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There is no such a thing as too much storage and too much speed.
Of course, it's not free so sometimes you have to make compromises.
Too much speed is when you have more than 1gbps connection but your network hardware or even the cables can't operate at that speed.
Yeah. Anything over a gig and the switch can’t support it. However, it could support multiple 1gig connections on its optical port. But the modem from the isp only does a gig, so I’m kinda stuck.
Ok, but 10gbps is going to be only $5 more when it gets in my area in half a year or so. I have almost 3gbps (I complained when I only got 2.7, hopefully they'll fix it soon ) for around $10. It comes with a free router that can do 10gbps. Yeah my PC can't atm, $5 is tow coffees.
>I complained when I only got 2.7, hopefully they'll fix it soon
As someone that works for an ISP I can gaurentee that was never even passed along to techs to "fix" because nothing is broken. 2.7gbps on a "3gbps" plan is well within the expected margin of error at those speeds.
>I have almost 3gbps (I complained when I only got 2.7, hopefully they'll fix it soon ) for around $10.
I bet someone at your ISP wants you to have a nice day.
>Not having 1gbps infrastructure for moving files in your network and use 1gbps net
You should throw away those outdated hardware already
300Mbps is the minimum for any family unit. Also
That's a conundrum, it depends on what you're planning to do on or with the internet. I'd say nowadays 60 is the bare minimum however people can't always choose the right bandwidth plan for locational and budgetary reasons.
Yeah probably? I mean look through applications you will use and make a judgement.
For example, Netflix 4k Ultra uses 25 Mbps
https://www.digitaltrends.com/movies/netflix-speed-test/
When you torrent or download from libraries like Steam, it is time to download = filesize / speed
I am a network engineer who games occasionally, doesn't use netflix or anything like that, and torrents all my shit because frick giving those israelitehomosexuals money.
50Mbps with low latency is totally fricking plenty for my needs. I don't want to spend more money for extra bandwidth I won't be using.
The most I need is when I am streaming sports off of pirate streaming sites, and even then, the Netflix UHD 25Mbps here is about the upper limit of what is used, and latency still matters more really.
Families consooooming goyslop media are what drives bandwidth offerings higher and higher, but even then, most families will never even come close to needing the 1 GIGABIT INTERNET BLAZING SPEEEEEEEEEEED that companies advertise and charge out the ass for. The average persons Mbps usage is usually pretty fricking low.
Now if any of these have data caps, thats a whole nother ballgame.
all of those are slower than lte, just tether your phone moron
Phone internet is often unreliable and has jitter
for you
>blocks your path
>rain
>interferes with 4g lte
what
>He doesn't know.
rain won't do shit lol.
that's absurd since I did 4g for more than a year and gamed there.
what affects the connection though is power surges and thunderstrikes as they eat up the bits when it does or when the power is unstable and your router is not plugged in a regulator.
if you have external antenna the speeds will just be fine and you'll have 30-35dB SNR regardless of the weather (unless there's too much lightning strikes) and actually it is much faster since some people might stop using the net when there's thunders.
>since I did 4g for more than a year
What lack of pussy does to a mf..
60mbps is the max I can get from LTE actually and that's because of an underutilized LTE band it used to be 10 mbps
Yeah you can 4k stream with that.
Most is always better but of course shit costs money so 60 is a reasonable compromise.
>60/10
Do Americans really?
Same here, it's all phone lines and DSL connections everywhere.
t. Europe
What country are you reffering to?
t. Balticgay with a 300Mbps for 7.5 Euro per month
>hahahaha little dick american internet
Korea?
60 Mbps is literally third world tier, but even in the third world you'd still get at least 50% of your download speed in upload. 10 Mbps up is actually embarassing.
>60 Mbps is literally third world tier
third world barley gets 10mbps
lol
this is just my phone btw, I get better speeds through cable.
I get 1000/1000, and I don’t live in a commieblock In Europe.
But I do live on a pretty steep hill
>1.5mbps upload
Do people really
much better now than when i download 300 kbps when i was younger
>can’ stream or play games on 10Mbps
???
I’m watching 1080p chinese cartoons and Youtube, and playing BF4 at 30 ping just fine at 10Mbps
Jigga please, I could do with way less
I'd say 50mbps is the slowest I'd put up with at this point.
But I've had 150mbps since like 2010 and 1gbps since 2017.
where are you?
near uni? romania?
most of the eastern yurop has high speed interbutts for peanuts
i can only assume western yurop simply israelites people out of cashmoney because they can, because population density is fairly similar and prices differ by a factor of 2-5x
What are internet speeds/prices in central europe (Switzerland, Austria, Czechia) like? Excluding Germany, I know it's an absolute shitshow over there.
czechia
21 czk is 1 dollar or so
i have 100/30 which is enough for me
>$20 for 1gbps
haha
canadian telcos need to be tortured into insanity
how much does that cost in canada?
also that 1gbps is only somewhere
$200 for 95mbps down, 60mbps up
I'm seriously considering switching to starlink and I don't even live in a rural area
>less than 25 us dollars for 2 gigs
That's amazing, I'm paying the same thing for 300/150 (was paying the same for 200/100 one month ago) + static IP.
