Stop questioning and looking without, but look within and discover for yourself, only you can know that, so know yourself. The innocent and simple are synonymous.
Once lost, gone forever, pretty much by definition. Of course people are bound to have explored the idea of "innocence regained" here and there:
Strangely, it was not in the water that they met. Hook rose to the rock to breathe, and at the same moment Peter scaled it on the opposite side. The rock was slippery as a ball, and they had to crawl rather than climb. Neither knew that the other was coming. Each feeling for a grip met the other’s arm: in surprise they raised their heads; their faces were almost touching; so they met.
Some of the greatest heroes have confessed that just before they fell to they had a sinking. Had it been so with Peter at that moment I would admit it. After all, he was the only man that the Sea-Cook had feared. But Peter had no sinking, he had one feeling only, gladness; and he gnashed his pretty teeth with joy. Quick as thought he snatched a knife from Hook’s belt and was about to drive it home, when he saw that he was higher up the rock than his foe. It would not have been fighting fair. He gave the pirate a hand to help him up.
It was then that Hook bit him.
Not the pain of this but its unfairness was what dazed Peter. It made him quite helpless. He could only stare, horrified. Every child is affected thus the first time he is treated unfairly. All he thinks he has a right to when he comes to you to be yours is fairness. After you have been unfair to him he will love you again, but will never afterwards be quite the same boy. No one ever gets over the first unfairness; no one except Peter. He often met it, but he always forgot it. I suppose that was the real difference between him and all the rest.
>Once lost, gone forever, pretty much by definition. Of course people are bound to have explored the idea of "innocence regained" here and there:
ok nice, now comes a wall of text, let's see who is anon quoting first >— ‘Peter Pan’
gay, have a pity (You).
You'd need to isolate yourself. Living in this degenerate world that constantly assaults every one of your senses is a constant corruption. Even if you manage to not participate you still go to sleep soiled in any way or another
This idea comes up rather intriguingly in Cormac McCarthy's original screenplay for ‘The Counselor’. Right at the end, when Malkina is with the escort in the restaurant, she tells him that she’s pregnant with a boy, whose father is going to be “the best kind of father” — which means, she explains, “a dead father”. Then we get this:
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What is it that you want?
My own life. I own very little. Some israeliteelry. A few clothes. There are times when when I imagine that I would like my innocence back. If I ever had it. But I would never pay the price which it now commands on the market.
Your own life.
When the world itself is the source of your torment then you are free to exact vengeance upon any least part of it. I think perhaps you would have to be a woman to understand that. And you will never know the depth of your hurt until you are presented with the opportunity for revenge. Only then will you know what you are capable of.
I think you have told me more than I wish to know.
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Cormac seems to be playing with the idea that Malkina is planning to raise her son as a sort of demon to wreak vengeance on the world for the hurt it’s done her. The bit about ‘the price her innocence now commands’ is interesting. Not sure what it means.
You can never return to the Garden and trying is a lost cause. I also personally find that "innocence" is a coded way to say naive and expresses a desire to be blind to how things always were, whether it is out of being unfit to live in that world or angry at an abstract perpetrator that one cannot control is another matter.
Innocence can be regained in a sense but it would be the Spirit of God resting anew in place of yours, and only after repentance and purification from the relevant crummy attachments and desires. If you were once prone to theft, because you may have felt deprived, you can come to see with fresh eyes the world as teeming with wonderful things and wonder how depriving others ever seemed a good way to fill a heart that can only be rightly filled full by the weight of God.
You could regain a good amount of innocence but you would have to lose a lot of things that today's zeitgeist values so greatly. Cease any form of abstract thought, leave analysis and contemplation behind. Rely more on your physical senses and find a way to use your brain that doesn't require words.
Stop questioning and looking without, but look within and discover for yourself, only you can know that, so know yourself. The innocent and simple are synonymous.
Once lost, gone forever, pretty much by definition. Of course people are bound to have explored the idea of "innocence regained" here and there:
Strangely, it was not in the water that they met. Hook rose to the rock to breathe, and at the same moment Peter scaled it on the opposite side. The rock was slippery as a ball, and they had to crawl rather than climb. Neither knew that the other was coming. Each feeling for a grip met the other’s arm: in surprise they raised their heads; their faces were almost touching; so they met.
