Is learning to program worth it?
32 year old warehouse worker in the UK here earning 19,500 per year. Thinking of picking up Python
Any advice?
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Is learning to program worth it? 32 year old warehouse worker in the UK here earning 19,500 per year. Thinking of picking up Python. Any advice?
frick off we're full
real advice: yes, it's better than fricking warehouse work, python is fine
meme advice: frick off we're full
Python programmer in the uk here on £80k
>Is learning to program worth it?
You'll never know until you try. If you have free time and energy then by all means do it.
>32 y.o
Its over..
Bullshit. Sure at that age you will most likely not get to become a rockstar because your formative / addictive years are long gone but being a run of the mill developer is perfectly achievable. I've met dudes who started coding in their fricking fifties or some shit and they were more or less capable in middle dev roles.
Absolutely false.
If you dont start young you'll forever be a code monkey
if you're not immediately good at it just quit, because nobody will recruit you
That's when I started
Granted I was already an engineer
>32
>19,500 bong dollars
jesus bro
i was earning 170k fresh out of college
Frick off we're full
>32 year old
You can do it as a hobby, but you (same as me) have already lost this train.
there are people out there with 10 year less and coding on several languages. you can't compete.
>You can't do it bro
>How do I know? Because I don't think I can do it
Thanks for chiming in anon.
Coding is very difficult unless you're naturally good at logic and math and it takes a lot of studying and devotion. Realistically you probably will never be a programmer. But it is possible if you work really hard at it.
You did not understand. I told you to do it in fact, learn to code, knowing is better than not knowing.
but you can't get your hopes too high, or even get hopes at all. As I already said, there are plenty of zoomzoom codemonkeys out there. so you should be S-tier to get some chance.
Don't fool yourself, you aren't gettin anyway. Learn to code as the world gets more and more computer-driven, but we both lost that opportuntity
>You did not understand. I told you to do it in fact, learn to code, knowing is better than not knowing
I'm not OP, but 1) no, you never told him to learn, reread your own post. 2) You're clearly an ESL so your opinion is discarded.
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>You can do it as a hobby
I don't know what an ESL is
>you can't compete.
i see so many stories from people here about how incompetent their coworkers are. if someone is smart and motivated surely they could do better than bottom of the barrel workers like that and get a job???
Yes, you can, but you are forgettin about the filter, you must pass an interview, and those things are ridicule.
>we are looking for a full stack, not over 20, with 5 years experience on this shit that just came out yesterday. also english and chinese required.
>we have an xbox and a nespresso on the coworking tho.
and that will frick you up. I'm over 30 and no one blames me for being lazy, stupid or whatever but.
>muh age
>muh experience
you are out
Your blue collar work ethic will help. People that have only worked white collar jobs are lazy af and don't even realize it. Just make sure you stay consistent with your studying if you are self teaching, and make sure you work on your own projects and don't just endlessly follow tutorials.
I agree, most people get lazy and complacent and then stagnate. The true beasts of the field are not just those that start young, but those that continue to learn.
Process Engineer here.
I'm tired of working in person in this shitty chemical plant.
Currently make roughly 80k after bonuses.
Tired of what is essentially just a manager who rarely practices real engineering skills.
My degree is in chemical engineering so the "IQ test" that is programming shouldn't deter me I just worry the self motivation parts may be hard to get going while working a wagie job.
I mainly want to get into SQL data analysis while I continue to develop in python on the side. Working from home is a big meme and my programmer friends work maybe 2 or 3 days a week total. I'm jelly honestly.
SQL and Python are monkey tier. You'll learn that in no time. In fact anybody can become a Python code monkey even later in their lives.
Not everyone needs to know how to write a fricking O.S like IQfy would have you believe this coming from a guy who started in his mid 20s and now makes emulators on his free time.
frick mainstream coding, get into embedded systems
Tell me how then
Just do it. Would you rather be a 35 year old warehouse worker or have a success story from blue collar to white collar programmer ?
>have a success story from blue collar to white collar programmer ?
not happening
>not happening
This. Tech is oversaturated. Only three types of people are getting jobs these days:
-turbo autists who have been coding since they were kids
-Women
-Normies with connections to people in the industry
>tech is oversaturated
There's more to tech than gayMAN you moron. Every city needs IT people, every company needs programmers, especially halfway competent ones.
Silly question but how needed are programmers? Why would every company need one?
>Why would every company need one
Every company has their own website, but more importantly major companies have a ton of data and internal systems that need developing and maintaining and eventually upgrading. I used to work for an electric company and there were a bunch of internal data processing systems, for pricing and forecasting, and being a smart developer at a company like that means a cushy job where you don't have to do much other than not frick up horribly, and rake in your low 6 figure salary. You don't have to compete with a bunch of wanna-be rockstar devs for those jobs, you can make it pretty easily and run circles around the old Indian guys working there that have been doing Oracle and only Oracle database management for 25+ years.