I've travelled a lot through central europe and it's my top #1 place in the world, I want to move there to get a master's degree after I graduate. Good to know you have god-tier internet too.
whats the minimum and average salary you can expect there so we can compare in therms of %
minimum like 800 dollars
average 1300-1400 without top 10%
Minimum around 200 USD, average 450-500 USD
I'm
where were you? moldova or ukraine?
No. I live in Brazil. But Ukraine has similar minimum and average wages apparently, that's interesting.
the swiss have 25gbps for 60€
so jelly
>Austrian alps
16 mbit over telephone-line. I bought a 4G-router, that's 15-40 mbit depending on weather. It sucks
>50/50 at home, fiber, ping ~7ms to most servers in Prague, we pay 300CZK/m, service as advertised, no IPv4 though, this is representative of a fiber service in a city
>1000/1000 at the dorm in Prague, latency is immeasurable to PCs at the campus, to other servers in Prague it tends to be under 4ms, enterprise WiFi with latest one-below-top-tier Ruckus APs, dual stack IP, 1 wired device with free static IPv4 for academic use (torrents and domains are a nono but can be easily circumvented with a cheap jump server), 3 wireless I think and the admin here is an absolute god, even runs Linux mirrors, I pay 1200CZK/year for this (all heil the CTU students union)
>EDUROAM, free for students, on virtually every campus, most of the times Czech universities do have dual stack, sometimes you even get IPv4 without a NAT, speeds/pings vary of course, but I've had a good experience with that too
>ADSL gets you ADSL speeds and reliability here, cable runs probably tend to be shorter than in the US so maybe it's good?, expect to pay 400-600CZK/m for that
>WiFi ISPs, we have many wireless ISPs which cover every nook and cranny of our hilly landscape, service is bad and slow as expected, but oftentimes the other option would be satellite or dialup, so it's still pretty good, prices again in the low hundreds
>Mobile plans tend to be very expansive and unreliable unless you have some luck and a company contract, I would recommend only using this on your phone and getting a real ISP if possible
IPv6 adoption has been stagnating for the last ~5 years, ISPs here are cheap boomers and most people don't care, but if you want it, there's probably a way to get it. Only place with better and cheaper internet I've been to is Romania, which is nice, you get cheap internet and vampire e-girls at the same time.
>service as advertised, no IPv4 though, this is representative of a fiber service in a city
Sadly, I think this is the case for most small/medium ISPs nowadays, regardless of country. Almost half of what I pay monthly is just for a static IP address, but it's either that or being stuck behind carrier-grade NAT so at least we get that option.
I guess that's one advantage of a major US ISP, my ISP has between 5 and 6 million residential customers, my ISP also happens to own around 19-20 million IPv4 addresses. Some are set aside to be used as NATed IPv4 addresses for wireless customers, but most wireless stuff is IPv6 these days.
The rest of the IPv4 addresses are for enterprise and business customers and some grandfathered static IP residential customers. Sadly they no longer offer static IPs for home users, so you have to upgrade to home/small business tier service to get a static IPv4 address, but at least they're still easily avaliable if you're willing to pay the price.
>Sadly they no longer offer static IPs for home users, so you have to upgrade to home/small business tier service to get a static IP address, but at least they're still easily avaliable if you're willing to pay the price.
I think we are quite lucky in my country that ISPs are forced to offer static IPv4 adresses to home users, if they want to use NAT. Naturally, most home users don't bother (or even know they're behind NAT) and ISPs would rather save those precious IPv4 addresses for their business customers so they will try to convince you it's not possible, unless you threaten to file a report with the regulatory authority.
for 1gb speed in england it costs £80 a month and only virgin media offer that speed. my 60Mbps is £25
I spent a week in the UK. My room had gigabit speed. It's really fast as long as you stuck to stuff on the island or from France, Ireland, Italy, or Spain. I tried to download Linux from Germany or the United States and it was beyond painful. Facebook for example loaded quick until I tried to view profiles of my friends. It was so incredibly strange. Here in the United States I pay for 500 down and I can download from anywhere in the world quite comfortably.
And so do wages
Symmetric Gigabit is like 30¤ per month here. Only B*ngs get shafted.
i don't even know what that symbol is
Look it up then. It's a currency stand-in symbol. You have to replace it in your mind with your local currency in this case $. I mistyped it in but it's still correct and I was too lazy to correct it.
>The symbol is used as a non-printing "end of cell" marker for tables in Microsoft Word.
moronic symbol for morons like you
Not what it was originally made for. Since you are too moronic to even look something up properly I won't bother explaining.
>look it up PROPERLY please I'll cry if you don't
I hope you use that symbol often and continue making a complete dumbass out of yourself
Illiterate Black person. I just mistyped it.
A sign of a developed economy is the privatising of infrastructure. Which always results in a more expensive and worse service with no upgrades, eventually resulting in partial government buybacks, upgrades and reprivatisation.
How's it feel being undeveloped?
