INTEL CHIPS DEGRADING

Intel has problem with their high end chips. 13900k's and 14900k's have stability issues after some time(even few months of use) likely due to degradation caused by running at a too high of a voltage. It's similar to what happened with 7800x3d.

It's just funny how many intel shills were saying that chip degradation was only an amd issue caused by their inferior quality.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/9/24125036/intel-game-crash-13900k-14900k-fortnite-unreal-engine-investigation

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    c2d chads can't stop winning.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      2500k is fine too and it can take shitload of voltage

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        the smaller the node, the more prone to these issues chips become, factory overclocking just doesnt make sense on modern stuff

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >the smaller the node, the more prone to these issues chips become
          This is something I was wondering about the other day, but as much as I searched I could just not find information about it.

          So which is it IQfy? Do they really become more failure prone at smaller nodes? And what was the sweetspot node? 14nm?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            well its very node dependent, some node are just more fragile than others, there is a downward trend with voltage tolerance on newer nodes, but its not a guarantee, for instance, intel's 45nm more than 1.45v is bad, where as Glofo 32nm soi, is good up to 1.55v maybe even 1.6v, just depends on the design goals for the node, durability is something they can tweak, which costs density, and power efficiency.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        2500k will start to degrade too if you push it beyond 1.4v (including transient overshoots). same applies to 14900K, which goes beyond 1.4v out of the box, kek.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      2500k is fine too and it can take shitload of voltage

      >t.poorgays who can't run shit

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I had a C2Q that got progressively less stable when overclocking, but that took many years.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    in reality chip degradation is caused by morons overclocking, everyone intelligent underclocks regardless of where they got their cpu from

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      nobody does underclocks, intelaviv shill

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If by morons you mean motherboard manufacturers, yes.

        Intel just didn't stop them from doing it while with amd few manufacturers went over the spec

        do you also run your monitor at 100% brightness at all times then complain about it dying in 3 years?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I would complain.
          I used my old monitor like that for close to 10 years and it's still working

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            your monitor is less than half as bright as it was new, you just haven't noticed.

            this is normal (backlight losing brightness) and happens to all screens no matter how well kept (low brightness) they are. It's all a matter of (voltage) brightness and hours used.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            My monitor is still bright enough that my eyes hurt from 70%+ brightness despite being on for hours a day since 2009, I think you're just making up excuses and bad arguments for shitty products sold by terrible companies. Which is weird, because you're arguing against your own interests. (assuming you arent some corporate shill wiener sucker)

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          There wouldn't be a 100% setting if the monitor wasn't meant to be using it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            yeah and manual car wouldn't allow you to reverse while going at 100kmh either if it wasn't meant to be done, dimwit

            Imagine being this much of a dick rider. Not only are they K chips explicitly unlocked for overclocking, a feature that intel ~~*innovated*~~ selling, but even if you cuck to not overclocking several of the big motherboard manufacturers were overclocking the chips by default out of the box without Intel stepping in to tell them no while riding the performance numbers this bullshit yielded. Frick off you absolute homosexual.

            >y-your a dickrider or something
            K chips simply mean that they are simply unlocked, no guarantees and no refunds

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you really comparing manual machinery to electronics with limits set by the manufacturer?
            Automatic cars don't allow you to go into reverse at those speeds

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            but you're complaining about chips that by design don't have limits?
            Go overclock it to 9Ghz

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nah, i was talking about monitors.
            And stock chips do have limits, they are just set a bit too high because intel is just being intel

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Intel has problem with their high end chips. 13900k's and 14900k's have stability issues
            this is what OP posted on my monitor

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            the point is those chips degrade at stock limits and start crashing for many users.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >buy overclockable chip (aka too defective to sell normally)
            >totally didn't overclock it
            >crash at stock limits
            I'm done responding to this thread

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you moronic? overclockable intel chips run faster than their non overclockable ones. Non overclockable are the defective ones.
            Too many are dying to blame the users, intel is currently investigating the issue.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >overclockable chip
            if you have had any intel chip post 10series, they aren't worth overclocking. businesses like siliconlottery shutdown overnight because intel FINALLY started to send their chips out with settings that make sense. You're not squeezing noticeable performance out of chips by overclocking anymore, they're built to run strong out of the box.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Brainlet take, the real reason is that AMD/Intel has been factory overclocking their gayming SKUs to the bleeding edge since Kaby Lake/Zen+. Overclocking died that day outside of suicide runs.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            kaby lake was 7000 series, you could overclock the frick out 7000, 8000, 9000, and even 10000.
            poorgay larping like he owned any of these, probably pajeet still using 2 core amd from 2011