>Why would every company need one?
Because in 2022 everybody has the attention span and frustration tolerance of a toddler and if your website / app isn't working as fast and reliably as a gayMAN app your company is going to lose a bunch of money. I work for a goddamn fast food company and they have 100+ developers working on their online ordering system.
I don't believe you
I don't work for McDonalds but I figure it's comparable to the company I work for. They currently have 62 job openings for software / data positions and likely employ even more software people than my company does - not to mention the consultants they'll bring on board when they need extra help.
https://careers.mcdonalds.com/global-corporate/jobs?categories=Information%20Technology&page=1
I wonder how choosy they are.
I come from a chemical/petroleum engineering background but pivoted to tech over last year.
Confirmed never worked in corporate America. I was once on a team that was in charge of getting a TV commercial produced and the company spent 3 million dollars and months of a dozen people's time for a horrible ad that ran exactly twice. 100 people working on an ordering system that I assume will be deployed globally is nothing.
>32 years old
you do realize you are closer to retiring than to your first day at skeewl?
Learn2math friendo
Turn a spreadsheet into a make believe warehouse ant post it on github in 2 months not when you're done.
Everyone wants to get into programming for the 'money' and people like that never succeed in the industry.
Get into it if it genuinely interests you, otherwise stay the frick away.
The biggest factor of success in cases like this is really whether someone has a natural affinity for it. If you're fairly good at math & logic, self-direction, and enjoy building things then it's possible to be quite successful in this field as a self-taught engineer.
If you find programming to be a chore and you're not good at self-direction, and you find your brain isn't really wired that way, then you're better off going back to school for something else, perhaps trade school.
That said you never know if you don't try. Python is good place to start.
I don't know where you're located but there's a myriad of choice in tech these days, recruiters will literally suck your dick for instance if you're a senior.
My dad is a tradesman and has been complaining that none of the new apprentices they have are worth anything because they're all morons. He says smart and practically-minded workers these days all get into IT, leaving the trades with the dregs of society. My point is, if you're not a dreg, you should be a programmer. So just do it homosexual.
>Is learning to program worth it?
Not unless there's something which interests you and involves programming. For example, I got back into C/C++ around 2011 due to Arduino and wanting to play with some old alphanumeric displays and vintage sound chips I'd found. From there, it grew into all sorts of more complicated embedded things.
But as a job... nah, it's much easier to be a solution architect and get paid to basically corral group a into a meeting with group b and make them work together on a project, and shut off the work laptop every day at 5PM sharp.
Forget about being a code monkey. What you really wanna do is retvrn to monke
I've been taking Harvard's cs50 class and have to constantly look up guides to help me do the assignments. I can read code but I can't seem to independently write it.
I heard the class is known to be quite difficult and ask a lot of you, just wondering how hard it is as a software engineer as two people I know tell me they literally YouTube shit when they don't know how to do something so I don't feel bad for "cheating" so to speak.
I'm learning python by myself and most of the stuff seems to be:
-A little set of stuff you know properly because you use it often
-Google for the rest.
also, trial and error
If you don't have any actual interest in tech you shouldn't be working in it, and you'll never make it even if you try. Especially since you're a low IQ warehouse monkey.
I worked in a warehouse for 5 years despite having an EE degree
I know someone who is slightly older than you who made the switch, plus supporting a family. It's doable, don't be demoralised. Python is a good start. But make sure you're enjoying it before you completely jump ship.
>Be a retail wage cuck, hate my job (and life) with a burning passion
>Started learning coooding at 31
>Now I'm 33 and working as a Salesforce Dev
I certainly don't have a passion for it, but it's 100x better than any retail wagie job and the pay is really good
is it possible to get a low paying web dev job in the US as a 30 year old if you've never worked before because of an undiagnosed mental illness so you can't put stuff on your resume like "was a carpenter for 4 years where i learned to work with others and follow orders and work under pressure during thunder storms"
Or you can put that you were a carpenter for 8 years, don't say anything about any mental illness, say you got injured and wanted a career change.
if i have to lie i will. and i can have my older brother coach me on some things in case an interviewer would actually ask specifics which would blow my mind but i don't know how the process works. and i do have rsi issues so i could lie and claim the carpentry did it.
IDK the UK but is it that different from the US? This guy started to learn to program at 29 and got a job a year or so later. Started at ~$50k but now makes well over six figures 6 years later:
What the frick, I live in Norway and I work at warehouse terminal at nights and earned about 640K NOK (61K Euro) last year.
If you keep making this thread instead of doing, it will never happen.
then OP is probably a bot that spams this thread frequently, like this other one:
Dude just go into a trade, it'll be much easier and (at least in murica) they're desperately for tradies