Says Ashburn VA
So just outside of Washington DC.
wowzers, bet you download files well quick eh? took me 6 or 7 hours to get sea of thieves. how much do you pay for that speed? 100 dollars a month?
$105 after taxes and fees, but it includes TV and phone service too, so not just internet.
And yeah, I'm used to games downloading in under 20 minutes unless it's something MASSIVE and servers are slow because of launch day congestion or some shit.
>940mbps download on steam
nice
>got symmetric 500 MBps connection
>using a $20 shitty wireless card on my desktop that runs at about 5 MBps
maybe it's because my first web connection was a blazing 64 kbps - major city so no bauds - but anything past ~10 mbps (not MBps) has been firmly in the "neat" category rather than "holy shit this changes everything"
>500 MBps
You mean half a gigabit or 500Mbps
No one offers 4Gbps (500MBps)
you're right
I do have an option for 2Gbps, but the next tier past that is 10 Gbps. not sure why there's no 4 or 5 in-between
5gbps capable NICs are expensive.
2.5Gbps NICs are finally affordable enough where ISPs are starting to use them.
My ISP has 2gbps service as well and they use 10Gbps ethernet WAN, 10Gbps Ethernet LAN, and then 2x 2.5gbps Ethernet LAN.
I cannot imagine how people manage without 25Gbps, such savages
my PC's FSB cant even handle those speeds
we only have att and comcast here. comcast has fiber but they want you to pay out the dick for installation fees and other bundles. att is cheaper but their speeds basically cap out at 150.
just went from 100/5 to 1000/1000
my life is so much better now holy shit
how? you can download 4k porn and movies quicker?
i previously only had 5mbps up which was shit. I can properly host services from home and will probably get jellyfin and others spun-up. it actually is giving me motivation to do more with my homelab.
Not an answer you homosexual piece of shiet
enough for what
to satisfy you
right now yes, im not using much throughput or uploading much
could change if i wanted to do some serious in house server
It's unlikely that you NEED more. Hell, 30Mb/s is probably enough. That doesn't mean it wouldn't be nice to have 120Mb/s if you like to download massive files or something.
I've been using 30mbps for years, i didn't find much use of 85mbps for an extra $10/mo, however going down to 20mbps was kinda shitty so I decided to go back to 30mbps. I'm always streaming twitch, torrenting etc and use like 1Tb of data per month.
For 2 home users 30mbps is enough. Most of my family that lives alone I've set them up with 20mbps and they're never limited by it.
that depends entirely on the 2 people.
I live in a household of 4 with over 7TB a month in data use on average.
Total household storage is around 120TB as well, so plenty of storage space for more shit.
For me, 30mbps lets me stream at high quality on 2 TVs and still have porn load fast on my desktop PC at the same time, or download stuff at a reasonable rate (2gb movie takes 10min or whatever). I have QoS setup so I can soak up the whole connection without interruption, the only thing 85mbps gained me was the ability to grab a big steam game in 30min instead of like 2hrs, and if I had to pay $10/mo to download the 1 or 2 steam games I grab and install per month or whatever, it definitely isn't worth it. 30mbps lets me grab data faster than 2 people can consume.
There are habits that help out. Most of my family and my gf just watch the same shit over and over, redownloading the same movies over and over doesn't make sense, I don't use cloud or streaming services like Netflix and run a NAS.
guys wtf it im paying money for 60mbps speed but when i download a file im only getting 8 mbps speed what the heck!
Do you mean 8mb/s? Because if you do you're getting slightly more than you're supposed to get, and nothing is wrong.
8mbps speed would only be about 950kb/s. If you never really see download speeds higher than 1mb/s you are really getting 8mbps
the difference should be on the capitalization, not to the slash, dummy
8Mbps vs 8MBps
It's easier to explain that way because when people see a visual download speed they see the slash and other letters. Not going to get into further discussion of gibibytes and gigabytes and gibibits and all that dumb shit
>8mb/s
>8mbps speed would only be about 950kb/s
8mb/s and 8mbps are the exact same speed.
8MBps or MB/s would be 64mbps or mb/s
The difference is between megaBytes and megabits
so Big B for Bytes, and little b for bits.
If internet speeds were sold in megaBYTES they'd be a lot less impressive
not anon, but this is just a ISP marketing scam, because lets be honest 80% of the population would rather buy from an ISP offering 500Mbps (Mbp = mega BITS per second) for $100, than an ISP offers 100MBps (MBp = mega BYTES per second).
Please forgive the other anon that failed to include capitalization, because he is like most IQfyners who think lowercase is better.
It may or may not be, that's not really the point.
Big B and little b have meaning, it's an important concept in computing and you can't just try and rewrite it by saying "well it should be mbps and mb/s where the slash denotes the larger one"
The slash has nothing to do with it and trying to make that a thing because it's "easier" to explain even though it's totally unrelated is just stupid.
Point me to any common app that displays download rate to the user by default in bits with the slash present. Pretty much every single program that shows transfer rate with a slash present is displaying data in bytes.