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you could overclock the frick out 7000, 8000, 9000, and even 10000.
            Nope, all of those SKUs had almost no overclocking headroom outside of striking gold on the silicon lottery and/or exotic cooling.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            6/10 got me to reply twice

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Poor-gay hard-stuck on decade+ old platforms detected

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            not without buying a delid kit and liquid metal

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            None of that stuff did jack with overclocking ceiling outside of striking gold on the silicon lottery.
            It only made the thermals more tolerable at maximum load.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            the more you reply the more moronic everyone sees you are. having lower temps = less voltage required = more stable at higher frequency.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wrong, you need more voltage for stability at higher clockspeeds and this generates more heat. The vast majority of chips of that era at stock were practically near their ceiling and require a insane of votls to go beyond this.
            Delidding on modern SKUs is practically ricing for a little extra thermal headroom. Outside of striking gold in the silicon lottery, you are lucky to get 5% more then maximum boost speed.
            The days of chips being binned ultra-conservatively and having ~20-50% headroom with some basic armchair overclocking are long over.
            Again, CPU overclocking is dead outside of suicide runs for epenis benchmarks.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The days of chips being binned ultra-conservatively and having ~20-50% headroom with some basic armchair overclocking are long over.
            >CPU overclocking is dead
            We're not disagreeing here, I'm fully refuting the starting point is all. Rocket lake (11th gen) is the death of overclock. Prior to that you could still squeeze an extra 15%+ performance out of k chips.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >. Prior to that you could still squeeze an extra 15%+ performance out of k chips.
            Only with golden sample yields. The vast majority of SKUs of that era you were lucky to get ~5-10% (that's 100-300Mhz) extra beyond maximum boost speed before resorting to massive overvolting.
            Overclocking died with Kaby Lake/Coffee Lake on Intel front. Users were in denial then until it became painfully obvious with Comet Lake-Rocket Lake era. It is similar story with AMD front with Zen+/Zen2 when both companies decide to frick it with ultra-conservative binning to win epenis benchmarks and impress the "min-max" types chasing those extra 2-5% gains.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            > Users were in denial then until it became painfully obvious with
            People are still in denial
            The whole industry is in denial
            PC performance tuning is effectively dead but both MB vendors and users utterly refuse to acknowledge that.
            MB vendors especially made their bed by basically cutting out actual PC users and instead segmenting motherboards by VRMs and memory speeds.
            They would be losing a cash cow if CPUs are essentially untouchable and it made zero difference if you had a $200 board versus a $600 one.
            Users are also in denial because it seems every year the standard for stability gets lower and lower as headroom disappears.

            Going to be interesting the next few years. I sincerely hope rationality wins out and Intel/AMD really put their foot down for the sake of actual users and not moronic tuners.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >users want cpu manufacturers to use smaller and smaller transisters
            >nooo, why is technology that requires more precision failing now?
            we need to go back to 50nm

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >transisters
            heh

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >PC performance tuning is effectively dead but both MB vendors and users utterly refuse to acknowledge that.
            Only for laptops/desktop platforms as silicon has been plateaued. All of the excitement is elsewhere.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah where?
            Everything else is lock down.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Servers, HPC and workstations. Performance and effiecny has been jumps. It is the reason why whole ML meme is even a thing. Such commercial applications were not economically feasible due to be limited to expensive and PITA to operate supercomputers.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Again, all of those are locked down

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            For those who actually care about real work and compute are not concerned.
            Tweaking and min-maxing limited hardware platform is a silly exercise.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't want a $200 motherboard that doesn't have good routing and signal stability for RAM tuning, and was designed to have a 12,000 hour lifespan at 55C temps with 70 amps on a low end 4 core 60 watt CPU.
            and the UEFI on cheaper boards is usually SHIT

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >and was designed to have a 12,000 hour lifespan at 55C temps with 70 amps on a low end 4 core 60 watt CPU.
            That's just your paranoia
            MB vendors predict no difference in durability between motherboards. It's why they all have the same warranty.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            you didn't have to buy a delid kit for 7000 or 8000 series, they didn't solder the shit til 9000, you could just throw the chip in the oven and melt the epoxy and easily pull it apart.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >comparing an LED backlight to a CPU with billions of transistors
          dumb Black person

