This is how leftcucks react when they don't have their corporate owners censoring wrongthink. If this discussion were in person they'd start shrieking like the spoiled little babies you see at the abortion rallies.
>Soingler >Wrongthink
Lmao. Kissinger and Bill Gates have both cited him as one of their favourite authors. But please, deny that, keep your fantasy that you’re some “dissident” guerrilla, opposed on all sides while fighting against modernity.
>Kissinger and Bill Gates have both cited him as one of their favourite authors
So? They are intelligent men. Please show me where as well, that sounds interesting. Again, your posts are extremely low tier, you seem more interested in directing people away from great, truly right wing thinkers. >le lmao
You're like a child.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because he’s not “wrong think” if he’s endorsed by “the system” as you see it.
Stop trying to sound intelligent, it’s just embarrassing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
HAHAHAHAHA!
How is he endorsed by the system? Where are Bill Gates and the israelite Kissinger shilling aristocratic right wing worldviews? They aren't, they are endorsing the polar opposite, you complete dumbass. >Stop trying to sound intelligent, it’s just embarrassing
Quite rich coming from you. I'm writing normally, you're probably just stupid and read garbage.
Also, post the source to back up your claims, you still have a chance to regain some lost dignity!
I agree. The title is dope, but the actual theory isn't that great and the writing is inelegant. If you want to read right wing philosophy, read Jünger instead. If you're into monumental historical works, read Mommsen or Osterhammel.
Russia is a shithole. Asians dominate modern mathematics, even the ones raised outside of the west. The 'west' is culturally dead but still dominant.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What do you think Spengler actually believes?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I have read Spengler. Given your response, I presume you have not.
Please read the authors you intend to shitpost about.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't think you have, I think all you know is some infographic you read that was in all likelihood itself the creation of second-hand knowledge. What does this >Russia is a shithole.
have anything to do with Spengler? What do you think he said about Russia you blathering moron? Spengler's conception of Russian culture was as a fundamentally agrarian people, ie resource extraction. Western obsessions with money and conceptions of economics, both capitalist and communist, are fundamentally foreign to the Russian spirit. This includes industrialization, which ultimately is at odds with the Russian spirit and at best will just be tolerated. Russia has and always will be a land of rural resource extraction dotted with market towns. Does that sound like a prediction of some kind of Westernized 21st century utopia? I'm not even going to try to unravel what your Asian comment means. Your last sentence doesn't contradict Spengler at all, if anything it's very Spenglerian. Western culture has been dead for a couple centuries, but the civilization that remains will continue to excel in technics and impose itself on the world as imperium.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>dead silence
lol, dang, did you call it or what
2 years ago
Anonymous
What he posted doesn't even make it sound like he read a good summary of the book, it's not even the meme version of Spengler it's just random shit that has nothing to do with him.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Damn you killed her.
Anyways. Is Spengler the next author to be shilled around here after Evola and Guenon? I see many threads about him lately. What gives?
2 years ago
Anonymous
he influenced them. Hes been here awhile
2 years ago
Anonymous
You haven't read him/or a moron. Probably both. I'm not going to put in any effort here btw.
He said that this would be the hightide of Russian culture. Whence? The only worthwhile culture it's produced had been in the 19th century. "That's western." Indeed it is, and it's very good; where is the native stuff? "We are not Russian and thus can't tell." Then how can the Russians produce western art? "Because they've a western education." Like the ones Russians have today? Why do we not see Russians pushing down our throat these marvelous new works? Glorying in the cultural ascendancy?
You didn't contest my Asian claim, I presume that means you don't understand the changing demographics of higher level mathematics. To dumb it down for you: it used to be whites and israelites, now it is in large part, perhaps a large majority, Asian. How does this fit into the schema? Remembering to take my initial comment into account.
Technics define domination. People with guns don't lose to those without them. Spengler says (I'd ask you to recall it but you've not read the book) that efficacy defines the use of technics. Why, then, is there anything that would dethrone the west, if it's so preeminent in technology? Why is it that everyone else is desperately rushing to catch them?
Spengler's a fine influence, but he's wrong. Accepting that is the first stage to recovery from modern-day Aristotleanism.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The relationship between Russia and the West is already the same as the one that existed between Parthia and Rome. Rome was never able to rid itself of its eastern enemy and even began to adopt its cults, allowing the east to conquer it from the inside out. Russia has been an enemy of the West since Lenin. The war in Ukraine is just another episode in a general Russian war on the West that will probably extend centuries into the future, as it did between Rome and Parthia.