I'm giving basic info that works in the real world. I'm not going to fricking sit here and autustically go "acksually here's the rundown on bits and bytes and bibytes and gibytes and network overhead and overprovisioning" when it's completely useless fluff to the common person
>i'm explaining it incorrectly and just making shit up because i'm a lazy frick
i know
If you sit on forums and post full explainations to every single question that pops up 20x a day instead of getting to the point, you will be spamming walls of text to everybody that nobody will read or care about.
That poster will either not get a reply because everyone is sick of answering that question, or he will get a gigantic post he won't read otherwise. That poster doesn't bother to Google, why would they bother to absorb your big explaination for something that's not used in the common world? The only reason they would absorb that info was it they needed it (ie: they work in IT) or if they were autistic themselves. They are not smart or autistic because they can't get that information themselves, and they don't work in IT or anything similar that would need that info, so it's all for fricking nothing and is a hindrance to that poster to explain everything. They shouldn't assume a 2-3 sentence post is a full amount of education. It's pointless.
So yeah, better to just lie to them about something that ISN'T actually a rule at all, and could easily be represented as mb/s and mean mbps.
That surely couldn't EVER cause confusion.
Explaining something as a "rule" that isn't a fricking rule is just moronic, now they're expecting mbps and mb/s to mean something different when in reality they're the exact same thing.
You're not helping anyone you dumb fricking bastard, you're adding more bullshit "expert advice" confusion for average consumers to get confused by.
I'm telling you if I capitalized the terms in the post properly, that user would not recognize the difference and would have no different information or knowledge otherwise. The only one I would be informing is autistic people like yourself.
To the common person they will only see mbps and mb/s, the slash and the p. If I capitalized it, they would not notice. Shove your dick up your ass.
>To the common person they will only see mbps and mb/s
Sure, but again, these mean THE SAME FRICKING THING.
Telling them they mean something different is WRONG.
No matter how much you say "they see mbps and mb/s" telling them they mean something different when they don't is just wrong.
They don't fricking need to know, or will absorb all the info. You can go further and further all you want but you're fricking wasting your time. Go tell him about overhead and frame data and ISP provisioning and traffic control, reasons for variance and whatever dumb shit you want - and reply with this instead of me having to do it hours later. You can do this all you want but you're only doing it for yourself.
Frick off moron. How fricking hard is it to explain little b and big B?
It's a SIMPLE fricking concept, people aren't children. You dont' need to lie to them because you're a lazy c**t.
I'm not asking you to explain anything further than B and b being 1 and 1/8th MB or 8 and 1 mb
8mbps = 1mBps = 8mb/s = 1 MB/s
I'm not "lying" in the real world because no fricking normal program displays data rate to the user in bits with a slash at the same time. It's completely bizarre and useless info to give to someone in a couple sentence answer. They wouldn't pick up on the distinction of the capital being there, and they wouldn't need to read the further sentences explaining why I capitalized and how measurements work.
When someone asks your wifi password to get on wifi do you tell them "alright well first I'll need your MAC address to add you to the whitelist, MAC stands for "Media Access Control", which is a part of the IEEE 802 standards. The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers decided on this standard in each device has a unique 12 character (that is, numbers 0 to 9 and the 26 letters in groups of two separated by a colon) address which the network hardware of your phone has assigned to it in production. If you go into the settings on your phone you should be able to give me this identifier for your phone you will be able to make a WiFi Protected Access Two Pre-Shared Key connection to my Wireless Access Point without issue".
Because if you do you are obviously a homosexual virgin
>I'm not "lying" in the real world
That's exactly what you're doing, stupid c**t.
If I tell you "this Apple weighs approx 100G" you will think I'm saying 100 grams? Or because of the capitalization OH SHIT THAT DUDES APPLE WEIGHS 100 G-FORCES HOLLYYYYYY SHIITT
no you wouldn't go frick yourself moron homosexual
No, I will think that you're an idiot. Which, wouldn't you know, turns out to be perfectly accurate.
That's not even close to the same thing.
In this case you're telling someone that 100g is the same as 100kg and if they REALLY meant kg they'd put 100k/g
unrelated but it annoys me when people write stuff like "70 kgs" instead of "70 kg"
the s is completely useless and would technically make it kilogram-seconds
what if someone is carryimg 70 kms?
steam does display transfer rate in bits
None of which changes the fact that you're full of shit.
>that person dpesnt google
some people like to interact with their fellow human, if you dont get off the boards i say. what is it with everyone defaulting to google these days? civilisation is fuuuuuuucked cause ofmpeople like (You)
anon already answered you, it's nothing to do with some moronic software you use. his explanation is correct, are you dense on purpose?
id like to understand more about networks, feel free to autistically tell me about those things, please?
Invest in a decent setup. Netgear but their higher end stuff. Their phone app is amazing. The nighthawk series of their routers and modems are top notch. They run Linux at their core and you can install openwrt if you so desire but I don't. They're open source.
only you would be confused as to what 8mb/s would mean
No one is confused except the guy lying about what mbps and mb/s stand for.
see? even you understand that mb/s means megabytes per second when people say it
there's no problem, language evolves
No, it doesn't. They're the same thing, stop being moronic.
What? The / means per.