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            same thing idiot, if you ramp up power high enough, your CPU will glow even brighter than the monitor

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          LED screens are literally meant to be ran at 100% brightness. Not everyone is a night owl or lives in a dark basement.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I've never had a monitor die before the ten year mark, running them always at 100% brightness, /b/ro. I gave away my old monitors to Goodwill, no idea what happened to them later. They might still be in use in new homes.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yes because I didn't buy OLED meme monitors so I can actually use my monitor without a billion caveats

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          mkg and crt gays winning. wasnt everything better.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, people that care sane thermal output and power consumption have been undervolting and underclocking. They are essentially reversing the silly trend of factory-sanctioned overclocking that AMD/Intel have been doing Ryzen+/Kaby Lake.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I undervolt my 13700k.
        2 cores boost to 5.4Ghz at stock while the rest run at 5.3Ghz.
        So I just run all core 5.3Ghz and undervolted. Dropped an entire 0.1mv, 25C and 50W.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          i did the same thing, it's absurd that that isn't the default, I hate intel

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That is the motherboards doing it, not Intel specifically.
            However I wouldn't be surprised if Intel was telling them to.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Motherboards are allowed to set higher power limits. Intel allows it which means their boost algorithm should take care of keeping the system stable. AMD doesn't allow mobo makers to mess with power settings so boards never ship with PBO enabled.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            what's the name of the turbo/overvolting that takes place on a stock ryzen (motherboard)?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Precision Boost. AFAIK it's locked down under AMD's control and motherboard makers can't modify the algorithm. You can use Precision Boost Overdrive to set power limits, voltage offset, boost target, etc but it voids the warranty and is never enabled by default.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I love when things have the word boost in it. You know it's about to be stronger

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            so there's no way to switch off or reduce Ryzen boost from the BIOS?

            I love when things have the word boost in it. You know it's about to be stronger

            based autist

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ryzen CPU's have been risky to run higher voltages. We saw the end result of that with the 7800X3D chips blowing up. They have returned to safer voltages entirely.
            [...]
            OCCT stable, good enough for me.

            >We saw the end result of that with the 7800X3D chips blowing up
            That was the IF/memory controller voltage which CAN be modified by motherboard makers (and they were pushing it way too hard to get DDR5 stable). AMD CPUs have high core voltages at stock but this has never been a problem, lots of people still have Zen 2 and they work fine.
            [...]
            You can disable Precision Boost, makes the CPU run at base clocks.

            my friends zen 2 ryzen motherboard do 1.4v voltage spikes stock, is that really within amd spec?
            anecdotal evidence but buildzoid and many others zen 2+ have died andor degraded within stock or light overclocks
            worrying about cpu defects and the like we've had to do with ryzen is unprecedented, and now it seems like the hybrid slop intel cpus are pulling the same shit. like others said i firmly believe monolithic intel 10th gen were the last good cpus. now it's just flimsy slop

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >my friends zen 2 ryzen motherboard do 1.4v voltage spikes stock, is that really within amd spec?
            Yes, my 5800X sits at 1.45 V most of the time because I'm running the most aggressive performance settings.
            >anecdotal evidence but buildzoid and many others zen 2+ have died andor degraded within stock or light overclocks
            Zen 2 could only overclock with a static voltage which is really dangerous. On stock it goes down to like 1.2 V in benchmarks.
            >i firmly believe monolithic intel 10th gen were the last good cpus
            I can agree with that, the thing I hate the most about Ryzen is how it goes behind your back and starts silently error correcting. For example, I can set Vsoc to 1.0 V or 1.15 V and the system seems fine on both but memory performance is much better on 1.15 V. CPUs should be straightforward and predictable.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            anything above 1.3v vcore can kill cpu (except sandybridge toward comet lake)

            Wasn't this said to be a problem with the 3700X and Ryzen 3000 in general too when running unlocked? I recently started running it without having it locked to 3.6 GHz again.

