>The Cucuteni–Trypillia culture, also known as the Cucuteni culture or the Trypillia culture, is a Neolithic–Chalcolithic archaeological culture (c. 5500 to 2750 BC) of Southeast Europe.
Considering that agriculture emerged around 10,000 BC, no they're not. They must've had some interaction/breeding with Anatolian farmers that migrated into Europe and spread agriculture.
Agriculture predates civilization by 5000 years moron lol
It spread around long before and is separate from the argument of complex struxtured societies, writing etc.
Civilization in Mesopotamia sprung like 7000 years after agriculture
Polygynic anarchy. Seems to be what tolkien based the rangers off of. >tfw i will never get to hunt beasts and subhumans with my numenorean bros then returning to cities full of prime white pussy to enjoy our own personal 20 gfs
No but Crete was an barely ever gets mentioned as one. I like one single ~~*academic*~~ provide convincing sources that the minoans were at all influenced by egypt and the near east at least in any meaningful way.
>I like one single ~~*academic*~~ provide convincing sources that the minoans were at all influenced by egypt and the near east at least in any meaningful wa
agreed, I believe they were mostly independent.
>Their religion was literally based on the egyptian one, though.
No it wasn't anon...
They are very very different lol. Wtf...
Even just broadly speaking The ancient Egyptians top gods of the pantheon were all male where as the top god of the Minoan pantheon is female.
And they look very different. etc...
2 months ago
Anonymous
Can you please tell me those differences, then?
If they are, so different, you probably could do that, right?
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Even just broadly speaking The ancient Egyptians top gods of the pantheon were all male where as the top god of the Minoan pantheon is female.
Nope.
They had the same "solar trinity".
You just made up the, "Egyptian religion mostly male while minoan religion mostly female" thing, without any evidence.
Two Pathological liars and psychopaths caught in the wild...
"It is generally agreed that the dominant figure in Minoan religion was a goddess, with whom a younger male figure, perhaps a consort or son, is often associated, usually in contexts suggesting that the male figure is a worshipper."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_religion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_snake_goddess_figurines
As for Ancient Egypt all the most powerful gods are male Amun, Osiris, Ra, Horus, Anubis, Thoth etc...
2 months ago
Anonymous
Isis is among the most powerful gods.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Even just broadly speaking The ancient Egyptians top gods of the pantheon were all male where as the top god of the Minoan pantheon is female.
Nope.
They had the same "solar trinity".
You just made up the, "Egyptian religion mostly male while minoan religion mostly female" thing, without any evidence.
The entire eastern mediterranean was in contact with egyptians and mesopotamians for at least a millennium before the Minoans arose. Crete was in the middle of the influence spheres of both great civilizations.
Even if their institutions were created independently from the others, it's nonsensical to expect the minoans were completely isolated from other civilizations and came up with the whole concept of civilization by themselves.
>it's nonsensical to expect the minoans were completely isolated from other civilizations and came up with the whole concept of civilization by themselves.
They were literally stuck on an Island and Initiated contact with other civilizations when they already had one.
Civilization isn't a concept you have to "learn". It will always eventually form as a byproduct of higher average intelligence.
The wheel was invented independently at least three times, counting notation systems were invented independently over ten times, True alphabets at least two times, logograms many more times.
Public roads etc...
Like I don't know what to even say to you.
Dude, where do you think Crete is?
It's literally the island closest to Egypt along with Cyprus.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Dude, where do you think Crete is? >It's literally the island closest to Egypt along with Cyprus
The closest major Island to Egypt is Cyprus.
Crete is closer to Athens...
People didn't have planes or diesel ships thousands of years ago...
2 months ago
Anonymous
>He thinks people couldn't be traveling around by boat just a few hundred kilometers in the bronze age.
Yeah, you don't know what you are talking about.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>>He thinks people couldn't be traveling around by boat just a few hundred kilometers in the bronze age. >Yeah, you don't know what you are talking about.
Lol, you're the only who's ever said that.
Travelling hundreds of kilometers by boat in the bronze age isn't something everyone could do, it isn't something a non-civilization could do, it is an impressive thing for a smallish Island to do with limited resources.
To establish regular voyages to the mainland you had to already be a highly organized, literate, have communal buildings and knowledge specialists who never had to farm. So in other words, civilization.
2 months ago
Anonymous
You really seems to conflate the idea between "craddle of civilization" and "civilization". Nobody here is claiming Minoans aren't a civilization, but just not a civilization that was formed without previous influence.