Mbps megabits per second
Mb/s megabits per second
Mbps megabytes per second
MB/s megabytes per second
If that's too hard to comprehend, consider the rope.
>Mbps
MBps
Gotta love autocorrect when phone posing
>number of people
>number of devices
Which kind of shit provider restrict these?
They don't, you idiot. That's just to give normalgays with no knowledge about networks a sense of what you can do with that speed.
i pay 16€ for gigabit fiber without a datacap
router included
I pay 50 for this; 45 for the shitposting and 5 for the landline. Honestly, up until a few years ago I was still on <100 for the same price and I rarely made use of it. Never mind now.
Even if I had to download a large file like a video game or torrent a movie I just pissed off and read a book or left the house for a while. Just did something else. Works just fine.
i have 400 download 200 upload, wish i had more
>200mbps max
is this serious? let me guess, you're a europoor aren't you? here in the first world US we now have 2000mbps
>here in the first world US we now have 2000mbps
*terms and conditions apply
>*terms and conditions apply
what do you mean? you pay for 2000 you get 2000, where's the problem?
Hell, with my ISP you pay for 2gbps and you get like 2.5-3gbps
what city? and what provider?
nyc
verizon
ah, i used to live in nyc, would rather not live there an have a slower speed. will have 2gbps soon, but hopefully will get faster just like you regardless
Only available in big cities, data caps, no piracy, etc
On average, internet in the US is not that good or affordable.
are you the idiot that posted "terms and conditions apply"? what an absolute moronic thing to say. literally everything you buy on the planet from a corporation has terms and conditions. but you pay for 2gbps so you get 2gbps until you live in the third world in which they don't guarantee anything because there's no law there. what what did you mean? terms and conditions has nothing to do with availability in an area. you check if it's available, if it isn't then that's that. and data caps? again, do you live in shitty europe where they do have data caps because you live in a nanny state? we don't have data caps for internet providers in the US, not that i've ever heard of anyway. and "no piracy"? are you fricking dumb. in the US we have laws, and piracy is against the law. now i definitely know you live in a shithole. do you really think an ISP, a corporation, is going to have a clause say "piracy is ok". you're a moron.
>are you the idiot that posted "terms and conditions apply"?
No. But you sound like you're genuinely moronic, or trolling.
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I feel your pain. Thankfully optic fiber has arrived to my town where 60 people live two days ago.
>arrived to my town where 60 people
Is that really a town?
More like a hamlet, even a village is a few hundred to ~1500 ppl, you're not really a "town" until you hit ~2000+ ppl really.
For 2008 yes.
>moron who thinks mb/s and mbps are different things is the same moron who thinks America has better speeds than Europe and that Europe has data caps because it's a "nanny state"
Can't make this shit up. Hiro should rangeban burgers already. He lives in France unlike Moot, so there's no excuse.
I’m getting around 50-80 Mbps but my old internet gave me 300. Did I get fricked over by my new internet? Do I just have to take the Ethernet pill
Can we go back to discussing internet speeds and ignore that bad troll?
No frick off
Thread over
>10 Mbps upload speed
No, that's not acceptable.
Yes it is
Depends what you're doing.
If you're expected to do some collaborative work from home while also doing video chat that potentially involves sharing your screen as well as a webcam, then you could easily be constrained by that 10mbps upload.
Especially if you need to regularly upload projects or large documents while doing all of that.
Imagine having streetshitter-tier internet in "the best country in the world"
I live alone and had 20mbps (20USD-ish) for roughly 2 years which was plenty until they offered me a 5USD phone plan that would "double" my home download speeds (same provider but I had prepaid), I don't know how they do their math because this exceeds what they offered but I'll take it, also the router is fast ethernet so I assume this is not all the speed they gave me but I'm too scared to ask only to get buttfricked by any bills
No
I get 500Mbps via shitty wifi, 60Mbps should be a crime
>60Mbps should be a crime
It's workable for a single person maybe 2 if they're not heavy internet users.
But yeah, 100-200mbps should be the minimum really.
I have 300/300 and it's way more than enough. If they had a cheaper plan with lower speeds, I'd probably take that to save some money but whatever.
AT&T fiber? Just moved away and couldn't get it anymore. Frick scumcast and their 10Mbps up.
On an unrelated note, my first Internet connection was 28.8k so it fricking blew my mind when I had to throw out my 100Mbps switch because my upstream was faster
Yup. I moved and ended up going from comcast to att fiber. It's nice.
Comcast is shit, so that makes sense
Lol. That graph is consumer lies
Imagine believing you need 10mbps to stream video.
Read it again says you need 15 for video, 10 will only work for audio streaming
And gaming? Bruh you better shell out for the 30 package won't be playing dat cawadooty packets are ginormous these days
Zoom zoom, you can reliably stream FLAC at 10Mbps. Any reasonable attempt at lossy compression should put you at 1/10th that. With VVC you can stream SD video in reasonable quality over ISDN. Telling people they need multiple Mb to stream video is bullshit ISPs made up to justify subsidies.