            yestech city post this so keep it low temp no overclocking and vcore at stock

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I haven't tweaked anything from the stock settings since re-installing Windows a few months back so I've been letting it hit up to 1.450V by virtue of the clock speeds being unlocked but other than that I've always kept the fans running on the Hyper 2012 attached to it along with keeping the case open all the time so iirc the temperatures never exceed anything beyond 70C. Voltage usually seems to spike when in desktop on this chip (bought it in 2019). Might go back into the BIOS to take a look at it however or just lock it down again.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Also, as far as I remember it can also be dependent on the motherboard as far as how aggressively the voltage is used in addition to the chipset drivers. Though 1.488V seems consistent for most users of the 3700X along with idle temps of 40-50C.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I haven't tweaked anything from the stock settings since re-installing Windows a few months back so I've been letting it hit up to 1.450V by virtue of the clock speeds being unlocked but other than that I've always kept the fans running on the Hyper 2012 attached to it along with keeping the case open all the time so iirc the temperatures never exceed anything beyond 70C. Voltage usually seems to spike when in desktop on this chip (bought it in 2019). Might go back into the BIOS to take a look at it however or just lock it down again.

            Try updating the bios. My asus b450 was running 5700x at up to 1.45v. After update it's under around 1.22v and the performance didn't change.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            3600s pull 30watt on average what the frick is this moron talking about

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            10th gen has a chronically unstable ring bus that rears it's head in RT games and other specific scenarios

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That only applies to the i9

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nope. i5 through i9 share the same ring bus

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >RT games and other specific scenarios
            Examples?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ryzen CPU's have been risky to run higher voltages. We saw the end result of that with the 7800X3D chips blowing up. They have returned to safer voltages entirely.

            I thought my -0.03v undervolted 13900ks was stable until I ran Tekken 8 demo which crashed on the first time I started a new game
            Raptor lake instability is a real thing in UE5 games tbh

            OCCT stable, good enough for me.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >We saw the end result of that with the 7800X3D chips blowing up
            That was the IF/memory controller voltage which CAN be modified by motherboard makers (and they were pushing it way too hard to get DDR5 stable). AMD CPUs have high core voltages at stock but this has never been a problem, lots of people still have Zen 2 and they work fine.

            so there's no way to switch off or reduce Ryzen boost from the BIOS?

            [...]
            based autist

            You can disable Precision Boost, makes the CPU run at base clocks.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You can disable Precision Boost, makes the CPU run at base clocks.
            I can only see something called Core Boost, which expands into its own menu. I'm on a B450 motherboard

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            That's probably it but there's no reason to disable it. All it does is make your computer slower for no reason. If you want to save power, enable Eco Mode.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Eco Mode
            i could be wrong but i don't think i saw anything like that. i run a passive cooling setup so i just don't want any unnecessary voltage/heat spikes if i can help it.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I thought my -0.03v undervolted 13900ks was stable until I ran Tekken 8 demo which crashed on the first time I started a new game
          Raptor lake instability is a real thing in UE5 games tbh

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >a whole 0.0001 volts

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I put my 5950X in a slow mode and it still runs perfectly fine. This means it stays in the 30-40C range - never going above 40C and never going higher than 3.6Ghz which is more than enough. It even plays X4 Foundations perfectly to my surprise.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Do you put plastic wrap over your toilet paper too? <10 nm CPUs are consumables like SSDs. Use em up and throw em out.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            SSDs last longer now, CPU transisters, we are dying too fast, our response?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's not about that. It's the typical annoying ayyymd random boosts that annoy me which flare up the fans every 2-5 minutes. Who fricking cares tho? The pc runs exactly the same for what I use it for. If I do need the 5ghz boost, I wil turn it off.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            This.
            I swap out my CPU daily. Microcenter sells 14 packs

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If by morons you mean motherboard manufacturers, yes.

      Intel just didn't stop them from doing it while with amd few manufacturers went over the spec

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        this.
        My MSI motherboard was shoving in way more power than it needed. Because motherboard manufacterers don't want their motherboard returned on a bad cpu that doesn't run within spec.

        [...]
        do you also run your monitor at 100% brightness at all times then complain about it dying in 3 years?

        I would.
        If I ran my motherboard at 110% brightness I wouldn't.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          my phone warns me every time I set brightness to max, and it is really bright

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Thank you for correcting the record, rabbi!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      do you also run your monitor at 100% brightness at all times then complain about it dying in 3 years?

      >buy chip with K unlocked mulitplier
      >literally meant to be overclocked
      >d-don't overclock everyone intelligent wastes their money buying a high-perf CPU and running it like a laptop chip
      you are worse than Nvidia fanboys at this point, at least they get decent products and not this stupid hybrid architecture that Intel cheaply copied from their mobile chips.

