I am a failed STEMgay. Unable to understand higher math and sciences I was going to kms for being a midwit but I ended up at IQfy. I don't claim to understand everything that's been said here, but most of the time I can follow the arguments and even come up of my own. I wonder if my brain is structured towards philosophy, or maybe I am just delusional and coping about failing at STEM. What do you think?
If it is something you want to pursue then pursue it regardless of whether you make it your profession.
But what if I am bad at it just like with STEM? Can be bad at math and sciences while being good at philosophy?
Why not try it out and see what you like? What kinds of philosophy do you enjoy?
Sure, most mathgays aren't even really good at math, they're just memorizing stock formulae for solving a narrow range of problems in calculus. Certain kinds of philosophy value the same kind of deduction and inference-making that math does, but more intuitive forms of understanding can also be valuable. For example you might be lousy and constructing a logical proof and may never enjoy reading analytic philosophy but you may be a whiz at hermeneutics.
What are you interested in?
>What are you interested in?
I read pre-socratic philosophy, epictetus, some of other greek philosophy, a bit of Schopenhauer, Cioran, Hume. I feel I understand it better if the writer is directly talking to me as a teacher, or if it is between people. I have heard some people say this isn't true philosophy. Analytic philosophy on other hand scares me because it is like math and I am worried I will be bad at logic because I am bad at math.
Yo nobody is judging bro, I respect the humility but all this “I’m too dumb to get it” is a limiting belief. You should have better core beliefs about yourself, the fact that you made it and tried in STEM is proof enough of your intelligence. And the interest in philosophy is additional proof of your intelligence. It’s ok you failed, there is a lot to figure out as a young man. I would take some time to read some novels, even young adult novels, before you dive into philosophy. Thats just my 2 cents.
Additional it seems like you’re hyper rationalistic which is smart but maybe try to get in touch with your feelings before going into some hyper logical philosophy. Fiction is what the actual smart people read. Philosophy is for people with bad people around them imo. Imagine sitting around with a sweetheart and just reading to each other for hours. But following the story. If you lose that imagination you lose the gentleman side of yourself.
>But what if I am bad at it
Who cares? Do what you enjoy.
homie that’s terrible advice, you clearly have never been poor. Do something practical anon and if you really feel like you can say something in philosophy then self publish it somewhere and advertise the frick out of yourself. There are ways, but money is a thing
This is the 21st century if you are on a decent path you will have a comfortable life. If you want an exceptional life with a big house, a nice car, and no financial worries then pursue smth else. The most practical thing in philosophy is ethics. Take the nicomachean ethics with you if nothing else. Anything else is practically for curiosities sake.
what an awful picture
What's wrong with it?
Philosophy is literally just thinking. The only reason to read philosophy books is to give you new stuff to think about.
It depends on what you use it for. I use it to write polemics on the sex crisis
Why not just take your interests as far as you can and try and enjoy yourself? I think you should dive in. Have fun.
just try it out and see. your brain might be more structured for the copper mines in australia. you never will know unless you try.
Philosophy is closely related to mathematics, so if you suck at mathematics you probably won’t engage very deeply with philosophy.
But to be clear, this whole “oh I don’t get stem I must be a humanities gay” is bullshit. The people who excel in STEM usually aren’t any smarter and don’t think any differently than you do. They just work harder and are more focused. That’s it.
>Philosophy is closely related to mathematics, so if you suck at mathematics you probably won’t engage very deeply with philosophy.
proof?
I'm sure you see the irony of asking for a proof here
Real philosophers often find mathematics as it is currently practiced dreadfully boring because mathematics as it is currently practiced is mostly about solving little puzzles that have no necessary relation to reality. The people I've known who were supernaturally good at mathematics were also addicted to puzzles, they'd spend all day solving an Euler problem, but they never thought about the cosmos or metaphysics at all, and they never even thought about the higher reaches of what mathematics might be. The people I've known who had the most interesting insights on mathematics were lousy mathematicians by comparison.
Modern math in particular is just horrible. 95% of people who claim to be good at it have no systematic grasp on it at all, they only stack tricks and heuristics on each other, so that yes they are "good at" identifying which tricks and heuristics to "apply to" a given calculus problem and in which order, they have no idea where they come from or what it all means. The other 5% are logicians who autistically enjoy proving everything from the ground up but also have no interest in mind or metaphysics ultimately, i.e. no interest in the realms that might actually ground logic. They have no sense of logic as a noetic art, i.e. as revealing something that actually has to be noetically nondually experienced, not just discursively proved on paper, in what Schopenhauer called "mousetrap proofs."
Philosophy is mostly nonsense. Not all thinking is philisophy, so I'm not contradicting myself.
>Not all thinking is philisophy,
That is not true. If you are thinking anything important, it is probably philosophy.
I feel like I have seen this post before. That being said, If you failed to understand higher principles of math and science you may struggle with abstract philosophical reasoning.
No offense, but philosophy makes as much and maybe even more of a demand of one's intellect as any math and science, but the highly controversial nature of the subject can insulate one from even considering the potential false bases of one's own arguments. I would personally direct you away from philosophy and encourage you to stick with the applied sciences, the proper path of a midwit with little blowback to society. The world does NOT need another midwit babbling on about the nature of reality. With great Love from Indiana.
Start saving money to throw at the strip club between classes and you'll improve in STEM. It's all about torque and enduring the hidden.
>to pursue philosophy, a fruitful venture or a fool's errand?
A fruitful venture in terms of inner peace and tranquility
A fool's errand in terms material gain and a prosperous career
Stick with STEM, or become a tradie. Pursue philosophy on the side in any case
Pursue Philosophy if win a good money that´s fine
Philosophy basically is STEM. If you refer to continental philosophy you can also major in English