just know where things are.
haha u guys r so funny xd
Here!
Use this website!
It's got the drizz drip risen bro.
https://googlethatforyou.com?q=the%20google%20search%20engine
I just post stupid and inflammatory takes on the relevant board and wait for anons to correct me.
This but I do it in the Teams group chat at work. It's crazy how you can get autistic people to do your work for free.
right now i use kagi fastgpt. so comfy it feels like cheating. i'm genuinely afraid they will make it a paid service at any minute
Thanks fren. I've been using perplexity since they surpassed google
>"However, some sources also argue that reports of Google's demise have been "greatly exaggerated" and that the company's search dominance is not under immediate threat."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>kagi fastgpt
Dropped.
They're intentionally ruining the company on purpose. Here's a small niggle I've noticed with Chrome lately. If you're fullscreen and ctrl+H, you can immediately start typing to search your history with no further clicks. Make your browser window smaller, for example by snapping it to the side of your screen so it's only half sized, and suddenly when you press ctrl+H you can't just start typing. Now you have to click the eyeglass in the top right, at which point it moves to the top left and you have to click it again. Until a week ago you only had to click it once, but an update made it worse. Why you even have to click at all when your window is smaller is beyond me.
homie what is you on about?
He's autistic but not quite autistic enough to use elinks qutebrowser.
>14 MIN READ
GPT summarize it
previous discussion here:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40133976
>Probably the bigger change, from what I've heard, was losing Amit Singhal who led Search until 2016. Amit fought against creeping complexity. There is a semi-famous internal document he wrote where he argued against the other search leads that Google should use less machine-learning, or at least contain it as much as possible, so that ranking stays debuggable and understandable by human search engineers.
As I suspected, one in every million Indians is based. But of course, the loud majority has to ruin everything
>Gomes, a Googler of 19 years that built the foundation of modern search engines, should go down as one of the few people in tech that actually fought for a real principle, destroyed by and replaced with Prabhakar Raghavan
how sad
It was VERY noticably happening in 2020 and I only use google for translate and looking at a map of my hometown. I like to measure how far i wander when I'm drunk on homeade koolaid
Are newsletters usually this scathing? I might read more of them
indian men killed the entirety of the internet
Prabhakar Raghavan was my skip-level manager at Yahoo! and I'd known of him well before that, from my days at IBM Research.
The author says very few people knew who Raghavan was. Clearly he isn't a computer scientist. It is more an indication of the ignorance of the writer than anything else.
Raghavan's contributions to Computer Science and, Search in particular, which were made long before he joined Yahoo!, were word-class. That is the reason he was so sought after by search engine companies. His text book on Randomised Algorithms is a classic.
Calling Raghavan a 'McKinsey' consultant is just a pure ad-hominem attack. The purpose seems to be to vilify him by association. Which is utterly ironic considering that he never worked for them or was ever a 'consultant'
As for his contributions at Yahoo!, I don't think he had any significant influence on the management direction that company took. In my opinion, absolutely no one at Yahoo!, CEO downwards, had much control over their destiny.
Yahoo! was a clusterfck all around, with the primary problem being its utterly dysfunctional board, and unfortunate share ownership structure that made it beholden to the demands of Wall St, resulting in a parade of CEOs. Personnel churn was at such a high volume, that I, an individual contributor usually seven levels below the board, calculated that the average tenure of my leadership chain to the board changed once every fifteen days.
So blaming Raghavan for what happened at Yahoo! is just stupid.
I don't disagree with the assessment, that Google Search was 'getting too close to money.' But to assign blame in this manner smells like a hit piece.
Managers, take their marching order from their bosses, ultimately this is the board of the company. If the board feels the need for revenue growth, no manager, CEO included has the power to resist too much. They advise against it, but in the end they will either need to to their biding or be fired.
bump
Yeah Google search sucks bc the Internet’s infested with millions of bad actors who SEO, make clickbait, scam websites, and other crap. The incentives are largely aligned for people to shit up the internet with their garbage and what one nerd does in a glass tower somewhere to tweak the results from 95% shit to 94% shit ain’t going to matter. Also lmao at McKinsey being the bugbear of today’s Zeitgeist, as if people of the pathetic caliber of Pete Buttigieg are something to fear…oooooh nooo are they going to powerpoint me to death?
