Is it possible for hardcore erotica to be deep, moving, insightful literature or will it always be moronic coomer shit?
Is it possible for hardcore erotica to be deep, moving, insightful literature or will it always be retarded coomer shit?
Is it possible for hardcore erotica to be deep, moving, insightful literature or will it always be moronic coomer shit?
Absolutely. Read Samuel R. Delany.
>Is it possible for hardcore erotica to be deep, moving, insightful literature
No.
>or will it always be moronic coomer shit?
Yes.
>it possible for hardcore erotica to be deep, moving, insightful literature
If it does it's because it would have been the same without the erotic content.
Correct. I've read a lot of free stories on erotica sites. The good stories don't have any explicit sex, they deal with the consequences and emotions of sex.
The OK stories have sex scenes shoehorned into otherwise interesting plots / characters to try and pander for views.
The poor stories have no real plot, just sex scenes with linking paragraphs of unbelievable dross.
It would cease being hardcore erotica at that point, just plain old erotica. Nicholson Baker is probably the one who has taken this the furthest (at least of those with the skill to pull it off) with his erotic trilogy of Vox, The Fermata and House of Holes.
Those erotic moments in our lives tell a great deal about who we are and are a powerful tool of the author which is used by many.
>Those erotic moments in our lives tell a great deal about who we are and are a powerful tool of the author which is used by many.
It's more limited that you make it sound. Arousal and pursuing sex are still quite basal functions of the human body. The most superficial moron and the most over-educated genius are both levelled by it. Only the narcissistic impulse of the author can make it seem special.
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Much of literature is the exploration of the basal and our relation to it. Sex is more complicated than just animal instinct; the prostitute, the fetishist, the coomer, the incel, the tradlarper all have a very different relation to the topic and writing it off as superficial and universally understood as such is idiotic.
>the prostitute
>the fetishist
>the coomer
>the incel
>the tradlarper
>all have a very different relation to the topic
It's funny that you chose these examples, because you are completely wrong.
A character could have strange habits or make strange decisions while doing it. It could be the cause/result of an internal struggle, or just a part of the characterization.
There could also be something like the elliot rodger manifesto, with an obsessed virgin describing his fantasies in detail, though I'm not sure if that would count.
Yes, obviously. You have to actually be a moronic coomer that needs to be kept on a leash to not be able to get anything out of something like that.
What a woman question. If it has different goals it cannot be the same or it's two things in one artificially sewn together.
I heard the Song of Songs wasn't originally a religious poem. La Noche Oscura is very beautiful too.
>he doesn't know about the Jin Ping Mei
It's kinkier than most japanese eroges you heard of but is simultaneously thought to be one of the greatest chinese novels of all time. It's 3600 pages long and according to wikipedia it has 72 sex scenes.
Absolutely.
So is it actually kino or just as moronic as it looks?
I hate this particular woman so much it's unreal
If I hadn't seen her profile picture, I wouldn't even have been able to tell if it was satire or not. What has society become?
Yes. Depends on what you mean by 'erotica', but I think Delicious Tacos is a good example of what you're describing.
It’s a genre that doesn’t mix well.
A deep philosophical story with romance or even action can be applauded and appreciated by a wide audience, some saying the romance felt tacked on or not their cup of tea, but fine.
But if you interject full on semen spewing hardcore sex in an intellectually deep story, many will avoid its intellectual depths, and those looking for porn will just skip over those bits for the double penetration scene.
You can do it, both halves done well and goo, but the audience will usually react poorly.
If you're writing hardcore porn you're probably not thinking about making the plot
>deep, moving, insightful
you're just thinking about how to make it arousing.
" I desire my body. To have a penis is to bear witness to an erection. An erection is the epicentre of my pleasure. Male pleasure has been for too long equated as ejaculatory. My manifesto is that male pleasure is dry. Male pleasure is the erection itself. The sight of it. The power of it. The stiffness of it in my hand. An erect male penis is heavy and beautiful. As I rub it, the pleasure it produces is worshipped. The way it pulses and stiffens as I pound it. The build of it. The tightening within. The promise. The slow secretion of viscous liquid. I will love it. I will love my penis."
A bit gay, but not all together incorrect.
moron. Mass media and public perception is exactly what keep erotica and "high art" separated.
This anon gets the idea.
Here, watch this snippet of Dick Cavett interviewing Orson Welles:
Orson is obviously talking about film here, but it applies to literature, too. What porn is trying to do and what "serious" art is trying to do are fundamentally different. You can't have "great art" that's also porn, because those are two different categories of media that are fundamentally aiming at two very different end goals. Either it's going to be awful art or it's going to be awful porn, if you try to do both in the same work.
Orson Welles never played an eroge like WA2 so what the frick does he know about good porn and good story
God, I wish. At least as a sex slave, I'd have sex. Unfortunately, they want worker drones.
in praise of older women was pretty good
It might not be actual literature (Since it's hentai), but InCase's the invitation left me messed up over how much it made me question things like free will and lust.
>Since it's hentai
I've read erotic fiction which I thought was clever and well executed. Did it say anything about the human condition? Tough to say. I think so. A very small subsection of a small segment of the human condition.