The art of a primitive people is always religious in nature. The history of artistic development is the concretization of ideas that were originally purely ideal or spiritual. Spengler himself noted this, that the birth of a new civilization is characterized by great religious building like the Gothic cathedrals and the Egyptian pyramids. What is the significance of the uniquely Russian church architecture? We cannot know yet because it is still in its early stage of development.
Note I'm not agreeing with Spengler about Russia, just speculating. He was convinced it is a new civilization, but realistically this would be impossible to prove for at least another century or two.
2 years ago
Anonymous
No he said that it would be in its epoch in 2000. This is like saying "Alright, Dante, but we can't predict the future of western art from that." Russian Dante whence?
This is the dumbest reading of Spengler I've ever seen. Especially the "Asians dominate math today" and what does this moronic notion have to do with anything in the book. They dominate it because their education and habits are focused entirely around it (unlike in here where we try our best to make math seem racist or whateverthefrick), it's in their Culture, all of which (Chinese, Indian, Magian) have their own highly elaborate distinct tradition of mathematics, separate from the West. This is all talked about in the book and has nothing to do with anything of what you are trying to blabber about. Nothing of this entire point makes any criticism of Spengler since you obviously have no fricking idea of the content of the book.
Technics is the way an organism lives, it's so metaphysically indebted to nature that there's basically no difference from it. Thus every Culture has a different relationship to technics and how technics affect it, since every Culture is a different organism with a different perception of nature itself, thus technics. Faustian Civilization is doomed exactly because its symbiosis with the infinite will eventually transform their entire world into a technological macrocosmic sphere, where man himself is lost. Meanwhile, say the Magians, or the Russians, or the Chinese, who have an entirely distinct idea of this same relationship will experience a different direction with it, as you can already fricking notice and would have noticed if you grasped a single word of the book or read a single history source to interpret its points and worldview. Dethroning the Faustian in this sense will imply dominating with a more successful fusion between technology and man, as in, say, the Chinese slowly trasnforming their state into a technic Tao, where each thing and everything flows according to an otherwordly machinic plan, mirroring the way nature moves with the Tao in an unbeknownst fashion. Everyone is "catching up", exactly because Faustian Civilization was in its climactic existence and was experiencing its golden age, but now this Culture is in its terminal decline, which allows for others (Russia, China, India, Iran, whatever) to develop on their own, separately.
Russian culture hasn't yet experienced its own metaphyscial expression, because it has existed constantly under a damaging pseudomorphosis. Again, something you would've been perfectly aware of if you actually read the book and understood a single thing out of it. It has been under the gaze of a constant Western yoke, especially under bolshevism, which is completely foreign to the Russian people and has dramatically changed their course of life. And yet there are obvious instances of purely Russian art and thinking that are even currently being developed - you can trace this development as far back as the Cosmists, composers such as Mussorgsky or Borodin, writers such as Dostoyevsky or Chekhov, the russian architecture itself.
Read homie, read
You HAVE read the book but are simply a moron. Read slowly:
Spengler is a relativist. Mathematics is the purest science existent. If non-faustian men can understand and advance faustian-Mathematics it is not relative. If it is not relative that the technics it produces are not limited to a civ's type but are universal and based on efficacy.
A malformed civ must still provide its own distinctive and worthwhile elements. If foreign interference can prevent this, then one civ can remain dominant.
There is no aspect of Chinese civilisation that has not undergone a western metamorphosis, be it maths culture or state structure. The Chinese adopt western methods because they are universally superior. They are universally superior because they are not based on relativistic mathematics.
That's two (you)s you've got out of me, friend; no more!
Also: have a nice day. You are a genuine idiot and don't understand the influences under which Spengler reacted to and was informed by.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is the dumbest reading of Spengler I've ever seen. Especially the "Asians dominate math today" and what does this moronic notion have to do with anything in the book. They dominate it because their education and habits are focused entirely around it (unlike in here where we try our best to make math seem racist or whateverthefrick), it's in their Culture, all of which (Chinese, Indian, Magian) have their own highly elaborate distinct tradition of mathematics, separate from the West. This is all talked about in the book and has nothing to do with anything of what you are trying to blabber about. Nothing of this entire point makes any criticism of Spengler since you obviously have no fricking idea of the content of the book.