Also, you don't need organized civilization for boat travels. People around the Mediterranean were in contact with one another during the Neolithic. The entire Aegean Sea was filled with different maritime cultures by 2500 BC.
My point is that phoenicians, egyptians and mesopotamians were already in contact with pre-Minoan Crete for a long time. There's nothing seemingly impossible about that. Minoans weren't in such an isolated place as you claim they were.
2 months ago
Anonymous
> phoenicians
Phoenicians came up with their alphabet around 1000 BC, and with Byblos Linear around 1500 BC, Minoans came up with their own writing systems (Minoan hieroglyphs and Linear A) around 1900 BC
2 months ago
Anonymous
Regardless of alphabets ancient semites were already sailing the Mediterranean by that point.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>it isn't something a non-civilization could do
Meanwhile random Neolithic Stentinello Sicilians settled Lampedusa which is 300 km from Sicily across the open sea, to cite one example, or Neolithic South Iberians got their amber from Sicily, around 2000 km of distance, to cite another example
Still... I don't think Crete got "civilized" by Egypt in any meaningful sense
2 months ago
Anonymous
>just a few hundred kilometers
The shortest physically possible route from Crete to Alexandria is 650 Kilometers...
>In general Balkan Neolithic cultures and their surroundings were an offshot of the Aegean Neolithic cradle.
That doesn't make any sense given the dates...
>Isis is among the most powerful gods.
She's known for resurrecting her Husband Osiris who is higher ranking than her...
She is comparable to Hera simply being the wife of Zeus.
She was considred mother of the pharaoh. Horus was her son. Hera wasn't treated like this in ancient Greece.
Before her there was Hathor and she was equally important. And in Mesopotamia there was Inanna/Ishtar, also powerful goddesses.
>She was considred mother of the pharaoh
"The pharaoh was associated with many specific deities. He was identified directly with Horus, who represented kingship itself and was seen as a protector of the pharaoh"
>The Cucuteni–Trypillia culture, also known as the Cucuteni culture or the Trypillia culture, is a Neolithic–Chalcolithic archaeological culture (c. 5500 to 2750 BC) of Southeast Europe.
Considering that agriculture emerged around 10,000 BC, no they're not. They must've had some interaction/breeding with Anatolian farmers that migrated into Europe and spread agriculture.
No culture in Europe is a cradle of civilization.
no, that would be kosovo
also dont listen to this moron
moron
Agriculture predates civilization by 5000 years moron lol
It spread around long before and is separate from the argument of complex struxtured societies, writing etc.
Civilization in Mesopotamia sprung like 7000 years after agriculture
Dumbass lol
Yes, and it was probably all one culture married with the Vinca-Varna.
They did nothing, so no
>was culture a civilisation
No, it’s a culture. Says right theee, moron
No because Greek civilization is clearly a derivation of mesopotamian one.
Polygynic anarchy. Seems to be what tolkien based the rangers off of.
>tfw i will never get to hunt beasts and subhumans with my numenorean bros then returning to cities full of prime white pussy to enjoy our own personal 20 gfs
No but Crete was an barely ever gets mentioned as one. I like one single ~~*academic*~~ provide convincing sources that the minoans were at all influenced by egypt and the near east at least in any meaningful way.
>I like one single ~~*academic*~~ provide convincing sources that the minoans were at all influenced by egypt and the near east at least in any meaningful wa
agreed, I believe they were mostly independent.
Their religion was literally based on the egyptian one, though.
>Their religion was literally based on the egyptian one, though.
No it wasn't anon...
They are very very different lol. Wtf...
Even just broadly speaking The ancient Egyptians top gods of the pantheon were all male where as the top god of the Minoan pantheon is female.
And they look very different. etc...
Can you please tell me those differences, then?
If they are, so different, you probably could do that, right?
Two Pathological liars and psychopaths caught in the wild...
"It is generally agreed that the dominant figure in Minoan religion was a goddess, with whom a younger male figure, perhaps a consort or son, is often associated, usually in contexts suggesting that the male figure is a worshipper."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_religion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_snake_goddess_figurines
As for Ancient Egypt all the most powerful gods are male Amun, Osiris, Ra, Horus, Anubis, Thoth etc...
Isis is among the most powerful gods.
>Even just broadly speaking The ancient Egyptians top gods of the pantheon were all male where as the top god of the Minoan pantheon is female.
Nope.
They had the same "solar trinity".