Some of the greatest heroes have confessed that just before they fell to they had a sinking. Had it been so with Peter at that moment I would admit it. After all, he was the only man that the Sea-Cook had feared. But Peter had no sinking, he had one feeling only, gladness; and he gnashed his pretty teeth with joy. Quick as thought he snatched a knife from Hook’s belt and was about to drive it home, when he saw that he was higher up the rock than his foe. It would not have been fighting fair. He gave the pirate a hand to help him up.
It was then that Hook bit him.
Not the pain of this but its unfairness was what dazed Peter. It made him quite helpless. He could only stare, horrified. Every child is affected thus the first time he is treated unfairly. All he thinks he has a right to when he comes to you to be yours is fairness. After you have been unfair to him he will love you again, but will never afterwards be quite the same boy. No one ever gets over the first unfairness; no one except Peter. He often met it, but he always forgot it. I suppose that was the real difference between him and all the rest.
— ‘Peter Pan’
>Once lost, gone forever, pretty much by definition. Of course people are bound to have explored the idea of "innocence regained" here and there:
ok nice, now comes a wall of text, let's see who is anon quoting first
>— ‘Peter Pan’
gay, have a pity (You).
>IQfy can’t see beauty beyond a Russian homosexual who wants to kill himself
Sad! Many such cases!
You'd need to isolate yourself. Living in this degenerate world that constantly assaults every one of your senses is a constant corruption. Even if you manage to not participate you still go to sleep soiled in any way or another
homie, women were always prostitutes. You're feeling butthurt and nostalgic about something that never existed.
t.mommy issues. Also stop validating that moron Freud
Freud was right about everything
No he wasn't. Unless you view your dad as sexual competition.
This idea comes up rather intriguingly in Cormac McCarthy's original screenplay for ‘The Counselor’. Right at the end, when Malkina is with the escort in the restaurant, she tells him that she’s pregnant with a boy, whose father is going to be “the best kind of father” — which means, she explains, “a dead father”. Then we get this:
--
What is it that you want?
My own life. I own very little. Some israeliteelry. A few clothes. There are times when when I imagine that I would like my innocence back. If I ever had it. But I would never pay the price which it now commands on the market.
Your own life.
When the world itself is the source of your torment then you are free to exact vengeance upon any least part of it. I think perhaps you would have to be a woman to understand that. And you will never know the depth of your hurt until you are presented with the opportunity for revenge. Only then will you know what you are capable of.
I think you have told me more than I wish to know.
--
Cormac seems to be playing with the idea that Malkina is planning to raise her son as a sort of demon to wreak vengeance on the world for the hurt it’s done her. The bit about ‘the price her innocence now commands’ is interesting. Not sure what it means.
All this was cut from the film, of course.
You can never return to the Garden and trying is a lost cause. I also personally find that "innocence" is a coded way to say naive and expresses a desire to be blind to how things always were, whether it is out of being unfit to live in that world or angry at an abstract perpetrator that one cannot control is another matter.
t.mommy issues. Also stop validating that moron Freud
Innocence can be regained in a sense but it would be the Spirit of God resting anew in place of yours, and only after repentance and purification from the relevant crummy attachments and desires. If you were once prone to theft, because you may have felt deprived, you can come to see with fresh eyes the world as teeming with wonderful things and wonder how depriving others ever seemed a good way to fill a heart that can only be rightly filled full by the weight of God.
did you take this picture?
No, I didn't. I think it was posted on IQfy once actually.
You could regain a good amount of innocence but you would have to lose a lot of things that today's zeitgeist values so greatly. Cease any form of abstract thought, leave analysis and contemplation behind. Rely more on your physical senses and find a way to use your brain that doesn't require words.
How do you define innocence? And yes, I'm aware of the limits to my question.
Innocence is restored when one becomes renewed by God.
Due to the fall resulting from original sin, there is no absolute innocence within the world, only relative innocence.
One inherits nobility, and/or ignobility, that is/are rationally proportionate to one's soul, and which one converts, and/or improves, through virtue.
Are we talking about intact hymens here?
It's never lost.