      By the way 10nm was already around for smartphones in 2017, but yes goy keep buying the next 10nm+++ 450W (undervolted) space heater.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you can't underclock a non k cpu.

        i run mine at 2.5Ghz for daily use and only at 4 Ghz when gayming

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, you can. Non-K SKUs are half-locked you can only decrease the multiplier as this is done for EIST/Speedstepping. Only Uncore, reference clock speeds are fully locked.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Imagine being this much of a dick rider. Not only are they K chips explicitly unlocked for overclocking, a feature that intel ~~*innovated*~~ selling, but even if you cuck to not overclocking several of the big motherboard manufacturers were overclocking the chips by default out of the box without Intel stepping in to tell them no while riding the performance numbers this bullshit yielded. Frick off you absolute homosexual.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nah, K series main thing is that Intel factory overclock thems with their boosting which is enabled by default.
        Overclocking has been dead for years outside of suicide run. The overclocking crowd has shifted their gears towards undervolting. Trying to get the silicon to operate at stock speed with as little power and voltage as possible.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Overclocked for 12 years with one of their older chips with 0 issues

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >underclocks
      You mean underVOLT, right?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      13900k and 14900k are basically factory-overclocked to the max already. you can get like +200 MHz at best without LN2

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >t. used mining gpu seller

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Intel motherboard manufacturers defaults to unlimited OC to push their motherboard sales and for Intel to get good CPU reviews. Intel loves it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Shalom!

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >at least they get decent products
    lol novideo shill really wrote this

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Their chips at least don't degrade so rapidly

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is because both companies are trying keep "min-max" types excited over 2% gains and are resorting to what formerly as "hardcore overclocking" on cherry-pick SKUs at the factory. This is all to mask the cold reality that silicon has been plateauing on miniaturization.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >CPUs degrading like milk when mobile archs are pushed to limits
      >DDR5 barely surviving with on-chip VRM & on-chip ECC
      >NAND quality nosediving with QLC

      Enjoy the era of fragile hardware, IQfy.

      this is why 10th gen 10700k is endgame

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        while in reality all you need is i3 (and AMD equivalent of that)

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >and AMD equivalent of that
          no
          all ryzens are minmaxxed with buggy dogshit firmware

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        nice
        https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-12700-vs-Intel-Core-i7-10700K/m1750830vs4070

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    k

    >3.5 gazillion homiehurtz
    >7 trillion homiewatts
    >somehow not stable, melting and catching fire
    how could this be???

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      why cant they just put less voltage innit?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        nah g you gotta crank it senpai 350W gang melt it

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >tell me you know nothing about electricity without telling me
          you can send 350w at 1.1v or you can send 350w at 1.7v, these are very different things

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you can send 350w at 1.1v or you can send 350w at 1.7v, these are very different things
            i was taking the piss homeboy, but ok, since you brought it up, why don't you tell me the difference between the two and i might let you off the hook

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            the difference is i can't jelly my 350w dick in your mom with 1.1v but i can jam it in with 1.7

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            man i was hoping for something a bit more uh, ejoo-kayshonal from a big man like you
            but i guess you was bluffin and you cant into science fo shieeeet

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Assuming resistance is the same, to send the same amount of wattage at a lower voltage you need to increase the amperage. That means the conductor needs to be physically larger since more heat will be produced. That's why sockets and cables have amp ratings, not volt ratings.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            So undervolting my GPU will lead to higher temperatures?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            lower temperatures, more crashes and unstability.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, because you cannot "overamp" a CPU while undervolting it in order to maintain a constant wattage.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      consumerism created the most moronic peoples in history

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Karma for lying about Ryzen chips degrading

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    chip by default requests insane voltage, if you have a x900k you should set voltage manually

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Aren't both of these made on TSMC 5mn?
    Could be a TSMC issue

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I thought they were going to use tsmc starting from 3nm

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I thought they were going to use tsmc starting from 3nm

      no all the "nm process" shit isn't a measurement, it's marketing jargon.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >he buyed intel

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    have any of you read the article? its complete nonsense there is no indication of degrading chips. why would a cpu issue only be happening in some ue5 games and be giving “out of memory” errors? clickbait nonsense

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You can find more information on reddit or youtube but i didn't dare to link that in op.
      The issue happens only on intel's 13 and 14 gen and nvidia even said to contact intel support and not them
      https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/nvidia-blames-intel-for-gpu-vram-errors-tells-geforce-gamers-experiencing-13th-or-14th-gen-cpu-instability-to-contact-intel-support

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    buttholes just want more money

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    why are intcelaviv boys so sensitive to literally any intcelaviv criticism? imagine obsessing this much over israeli corporation

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >intcelaviv
      remove the t, homosexual

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why are AMD users so asshurt about intel all the time?
      Does AMD not work unless you shit on intel everyday?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Criticizing a company doesn't mean you're vouching for the competition, especially not when there's multiple companies on the same market

        are companies handing little IQfy trolling playbooks as standard guerrilla marketing tactics nowdays?
        It's exactly the same as snoy threads on vee

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's just turd worlder kids getting their first CPU for scraps.