You just made up the, "Egyptian religion mostly male while minoan religion mostly female" thing, without any evidence.
The entire eastern mediterranean was in contact with egyptians and mesopotamians for at least a millennium before the Minoans arose. Crete was in the middle of the influence spheres of both great civilizations.
Even if their institutions were created independently from the others, it's nonsensical to expect the minoans were completely isolated from other civilizations and came up with the whole concept of civilization by themselves.
>it's nonsensical to expect the minoans were completely isolated from other civilizations and came up with the whole concept of civilization by themselves.
They were literally stuck on an Island and Initiated contact with other civilizations when they already had one.
Civilization isn't a concept you have to "learn". It will always eventually form as a byproduct of higher average intelligence.
The wheel was invented independently at least three times, counting notation systems were invented independently over ten times, True alphabets at least two times, logograms many more times.
Public roads etc...
Like I don't know what to even say to you.
Dude, where do you think Crete is?
It's literally the island closest to Egypt along with Cyprus.
>Dude, where do you think Crete is?
>It's literally the island closest to Egypt along with Cyprus
The closest major Island to Egypt is Cyprus.
Crete is closer to Athens...
People didn't have planes or diesel ships thousands of years ago...
>He thinks people couldn't be traveling around by boat just a few hundred kilometers in the bronze age.
Yeah, you don't know what you are talking about.
>>He thinks people couldn't be traveling around by boat just a few hundred kilometers in the bronze age.
>Yeah, you don't know what you are talking about.
Lol, you're the only who's ever said that.
Travelling hundreds of kilometers by boat in the bronze age isn't something everyone could do, it isn't something a non-civilization could do, it is an impressive thing for a smallish Island to do with limited resources.
To establish regular voyages to the mainland you had to already be a highly organized, literate, have communal buildings and knowledge specialists who never had to farm. So in other words, civilization.
You really seems to conflate the idea between "craddle of civilization" and "civilization". Nobody here is claiming Minoans aren't a civilization, but just not a civilization that was formed without previous influence.
Also, you don't need organized civilization for boat travels. People around the Mediterranean were in contact with one another during the Neolithic. The entire Aegean Sea was filled with different maritime cultures by 2500 BC.
My point is that phoenicians, egyptians and mesopotamians were already in contact with pre-Minoan Crete for a long time. There's nothing seemingly impossible about that. Minoans weren't in such an isolated place as you claim they were.
> phoenicians
Phoenicians came up with their alphabet around 1000 BC, and with Byblos Linear around 1500 BC, Minoans came up with their own writing systems (Minoan hieroglyphs and Linear A) around 1900 BC
Regardless of alphabets ancient semites were already sailing the Mediterranean by that point.
>it isn't something a non-civilization could do
Meanwhile random Neolithic Stentinello Sicilians settled Lampedusa which is 300 km from Sicily across the open sea, to cite one example, or Neolithic South Iberians got their amber from Sicily, around 2000 km of distance, to cite another example
Still... I don't think Crete got "civilized" by Egypt in any meaningful sense
>just a few hundred kilometers
The shortest physically possible route from Crete to Alexandria is 650 Kilometers...
>https://essayfrolic.wordpress.com/2017/05/30/egyptian-influence-on-minoan-religion-and-culture/
In general Balkan Neolithic cultures and their surroundings were an offshot of the Aegean Neolithic cradle.
>In general Balkan Neolithic cultures and their surroundings were an offshot of the Aegean Neolithic cradle.
That doesn't make any sense given the dates...
Depends on what you define as civilization. Bell Beakers had more influence over European societal structures I’m sure.
>Isis is among the most powerful gods.
She's known for resurrecting her Husband Osiris who is higher ranking than her...
She is comparable to Hera simply being the wife of Zeus.
She was considred mother of the pharaoh. Horus was her son. Hera wasn't treated like this in ancient Greece.
Before her there was Hathor and she was equally important. And in Mesopotamia there was Inanna/Ishtar, also powerful goddesses.
>She was considred mother of the pharaoh
"The pharaoh was associated with many specific deities. He was identified directly with Horus, who represented kingship itself and was seen as a protector of the pharaoh"
>Inanna/Ishtar, also powerful goddesses.
Once again outranked by Marduk in Babylon and Enlil in Sumer.
>Is the Cucuteni-Trypillia culture a cradle of civilization?
Got raped by proto-mongolian yamnaya steppoids
>Got raped by proto-mongolian yamnaya steppoids
haplogroup autism and weird cuckold fetishism...