Is even possible to write a very generic idea, like a pokemon isekai harem fanfiction garbarge with lot of female sex with the MC, into a literary wor...

Is even possible to write a very generic idea, like a pokemon isekai harem fanfiction garbarge with lot of female sex with the MC, into a literary work of the western cannon?

Like how do you write in a western canyon style, that the brown shota put 5 waifus to suck his dick at once?

How would shakespeare or cervantes would had written that?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This thread could go either way. I hope somebody effortposts.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Theoretically, yeah. It's going to have to be exquisitely aesthetic and deal with seeing characterizations that tap into some fundamental part of human nature. It would be like a novel about Ghengis Khan, only some shots is on a quest for fame and glory in a simulacrum of power that is still regarded as power in the simulation. He's a child because such a thing is childish, just as conquest outside of true power is an illusory endeavor. He's a celebrity in a spectacle, there's a barbed undercurrent of hero worship and all the tween sex reflects the true interests of his fans and our own society. Execution would be key, all this needs to be ambiguous and the end will not be so clean as a fappily ever after. It's a damning post-nut clarity.

    I'd probably frame the adolescent sex as a subverted and redirected, initially pure natural desire and follow the cues of erotica on nifty which have a subtext suggesting that we fetishize this purity and pervert it out of some desire to return to Eden, which only corrupts the pure. The MC would at some point be cursed with Knowledge and be damned for it, unable to change the tide of the society that props him up for their own amusement.

    Man it would take a strong hand to make this work, but it could be done.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      nice post

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have a feeling it would be absurdly easy to turn one of those “instant harem for a loser” anime’s into a character commentary or some kind of mirror for the viewer type thing seeing as the whole point of making that type of story is for evil means for evil people (power fantasy for losers)

    Especially as commentary for the Japanese by the Japanese because these stories were originally made for them. I would honestly be surprised if an anime criticizing the trope hasnt already been made because of how old, demonic, and nonsensical it is

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >trying to deconstruct a wish fullfilment fantasy for losers
      why do you gays have to make fun into some academic boring lecture?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Anon is stating what the harem fantasy is, there's no need for deconstruction, everyone who isn't a loser already sees it as evil.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >evil
          ok commie.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't use the word lightly because it's a terribly loaded term, but it fits. Both the trope and the people who beat off to it are exploring evil. No one has condemned it, yet.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            abraham was polygamous as well as lot.

            The bible doesn't mention God punished abraham and lot for having multiple wifes.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That was before Moses's covenant. Also we're not talking about biblical sin. We're talking about evil inherent in power fantasies and the reader's relationship with them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >power fantasies are evil
            So no fun allowed in your marxist utopia, commie?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Since you're a moronic catposter, I'm going to assume you're OP. You asked, this is what big boy literature is about. Evil. The nature of it. How it underlies things like hedonism and fantasies of control. You want to degrade and diminish another, that's evil.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            big boy literature is just snob shit where the writer does his attempts at some philosophical issue.

            Most writers aren't philosophers, so their attempts always end up being introductory phil 101 stuff.

            Western canon is just a snorefest trip to self warranted professors bragging they have read some old books and can understand the deep issues of humans and understand inner reference jokes of senece.

            It's just ego circlejerks of snobs.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Then why are you here? There's nothing here for you.
            Wrong board

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I want to parody western canon shit by making a western canon literary work, but making it about the most trivial generic shit.

            Basically shakespearean inspired prose, to describe a porn parody of pokemon.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
            Good luck with that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Try Pynchon.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            God didn't have to punish Abraham for having multiple wives. Abraham did that to himself

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Why is accepting the hand you're dealt by surrendering to the conditions to extract pleasure is evil? What's evil about embracing reality on your own terms? Whats up with the weird moralization?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Put yourself in a position where you'd reasonably submit and ride your own dick or the dick of someone exactly like you and you start to see the problem. I just frick other losers and make sure they aren't full blown fricking crazy or literally moronic.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            > ride your own dick or the dick of someone exactly like you and you start to see the problem
            I don't self loathe so this goes over my head. If it is the case that corrupting a person means to persuade them off a path they're already on then all advertising is the same brand of evil. At the end of the day we all have the autonomy to say no whether or not we exercise that choice is up to us. If someone decides to live a life as a wienersleeve to some neet manchild goober that is based and a choice they made. I wish there were more people like that around.

            Having your main hero surrender to his fate by embracing coomer fantasies is not evil. It's nothing.
            I guess the "evil" part is that you want to convince other people that they also need to surrender and get in ze pleasure pods, but honestly they are going to do it anyway, blackpilled or not, so...

            >I guess the "evil" part is that you want to convince other people that they also need to surrender
            So evil is when present a choice? The garden of Eden apple snake makes so much sense now. Big if true.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Non-serviam has never been looked so defanged.
            Write your book*, this is a nice twist on regular defiance of authority (and if I can cum to it, them all the better).