Flac MP3 no difference
There are some amazon music streams that are like 8-10mbps cause they allow full FLAC streaming and they've got some stuff that is 4, 5, or 7 channel audio and 24-bit/192khz or similar quality. So it can get sorta bloated at the extreme end.
See
Using high bitrate to gloss over poor transcoding practices and bad wireless audio systems is consumer bullshit.
You don't have to use wireless audio. Amazon has a desktop player too that can play through whatever DAC you've got.
Any leaf (ottawagay specifically) would recommend an ISP that fast and affordable?
Yes. But 10Mbps upload isn't enough.
for me it is
>15 isn't enough for online gaming
Fellow civilized people!
Depends on your router and modem. You can have 500Mbps but if your modem or router is shit you're going to suffer. If you have like 60 but your modem and router are high end, your connection is properly grounded and no corrosion you'll never notice it being slow. Don't buy your shit at Walmart. And for fricks sake don't but Asus. I had 3 Asus routers die on me. The USB can't provide enough power for a Nas box. It also doesn't communicate with my Nas properly and I lost data.
I use a Netgear orbit, it cost me around $600 last month and it's been such a massive help.
I use a Netgear Nighthawk cm2000, it runs around $250~$300. I bought mine at 280 in January.
Install the Netgear app on your phone. They communicate so well together.
My internet is 500Mbps, but it could be just as well at 60Mbps. I had shit equipment provided by my ISP. Don't use ISP garbage. Having a strong connection is more important than a fast connection. Don't buy gamer shit either, they always skimp on security or RAM or they overclock things and dont cool the CPU properly and they use shit profiles that might seem like a good idea but are basically snake oil. You want higher throughout and lower latency more than you want Mbps down. Unless you're torrenting endless data, 60 is great for MMO games like wow, you can watch Netflix and Hulu and Disney all day on it while you game.
>Tldr 60 is more than sufficient if you buy good equipment.
my connection is that much fpr 25 quids a minth. it isnt the fastest but i have no issues streaming other than a dodgu f1 replay site that will only stream at 480p fpr longer than a minute or 2. get the fastest you can sfford, before i got this one i was on 44mbps.
Here's a prime example of someone with shit networking equipment. The reason he's having issues streaming higher then 480p is that his router's ram filling up. It's not able to queue priority data flow. So many people think throwing more speed fixes things, and it seems like that, but I bet he's dropping packets like crazy.
this is information i like to recieve. i connect my pc to the router with an ethernet cable, i use plusnets default router. should i get a netgear router like this anon says
and my speed would go up? i can watch yputube in 4k but that website called fullraces.com doesnt. i thought it was the websites data rate or something. i upgraded after plusnet called and offered me an upgrade from 44 to 60mbps for a few quid less a month.
probably something to do with the snoopers charter lol. they probably check what youre doing before the connectikn was made. i remwmber seeing a documentary on internet once that said the cable coming from the sea was in a small shed and they could use a prism to split the beam and observe all data withput affecting anything. was quite skeery.
pic rel; me tv just started playing up
try again
I was at 24MbPS for years, when I upgraded to 300MbPS the only difference I noticed was for large downloads, websites loaded at the same speed
I have 1Gbps internet but because we only gave one ethernet port in the house that my boomer dad is using on his 15 year old desktop, I have no choice but to use WiFi capped at 8Mbps.
have*
Also I meant 8 megabytes which is 60 Mbps.
Can't you install a switch?
I am using virgin media and paying £40.25 for 200 megabits download.
How come its so expensive in UK and cheap/faster everywhere else?
See
Because for some strange reason, Internet is capped in the UK from outside the UK unless special arrangements are made. I love the UK and I'm moving there permanently at some point in the next 4 years, but you can get cheap fast Internet but it's limited to your geographic location. Or you can buy the real Internet and it costs an arm and a leg. There's some import tariffs or something iirc.
I'd rather have 15 mbps on a full duplex low latency connection than gigabit at like 40ms
An no, it's not for games.
What do you need that low latency for then the only use case is gaming or high frequency algo trading or bots
It makes literally everything about my job less aids, from remote UI latency to teleconferences.
the 15 Mbps is good enough and the 10 Mbps would be good enough if it didn't had that dogshit almost unusable upload
UK anons here living in shared houses renting a room out?
How do you deal with shitty internet over wifi?
You don't have control over the internet and obviously can't run ethernet cables all around the house.
run an ethernet cable from the router to ypur room while the house is quiet. access the router with the admin credentials and put your pc as network priority. dont spose youre in ipswich on fore street are u.
>run an ethernet cable from the router to ypur room while the house is quiet
Yeah the landlord won't totally notice a wire going through the house eventually and get me evictied and deposit taken away. Thats a really stupid idea.
you know, you can attach it to the wall using plastic cable clips like pic rel and it will hardly be noticeable. such a fricking pussy man. dont have a go at me after asking for advice you fricking c**t. meet me and fight me me, c**t hole.
I already know that. But it will be obvious and out of place still.
I dont' want to get risk making trouble/getting evicted. I guess I can try strike a deal with the landlord that I'll give him money so I can do it.
or under the floorboards. doubt the landlord has a stipulation the contract that says if you run an ethernet cable from the router you are likely to be evicted lol. anyway, next time you ask a question or for advice, don't get mad if it isn't what you wanted to hear. this is why I'm single, women do my nut in.