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Chips don't degrade, users are just moronic or it was a poor chip/bin from the start.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      They do degrade from overvolting and overclocking from abuse. AMD and Intel have been low-key doing this on their gayming SKUs since Kaby Lake/Zen+. High-end 14th series and X3D SKUs have been dancing at the literal bleeding edge. It is the 1.13Ghz Pentium III and FX-9590 over all again.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >FX-9590
        Did it degrade? Those CPUs could take a lot of abuse and survive for years. Same for the 28nm APUs (excluding Excavator). It was fine as long as you kept it cool

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          yes, all electronics degrade.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Chips don't degrade

      They do degrade from overvolting and overclocking from abuse. AMD and Intel have been low-key doing this on their gayming SKUs since Kaby Lake/Zen+. High-end 14th series and X3D SKUs have been dancing at the literal bleeding edge. It is the 1.13Ghz Pentium III and FX-9590 over all again.

      ALL THINGS DEGRADE FROM USE PERIOD THIS IS A LAW OF THE UNIVERSE.
      The question is how rapid.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The question is how rapid.
        depends on clock rate and voltage

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Chips don't degrade
      Are you moronic? Haven't you hear about post mining gpus unable to work at stock clocks?

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      i love virtua fighter

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ensure your shit is running BELOW 1.3v if you want it to last. Applies to both amd and intel, these israelites tell you that >1.45v and 95c during loads is normal.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Have 14900k
    >Running at stock speeds.

    meh

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      How long ago did you get it?
      We might soon get some tools to test if the cpu is working properly, in case of any issues you could use warranty

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >by running at a too high of a voltage.
    Skill issue

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I wonder how many of those are caused by running them under air cooling

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >intel in current year
    Lol

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      People still buy them because they trust them. with all the people saying amd is unreliable compared to intel i'm not surprised

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Meltdown, Spectre
        Those alone have destroyed Intel's prestige that it build over the decades.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Name one (1) actual case of that being exploited in the wild.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Probably was used but likely nobody had noticed. The problem is that was problem was revealed to the public and enterprise/SMB market can't ignore it or be liable for nasty lawsuits in event of a reported attack. This forced downtime on updates and you are stuck with hardware that will never operate and perform as advertised increasing TCO and reducing life cycle.
            Sysadmins and PHB-types will remember this for a long time. It shattered the multi-decade notion that "nobody got fired for buying Intel"

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    How much is high of a voltage? My R3600 runs at 1.4v when full load

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    don't care, still sticking to my 13900k

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Until it randomly dies in a year

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >degrading
    AMD shill alert. Not even the source you link suggested degrading
    >The only workarounds that seem to improve stability involve manually downclocking or undervolting Intel’s processors.
    >changing the SVID behavior to Intel Fail Safe in the BIOS settings of Asus, Gigabyte, or MSI motherboards
    So I gather they are being pushed too far and also overheating. But who knows, normalgays aren't known for having quality setups.
    Works on my machine.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's worse than degradation
      A portion of 14900k/KS chips are outright unstable at stock clocks in cinebench if you lift the current and power limits to unlimited

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're telling me running silicon at 5-6 GHz pulling close to 500 watts at the wall isn't sustainable?!

    Intel bros?! what are we going to do?!

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >500W
      >gaming

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Here me out for a second......