Technics is the way an organism lives, it's so metaphysically indebted to nature that there's basically no difference from it. Thus every Culture has a different relationship to technics and how technics affect it, since every Culture is a different organism with a different perception of nature itself, thus technics. Faustian Civilization is doomed exactly because its symbiosis with the infinite will eventually transform their entire world into a technological macrocosmic sphere, where man himself is lost. Meanwhile, say the Magians, or the Russians, or the Chinese, who have an entirely distinct idea of this same relationship will experience a different direction with it, as you can already fricking notice and would have noticed if you grasped a single word of the book or read a single history source to interpret its points and worldview. Dethroning the Faustian in this sense will imply dominating with a more successful fusion between technology and man, as in, say, the Chinese slowly trasnforming their state into a technic Tao, where each thing and everything flows according to an otherwordly machinic plan, mirroring the way nature moves with the Tao in an unbeknownst fashion. Everyone is "catching up", exactly because Faustian Civilization was in its climactic existence and was experiencing its golden age, but now this Culture is in its terminal decline, which allows for others (Russia, China, India, Iran, whatever) to develop on their own, separately.
Russian culture hasn't yet experienced its own metaphyscial expression, because it has existed constantly under a damaging pseudomorphosis. Again, something you would've been perfectly aware of if you actually read the book and understood a single thing out of it. It has been under the gaze of a constant Western yoke, especially under bolshevism, which is completely foreign to the Russian people and has dramatically changed their course of life. And yet there are obvious instances of purely Russian art and thinking that are even currently being developed - you can trace this development as far back as the Cosmists, composers such as Mussorgsky or Borodin, writers such as Dostoyevsky or Chekhov, the russian architecture itself.
Read homie, read
He's pretty in English like Schopenhauer and Jung so actually a pleasure to read. He's both loved and loathed so yes, he's worth it, but more for certain insights than for his theory, in this respect like Hegel.
Lurkers will note that you have no arguments, only childish insults and presumably react in this way simply because he is on the "wrong" side of the political spectrum. Idiots like you are the cancer ruining this board.
it's got great insights on why city liberals are so insufferable and why they keep getting btfo by "redneck rural idiots" time and time again throughout history.
Honestly, no because if you go into the book hoping to find some answers about “what to do” the answers he gives seem scarcely realizable and probably will remain that way for at least our lifetime even if he’s right. Spengler was a catharsis turned black pill for me for that reason.
Why are we still discussing this book?
Spengler is a dusty dead white Europeans make academic that mixed in historical study with esoteric flimflam.
He had been surpassed and deboonked by later academics, read more up to date historians like Toynbee.
Spengler is on another level, a 170IQ who quoted hundreds of books from memory. You will never read anything like Spengler once you accept him as a mystic more than a philosopher
1000 pages of nonsense about numbers and souls and soil? No. You could read the entire Critique of Pure Reason in that time.
Looks like someone got filtered.
>1000 pages of nonsense about numbers and souls and soil?
>numbers, souls and soil
Clearly filtered.
This is how leftcucks react when they don't have their corporate owners censoring wrongthink. If this discussion were in person they'd start shrieking like the spoiled little babies you see at the abortion rallies.
>Soingler
>Wrongthink
Lmao. Kissinger and Bill Gates have both cited him as one of their favourite authors. But please, deny that, keep your fantasy that you’re some “dissident” guerrilla, opposed on all sides while fighting against modernity.
>Kissinger and Bill Gates have both cited him as one of their favourite authors
So? They are intelligent men. Please show me where as well, that sounds interesting. Again, your posts are extremely low tier, you seem more interested in directing people away from great, truly right wing thinkers.
>le lmao
You're like a child.
Because he’s not “wrong think” if he’s endorsed by “the system” as you see it.
Stop trying to sound intelligent, it’s just embarrassing.
HAHAHAHAHA!
How is he endorsed by the system? Where are Bill Gates and the israelite Kissinger shilling aristocratic right wing worldviews? They aren't, they are endorsing the polar opposite, you complete dumbass.
>Stop trying to sound intelligent, it’s just embarrassing
Quite rich coming from you. I'm writing normally, you're probably just stupid and read garbage.
Also, post the source to back up your claims, you still have a chance to regain some lost dignity!
>source? Source?
Back 2 Reddit
You tried.
Kissinger and Bill Gates read Spengler as a How-To manual, not as a warning of how to avoid the Caesarism and subsequent decline.
there's a difference.