>that upload
lmao
I used to haave fiber with 100up/down and I think it's okay for most but not enough if you do streaming
it's also like 98% percentile if you upload or share files thru peering protocols with 100up.
the slow up on your plans will also bottleneck your down since massive downloads require a lot of upload for checksumming and also the fact clogging the up (when many users or usages are present) will result in packet loss or other congestion/delays. Keep in mind the packet order!
120/20 is like pretty much garbage, and it really sounds as if the ISP you had isn't point to point /ptp fiber but rather they are offloading the internet connection over 4G networks since those have terrible upload speeds or they're just too greedy and the ISP also "hosts" hosts/servers and just put you all together in the same basket but I doubt that, they likely use 4G then mixmatch the shits.
60 is mostly enough, you won't get video or audio buffering aside from maybe veryhigh 4k60 although that 10Mb upload is kinda trash, I guess they're cucking streamers and homebrewers.
(you) tell me
>10Mbps up
this is literally why I switched from cumcast dickfinity to AT&T. I went from 800 Mbps down/20 Mbps up to 500 bidirectional, and it's fricking cheaper to boot. Feels fricking good man.
where the frick do you live? I've had 100Mbit/s 10 years ago for $9
>online gaming
Am I missing something? It only uses Kb/s at most. I guess you need to download those 100-200 GB games these days.
wanna know who are lucky bastards?
Spaniards. The motherfrickers have excellent ISPs compared to the rest of Europe and ridiculously good FFTH coverage
16 is enough, 30 is good and anymore is nice to have unless like 5 people use the internet then 30 is barely enough
100mbps down/10mbps up is a decent spot. it's not unbearably slow but you also can't download large files instantly, so it forces you to wait a little bit before you're fed the next batch of trash media.
Britbong here paying £32 for 60/10 MBps, which is literally the fastest I can get in my area.
Seems fast enough for me.
500/500, Brazil, R$18.50, dollaroos. The thing is my PC is a bit far from the router and I can't use cable, so through a shit dongle I get only 100Mb. My phone hits 150Mb in my bedroom and 320Mb right in front of the router that stays in the living room. Their device is a bit shitty.
I meant $18.50.
Is it really fiber that ISP provides in the UK?
They always advertise fiber with shitty speeds under 70 megabit/s. while real fiber speed are 1000+ megabit/s
It's probably "fiber" in that the backbone is fiber, but the last mile (to your house/apartment) is copper.
That last mile copper can significantly impact performance depending on the type of networking technology they're using (dsl, vdsl, adsl, DOCSIS, etc) and the age of the copper (the older your copper is generally the slower it is)
why would they make the last mile outdated copper/coax?
It's cheaper obviously
150/10 works for me, but I wish my upload speed was atleast 25
I'd kill for 60mbps. This is .25mi off a state highway connecting 3 towns 20mins outside of Atlanta. Pretty sure the backhaul here is still copper. With the storms lately I've noticed that the dsl and LTE disconnect simultaneously with a lightning strike.
>3 seconds of upload latency
Probably has to do with the ancient isp router they make me pay for but won't update.
Phonegayging not helping it either.
What's fun is that everyone who fell for the voip meme as a landline is getting major fricked. Elderly widow next door can't call for help if she falls.
I've got an LTE modem in a Chinese router, speeds are better but it's just as unreliable at times. Pretty sure I'm on the back side of the antennas. I'm only a half mile from it but the signal is completely unreliable.
Try connecting to different LTE bands even a faraway 1 bar signal on an underutilized band can be better than 5 bars on a congested one
I'd have to switch carriers as I've tried both available bands.
At&t was pretty decent but they blacklisted my modem after a crackdown on the $35 unlimited data plan. Had some fatass mouthbreather c**t from the fraud department call me in a huff about it after I convinced some low level tech to remove the block on my account the first time.
>Elderly widow next door can't call for help if she falls.
She just needs a ham radio. You don't need to be licensed for emergencies.
Iktf bro maybe try lte
This is 3 bars of AT&T LTE for me.
Could be worse
Nah, I'd say that's quite low for 2022. 500Mbps should be enough for speedy downloads of most things, taking into account that you won't always get the full speed for every download. Ideally just get 1Gbps, going beyond that you probably won't be seeing huge benefits anymore.
Just wait for your big downloads bro why do you need things instantaneously?
What do you mean? 1Gbps is quite quick, you won't be waiting very long for anything being distributed nowadays. Nothing is big enough to take very long to download at 1Gbps.
I mean 20-60 is enough you dont need gigabit speeds just have some patience
Nah, 20-60 is definitely insufficient.