Massive cope. Stay malding
shut up, Prabhakar
>clearly, he wasn’t a computer scientist
Oooh, got ‘em
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=P4VBqTViEx4
story never changes
Even from a Computer Scientist that decides to turn his back on that and becomes the Sales Exec. Sales execs are the only ones getting promoted and getting money so why bother with the other shit.
Search sucks ass now and why did they kill off cached links? They post cached text results but when you click the link the info is not there anymore.. with open cached link you could retrieve the information.
>hire Indian
>they poo on the company
Indians should be killed and India should be wiped off the map. There is no other solution to this Indian problem.
im also an indian what do u wnt genocide
>cant find shit
>try out tandex
>it just fricking works
Still waiting of the refresh for yacy without the whole p2p bloat and the elegance of setting up prometheus or so. And may not Java…
I even would contribute where I can.
reminder that the collapse of the british empire is responsible for every problem in the world today
amerisharts did this
t. pajeet
The British Empire was the great cancer of humanity, it's the reason these people bred like rabbits instead of staying tribal peoples like they should have. Africa should have been a natural preserve with only a few dozen thousand tribesmen living there. India should've remained a shithole with regular famines culling the population... But NOOOOOO... you had to bring them "civilization".
> the update mostly rolled back changes, and traffic was increasing to sites that had previously been suppressed by Google Search’s “Penguin” update from 2012 that specifically targeted spammy search results
AND THEN EVERYONE STARTED ADDING
"site:reddit.com"
TO THEIR QUERIES FOR ABSOLUTELY NO FRICKING REASON WHATSOEVER
> Gomes, who was a critical part of the original team that made Google Search work, who has been credited with establishing the culture of the world’s largest and most important search engine, was chased out by a growth-hungry managerial types led by Prabhakar Raghavan, a management consultant
Based.
Frick Google.
Hire a pajeet?
Get what you fricking hired. LMFAO.
I took read the orange reddit, OP.
you can always sniff out the morons on orange reddit because there are very similar posts here.
>Raghavan with the blessing of CEO Sundar Pichai, actively worked to make Google worse to [try to] make the company more money
lol.
>Prabhakar Raghavan, the new head of Google Search, the guy that has run Google Search into the ground, the guy who is currently destroying search, [what] did [he do] before his job at Google?
>He was the head of search for Yahoo from 2005 through 2012 — a tumultuous period that cemented its terminal decline, and effectively saw the company bow out of the search market altogether. His responsibilities? Research and development for Yahoo's search and ads products.
>When Raghavan joined the company, Yahoo held a 30.4 percent market share — not far from Google’s 36.9%, and miles ahead of the 15.7% of MSN Search. By May 2012, Yahoo was down to just 13.4
Interesting... very, very interesting.
I can't blame the jeet for Yahoo's failure
Yahoo was always going to fail
>On April 5, 2021, an announcement was made that Yahoo! Answers would be shutting down on May 4, 2021, the site ceased operations and redirected to a Yahoo Help page until July, after which it redirected to the main Yahoo page. Yahoo gave reduced usage of the site as the reason for shutting down, saying "it has become less popular over the years."
This makes much more sense now. Fricking pajeets, bros...
>In 2009, Yahoo! Answers staff claimed 200 million users worldwide and 15 million users visiting daily. In January 2010, the web analytics website Quantcast reported 24 million active users (US) per month; in November 2015, that had fallen by 77% to 5.6 million.
see that level of failure is impossible to put on one guy
>One guy whose in charge demands change to website which 90% of the users are unhappy with
>Refuses to reverse course
...
I genuinely cant' find shit using google nowadays. I am forced to duckduckgo and yandex and I don't even want to use them
Indians will shit everywhere besides the toilet