If Spengler is write it wouldn’t matter who reads him because he’s not prescriptive. He just thinks these things will happen regardless.
>while fighting against modernity.
Bruh. We live in postmodernity.
We live in hypermodernity chud
I agree. The title is dope, but the actual theory isn't that great and the writing is inelegant. If you want to read right wing philosophy, read Jünger instead. If you're into monumental historical works, read Mommsen or Osterhammel.
Make a single substantive criticism of his theory beyond "it's not that great".
No
Russia is a shithole. Asians dominate modern mathematics, even the ones raised outside of the west. The 'west' is culturally dead but still dominant.
What do you think Spengler actually believes?
I have read Spengler. Given your response, I presume you have not.
Please read the authors you intend to shitpost about.
I don't think you have, I think all you know is some infographic you read that was in all likelihood itself the creation of second-hand knowledge. What does this
>Russia is a shithole.
have anything to do with Spengler? What do you think he said about Russia you blathering moron? Spengler's conception of Russian culture was as a fundamentally agrarian people, ie resource extraction. Western obsessions with money and conceptions of economics, both capitalist and communist, are fundamentally foreign to the Russian spirit. This includes industrialization, which ultimately is at odds with the Russian spirit and at best will just be tolerated. Russia has and always will be a land of rural resource extraction dotted with market towns. Does that sound like a prediction of some kind of Westernized 21st century utopia? I'm not even going to try to unravel what your Asian comment means. Your last sentence doesn't contradict Spengler at all, if anything it's very Spenglerian. Western culture has been dead for a couple centuries, but the civilization that remains will continue to excel in technics and impose itself on the world as imperium.
>dead silence
lol, dang, did you call it or what
What he posted doesn't even make it sound like he read a good summary of the book, it's not even the meme version of Spengler it's just random shit that has nothing to do with him.
Damn you killed her.
Anyways. Is Spengler the next author to be shilled around here after Evola and Guenon? I see many threads about him lately. What gives?
he influenced them. Hes been here awhile
You haven't read him/or a moron. Probably both. I'm not going to put in any effort here btw.
He said that this would be the hightide of Russian culture. Whence? The only worthwhile culture it's produced had been in the 19th century. "That's western." Indeed it is, and it's very good; where is the native stuff? "We are not Russian and thus can't tell." Then how can the Russians produce western art? "Because they've a western education." Like the ones Russians have today? Why do we not see Russians pushing down our throat these marvelous new works? Glorying in the cultural ascendancy?
You didn't contest my Asian claim, I presume that means you don't understand the changing demographics of higher level mathematics. To dumb it down for you: it used to be whites and israelites, now it is in large part, perhaps a large majority, Asian. How does this fit into the schema? Remembering to take my initial comment into account.
Technics define domination. People with guns don't lose to those without them. Spengler says (I'd ask you to recall it but you've not read the book) that efficacy defines the use of technics. Why, then, is there anything that would dethrone the west, if it's so preeminent in technology? Why is it that everyone else is desperately rushing to catch them?
Spengler's a fine influence, but he's wrong. Accepting that is the first stage to recovery from modern-day Aristotleanism.
The relationship between Russia and the West is already the same as the one that existed between Parthia and Rome. Rome was never able to rid itself of its eastern enemy and even began to adopt its cults, allowing the east to conquer it from the inside out. Russia has been an enemy of the West since Lenin. The war in Ukraine is just another episode in a general Russian war on the West that will probably extend centuries into the future, as it did between Rome and Parthia.
The art of a primitive people is always religious in nature. The history of artistic development is the concretization of ideas that were originally purely ideal or spiritual. Spengler himself noted this, that the birth of a new civilization is characterized by great religious building like the Gothic cathedrals and the Egyptian pyramids. What is the significance of the uniquely Russian church architecture? We cannot know yet because it is still in its early stage of development.
Note I'm not agreeing with Spengler about Russia, just speculating. He was convinced it is a new civilization, but realistically this would be impossible to prove for at least another century or two.
No he said that it would be in its epoch in 2000. This is like saying "Alright, Dante, but we can't predict the future of western art from that." Russian Dante whence?
You HAVE read the book but are simply a moron. Read slowly:
Spengler is a relativist. Mathematics is the purest science existent. If non-faustian men can understand and advance faustian-Mathematics it is not relative. If it is not relative that the technics it produces are not limited to a civ's type but are universal and based on efficacy.