4k video can be quite large and games get to 100-200GB in the worst cases. A 1Gbps connection can get you a 200GB download in about half an hour, 500Mbps would be about 1h, that's a reasonable amount of time to wait for something. At 20Mbps it would be nearly 23h and with such a terribly slow connection you'd either need to have very good QoS on your router - which would further slow the download - or you'd have your internet effectively crippled while the frickhuge download is going. Even streaming a video could significantly impact download time. That's more than just waiting, it's a huge inconvenience and clearly not adequate for today's file sizes. You'd need to plan at least a day in advance and leave a computer running at all times even if you normally don't in order to finish a download. 60Mbps would still suck quite a lot, at 7-8h it's still a long time to potentially have your internet working poorly and it's also long enough that you can't really spontaneously decide you'd like to download something, you'd still need to plan for that shit to make sure it's already downloaded when you actually want to use it.
probably is enough but only if it priced fairly?
56K is enough if you turn off javascript and don't stream content like a homosexual.
60Mbps is only enough if you're not a super heavy internet user.
kek, even the cheapest plan by the shit-tier telco is 400 Mbps here.
Is this penance for being an anglo?
Obviously the natural first question is "for what" to which you'll respond "weeb shit" to which I'll respons "10mbps", but I have a feeling you'll cripple your abbility to save money and go for the 60mbps option so you can download elden rings within in the hour instead waiting a night.
Where do you live that they even sell 10 Mbps plans in the year of our lord, 2022?
comcast is charging $300/mo + $500 installation fee + $300 activation fee for 6gigs down/3 gigs up
but they are supposed to be launching 10gigs sometime next year, and allegegly droppping the 6gig plan down to $100-ish. just hoping they down try and sneak in data caps
Yeah, they had their 2gbps fiber available here when it first came out for $150/month + $500 install + $300 activation. Then the price increased to $300/month. Now they got rid of the 2gbps and replaced it with the 6gbps (I assume since verizon started offering 2gbps in NYC).
>data cabs on fiber
To what end?
Wasn't their whole argument for implementing data caps that the aging copper infrastructure couldn't handle it?
None of their fiber plans have ever had a data cap, even in states that normally would have data capped plans.
Comcast isn't that dumb.
Their 2gbps, and now 6gbps fiber plans are always uncapped.
Have fun waiting a day to restore backups or download big games movies or programs over 100-200gb
Store backups locally leave big downloads over night problem?
>Store backups locally leave big downloads over night problem?
Lmao that net is slow as shit
My connection is 50Mb/sec, and only on big downloads (10GB ISOs, etc.) do I wish it was faster.
You need to buy the best speed for your money. You buy 100 mbps plan but realistically you only get half of it at majority of times because other people are also on same line. Atleast thats how Australia works. Im on 100 mbps and get 50-70 during majority but peak hour it gets bad as 30-40 minimum. If you get guaranteed speed on the 60 mbps plan id say thats alright for 2 people using heavy duty usage.
Tdlr; get the most you can afford cause you wont get 100% advertised speeds 24/7 and you need to think how many people use your router.
>You buy uncapped 1000 mbps plan for 16€ but realistically you only get 950 mbs at majority of times because other people are also on same line. Atleast thats how Poland works.
That's not how it works.
TCP/IP packet overhead is roughly 5.5%, meaning the fastest your internet will ever be on a 1gbps ethernet NIC is 945mbps (1000*5.5%=55-1000=945mbps)
I live in ruralish America and I've never seen this happen, even back like 15 years ago when cable internet really was all shared layer 2.
>ruralish
That's called suburban you dumb bastard
That happened to me like 10 years ago when I had 10 Mbps
> those upload speeds
And I thought German internet was fricked.
10 is plenty
have a nice day, I bet you think HDDs are fine for a boot drive too.
Works on my machine
>Mbps
Just use MBs ffs
jesus christ please tell me this is bait
the average home in my 3rd world poopsock has at least 400mbps internet
15-25Mbps is enough for anyone really unless you're a homosexual that torrents 500GB of useless shit every hour
Funny. Way back first internet was dial-up 28.8 kbps. Fast forward I dunno 18 years. Got cable internet. (before to download large files I'd get on some dude's open wireless connection while I was at work) Fast forward another dozen years or so. Hell I no longer need blazing fast internet. I've got all the shows,movies,porn,etc that I want now. WTF good would 1Gbps internet do me now.
I ran cables from my router in the hall to the living room and office, and in each of those rooms there's a small 5 port desktop switch to which I connect devices. Although with wifi6 I get the same speeds as cable.
I get 22 out of my 50 connection. I live in the middle of nowhere, I have like 3km of copper before it reaches the fiber. Sometime ago, some guy with a tractor knocked down the over-earth cable and I didn't have a connection for a week.
I recently ditched my broadband provider who were putting the price up to £70 ($83) a month for a shitty 100Mbps connection. I thought I'd try living with a 4G connection and bought a Huawei B818. Honestly it's absolutely fine for my purposes. During the night when there's less congestion it's actually faster than the broadband connection I gave up. I don't play online gaymes, so I don't give a shit about an extra 25ms ping over what I was getting before and the speed is perfectly adequate for my needs. Best part is that it's only costing me £10 ($12) a month with unlimited data.
yeah that loaded latency is dog shit, but if you're not doing any sort of gaming type shit or a ton of video conferencing while also downloading or uploading heavily you should be fine.