      HAMSTER
      WHEEL

      Think about it

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >motherboard pushes CPU up to 1.4V
    >running XMP on DDR5 pushes the SA up to 1.4V
    Intel chips have always been monsters in terms of stability and overclocking but since they aren't withholding 25% clockspeeds anymore, the cracks are showing.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, they haven't been monsters since Haswell. The cracks have been there now it is massive gaps building up.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >xhe needs to do all sorts of tweaks to keep xir cpu from blowing up
    KWAB

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    A rare look into one of the JIDF headquarters. Imagine the smell

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    i have a 13900k, no issues so far

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      because it's nothingburger, there's always CPU's that are broken but somehow get past the testing, some people get unlucky

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >CPUs degrading like milk when mobile archs are pushed to limits
    >DDR5 barely surviving with on-chip VRM & on-chip ECC
    >NAND quality nosediving with QLC

    Enjoy the era of fragile hardware, IQfy.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Smaller things require higher precision equipment that's more expensive, and lithography is already a method where 30%, sometimes 40% and even 50% of chips are dead before they ever get out of the factory. This is a problem at all sizes.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >NAND quality nosediving with QLC
      the point of QLC is being cheap, and it unavoidably comes at the cost of quality, but again, that's precisely the point of QLC

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Intel is the blizzard of cpu manufacturers, all the talent has left. Pushing an extra 100w for a few more fps and in return forever damaging your image as reliable. moronic is an understatement here.

    Powerlimiting my 12900k to 125w, and have yet to notice anything but lower temps. It's sad that 90% of users will never realize this.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Most "gaymers" are moronic goyslop addicted honkey donkey brain damaged serotine rich soft skin baby man childs.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        too many buzzwords, go and fast from online posting

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      the issue is motherboard manufacturers by the sounds of it, using reasonable settings doesn't seem to cause any issues. the default settings on most mobos try to heavily overclock cpus that are already heavily overclocked out of the box.
      i was also able to undervolt my 14900k to around 90w and still maintain most of the performance, i wouldn't call them bad cpus just that theyre poorly configured to achieve higher benchmarks for their marketing

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Raptor Lake and Zen4 are both extremely efficient if tweak the chips to follow their efficiency curve. This is what CPU vendors used to do on their desktop chip before Kaby Lake/Zen+. The factory-sanctioned overclocking for a 5-10% increase in silly benchmarks to the wow the min-maxers for nearly double the power consumption is insane. Leave that to the hardcore overclockers who know the risks.
        Marketing people are really cancerous

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    just

    turn off

    turbo boost

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >buy car
    >take it to auto shop that does modifications
    >blows up

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yes, and? your post isn't related to what's happening

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Well it is. Intel has their specs but motherboards push them to their limit to look "better" for investors / consumers.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yet somehow amd doesn't blow up with boards made by those same manufacturers, very antisemitic

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It literally did. amd had this problem first and it's fixed now.

            Well it is. Intel has their specs but motherboards push them to their limit to look "better" for investors / consumers.

            when it was happening with amd they called out mb manufacturers fast while intel is holding on. they might've set their own spec too high

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >they called out mb manufacturers fast
            With AMD it was pretty obvious what was happening, in hindsight anyway.

            With Intel, it's more difficult because this mainly seems to affect the highest end parts and you have to investigate how much of this is tweaker morons or motherboard vendors.
            Intel attracts some of the biggest morons that'll blame windows for kernel panicking instead of their "stable" 7200mhz ram OC
            It's also known that motherboard just do whatever for power limits.

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    post examples of intel chips being shit

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    13900K almost 2 yrs old on a 240AIO running PL1/125 PL2/253 stock settings and everything is fine.

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Wasn't this said to be a problem with the 3700X and Ryzen 3000 in general too when running unlocked? I recently started running it without having it locked to 3.6 GHz again.

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >anything above 1.3v vcore can kill cpu
    why are browns typing about technology

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'd sooner believe AMD marketing was behind the entire wave of identical copypasted GPT articles claiming intel chips were suddenly "being returned by the millions" for issues they don't have.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You can believe in whatever you want. some people believe in chemtrails, some in flat earth

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        So I'm right, and you're coping by citing flat earth and other boomer conspiracy theories.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >AMD having good marketing
      we both know that aint it

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Running at 1.5V to push that 6 Ghz while consuming 400W for few months at a time can degrade the CPU? WHO KNEW?

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    saved

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    10900f master race wins yet again!

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    werks on my machine

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >It's just funny how many intel shills were saying that chip degradation was only an amd issue caused by their inferior quality.
    It was an AMD issue. I guess now all chips have this issue.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    12900bros, we won

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It has nothing to do with electromigration and everything to do with Black personlicious motherboard settings.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So how many people in this thread have a 13th or 14th gen i9? And how many have had issues?

  45. 1 month ago
    кaни

    ran Pentium 4 for about 15 years on 100c
    ring-bus anus architecture and estrogen cores are not it
    sorry

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