A malformed civ must still provide its own distinctive and worthwhile elements. If foreign interference can prevent this, then one civ can remain dominant.
There is no aspect of Chinese civilisation that has not undergone a western metamorphosis, be it maths culture or state structure. The Chinese adopt western methods because they are universally superior. They are universally superior because they are not based on relativistic mathematics.
That's two (you)s you've got out of me, friend; no more!
Also: have a nice day. You are a genuine idiot and don't understand the influences under which Spengler reacted to and was informed by.
This is the dumbest reading of Spengler I've ever seen. Especially the "Asians dominate math today" and what does this moronic notion have to do with anything in the book. They dominate it because their education and habits are focused entirely around it (unlike in here where we try our best to make math seem racist or whateverthefrick), it's in their Culture, all of which (Chinese, Indian, Magian) have their own highly elaborate distinct tradition of mathematics, separate from the West. This is all talked about in the book and has nothing to do with anything of what you are trying to blabber about. Nothing of this entire point makes any criticism of Spengler since you obviously have no fricking idea of the content of the book.
Technics is the way an organism lives, it's so metaphysically indebted to nature that there's basically no difference from it. Thus every Culture has a different relationship to technics and how technics affect it, since every Culture is a different organism with a different perception of nature itself, thus technics. Faustian Civilization is doomed exactly because its symbiosis with the infinite will eventually transform their entire world into a technological macrocosmic sphere, where man himself is lost. Meanwhile, say the Magians, or the Russians, or the Chinese, who have an entirely distinct idea of this same relationship will experience a different direction with it, as you can already fricking notice and would have noticed if you grasped a single word of the book or read a single history source to interpret its points and worldview. Dethroning the Faustian in this sense will imply dominating with a more successful fusion between technology and man, as in, say, the Chinese slowly trasnforming their state into a technic Tao, where each thing and everything flows according to an otherwordly machinic plan, mirroring the way nature moves with the Tao in an unbeknownst fashion. Everyone is "catching up", exactly because Faustian Civilization was in its climactic existence and was experiencing its golden age, but now this Culture is in its terminal decline, which allows for others (Russia, China, India, Iran, whatever) to develop on their own, separately.
Russian culture hasn't yet experienced its own metaphyscial expression, because it has existed constantly under a damaging pseudomorphosis. Again, something you would've been perfectly aware of if you actually read the book and understood a single thing out of it. It has been under the gaze of a constant Western yoke, especially under bolshevism, which is completely foreign to the Russian people and has dramatically changed their course of life. And yet there are obvious instances of purely Russian art and thinking that are even currently being developed - you can trace this development as far back as the Cosmists, composers such as Mussorgsky or Borodin, writers such as Dostoyevsky or Chekhov, the russian architecture itself.
Read homie, read
you’ve never read him have you?
>Jünger
>anarchist
>druggie
I'll pass
An analysis of history isn’t “right wing philosophy”
Oi vey!
Better still, you could read the entire Culture of Critique in that time!
He's pretty in English like Schopenhauer and Jung so actually a pleasure to read. He's both loved and loathed so yes, he's worth it, but more for certain insights than for his theory, in this respect like Hegel.
Some of his stuffs was alright but most of the time you might agree with him.
Nope
Ignore the rightoid pseuds
filtered?
Soingler was a literal cuckold. Read his collected letters from 1932
Lurkers will note that you have no arguments, only childish insults and presumably react in this way simply because he is on the "wrong" side of the political spectrum. Idiots like you are the cancer ruining this board.
Yes he is
Btw I’m trans!
it's got great insights on why city liberals are so insufferable and why they keep getting btfo by "redneck rural idiots" time and time again throughout history.
Endless golden quotes on those freaks by the great man
Honestly, no because if you go into the book hoping to find some answers about “what to do” the answers he gives seem scarcely realizable and probably will remain that way for at least our lifetime even if he’s right. Spengler was a catharsis turned black pill for me for that reason.
Very worth it.
No
Karl Ove likes him so I might give him a read.
Why are we still discussing this book?
Spengler is a dusty dead white Europeans make academic that mixed in historical study with esoteric flimflam.
He had been surpassed and deboonked by later academics, read more up to date historians like Toynbee.
Ofcoure he is. Hes the endgame.
>worth it
read the fricking book, it's not like you'll need to quit your day job
Spengler is on another level, a 170IQ who quoted hundreds of books from memory. You will never read anything like Spengler once you accept him as a mystic more than a philosopher