            *If you can 😉

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Having your main hero surrender to his fate by embracing coomer fantasies is not evil. It's nothing.
            I guess the "evil" part is that you want to convince other people that they also need to surrender and get in ze pleasure pods, but honestly they are going to do it anyway, blackpilled or not, so...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >anime deconstruction
      Has neve been done before.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It was made, the show is called School Days

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      (Me!)

      abraham was polygamous as well as lot.

      The bible doesn't mention God punished abraham and lot for having multiple wifes.

      The trope isn’t evil because of the fact he has multiple girls it’s because again it’s supposed to be gay power fantasy. It’s a complete loser that doesn’t do anything with his life with no personality that gets girls to obsess over him for no reason. Made to have the moronic loser of a viewer insert himself as the protagonist and dream about the same thing happening to him instead of working for anything. It’s truly an evil trope

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        God didn't have to punish Abraham for having multiple wives. Abraham did that to himself

        >Dude, Stop having fun
        >What if japanese modern corporate wage slavery is a piece of shit, but you can't at least have fun with imaginary characters of cartoon girls
        >You need to wageslave more in the cubicle, pay more taxes and get nothing more than a 1x1 cublicle in a tokyo cyber internet, that's what it means to be mature and shit

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I can only envision this as a really nihilistic and grim story of surrender. Like a person who is keenly aware that their life is shit and all he has is illusions. Nothing to do but escape.
          You could try to champion some sort of hedonistic lifestyle, but it's so passive that it really can only be understood as getting high and forgetting.
          Frick, in isekais you literally have to fricking die first on order to get the good stuff. Nothing improves, there is no struggle or fight. All in the world is lost. You just fricking die. That's grim.
          Would be really interested in someone trying this.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Your advice is well suited to the top 1% of heroes.

            the vast majority of males are the bottom tier shit that is culled because women wont breed with them.

            Telling a bottom tier male that he simply needs to work harder, is to deny the reality that for some males there's simply no way to fix their situation.

            The blackpill is a real situation for a lot of young males.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If you can get this message through without compromising on being the same as the coomer slop it is taking direct inspiration on AND still feel like a power fantasy, that'd be an achievement on its own, I think.
            The blackpill is about as compelling as nihilism and anti-natalism, so it is sure to find a place in popular culture, if it is done correctly

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Why should I take away the purpose of the work being a parody to mock literary snobs?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            see

            >And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
            Good luck with that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I mean, you do you.
            >Is a self aware power fantasy that knows it's nothing but wank for losers
            >Champions blackpill thinking
            >Sells itself as a parody of western cannon works by being on the same level of quality
            Very ambitious shit. Somebody already said it before, but sounds like what Marquis de Sade was doing back in the day.
            I know you won't do shit though, but it's fun to think about

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This thread made me recontextualize something I was working on as it was a very YA story about coming of age things, set in the kind of modernist isekai world murakami epitomizes as far as literary authors are concerned. I have a vague sense that I need to think about, there's something very interesting with this that aligns with those questions of futility and fantasy. It helped someone out, at least.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The blackpill is about as compelling as nihilism and anti-natalism, so it is sure to find a place in popular culture
            Incorrect. Works that find their way into popular culture are life affirming and existentialist. It can gain a cult following but will not be a part of the mainstream.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Rick and Morty literally told it's audience nothing matters we're all gonna die, come watch TV.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ignoring the other mainstream films and anime with the opposite message, including CODA and Attack on Titan.
            >nothing matters we're all gonna die
            I stopped watching that shit after 2019 but Rick was presented as a miserable c**t that you aren't supposed to agree with. The R&M fandom is also considered a joke by the public at large.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Rick and Morty is also a comedy show and nobody in it is intended to be a role model. Most people aren't agreeing with him but are amused at how overly cynical he is.

            Point is, nihilism found a way into the mainstream: nothing less than a highly successful Netflix show that normies gobbled up

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Rick and Morty is also a comedy show and nobody in it is intended to be a role model. Most people aren't agreeing with him but are amused at how overly cynical he is.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I can only envision this as a really nihilistic and grim story of surrender.
            Beautifully put, fricking do it OP.
            >You could try to champion some sort of hedonistic lifestyle
            I wouldn't even call it hedonism, its moreso a feeble attempt to replicate the hedonism of a royal harem via flights of fancy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm really curious to see how something like this would look like. Heroism so fake and empty, yet so painfully self aware.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >[genre] is "evil" and "demonic" because the deplorable with no personality got access to pussy which he didn't deserve
        >"losers" (implied male) are "evil"
        meds, femanon

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's kinda what Evangelion is.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A white person can't write isekai, so idekai garbage can't enter the Western Canon.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Try de Sade, OP.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    pynchon could do it. well, he's too old now. but he couldve

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