Is the Second Amendment the biggest mistake in American history?

Is the Second Amendment the biggest mistake in American history?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is the Balfour declaration the biggest mistake in British history?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No that would the decision to bring in a bunch of slaves

      Irrelevant document that was not even important to the creation of Israel, which itself was something that only israelites, Arabs, and leftists care about

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      No, that’s the Hart-Cellar act, tied with the Federal Reserve Act.

      Top 5

      >Politicians pass both lax and restrictive gun laws throughout the country for decades
      >Mass shootings still happen
      >Let's just pass one more law that doesn't prevent criminals from committing crimes, then we'll finally be at peace
      If it didn't work for the first 30 years what makes people think we'll get it right this time? It's clearly not the guns. Switzerland is proof of that.

      Iceland as well, pretty much everyone owns a gun and gun crime is virtually nonexistent.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Iceland as well, pretty much everyone owns a gun and gun crime is virtually nonexistent.
        You can own guns in Iceland?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yup.
          >https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna872726
          >https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/iceland
          >https://grapevine.is/news/2021/08/10/semi-automatic-firearm-imports-on-the-rise-in-iceland/
          >https://www.icelandreview.com/society/nearly-90000-firearms-in-iceland/
          >https://globalnews.ca/news/4236365/iceland-gun-control-violence/amp/
          Pretty cozy place
          guncontrol bros we lost...

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >No, that’s the Hart-Cellar act, tied with the Federal Reserve Act.
        aaaand /thread

        >tfw there is no hope

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >No, that’s the Hart-Cellar act, tied with the Federal Reserve Act.
        aaaand /thread

        >tfw there is no hope

        How much money do you need to escape this shit.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Madison and co. had no way of knowing thousands of micro penis-toting degenerate homosexuals would greenlight kids being shot for the sake of their stamp-collecting tier autistic hobby, so no

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      ya frick the cia

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        This anon knows who the real culprits are. And they glow.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >2017
    In 5 years the numbers have changed, haven't you heard? Therefore we need to re-write the Constitution. lol

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    [...]
    >2017
    In 5 years the numbers have changed, haven't you heard? Therefore we need to re-write the Constitution. lol

    t. has a micro-penis

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      cry harder homosexual

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Americans viciously defending a liberal document written by liberals b***hing about liberals
        Kek

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Modern liberals aren't liberals. They're socialists. For the US at least they name change came after FDR convinced everyone government spending was true freedom

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >convinced everyone government spending was true freedom
            Yeah, real freedom is sucking financial banking's dick and letting the CIA run rampant worldwide, just like Reagan said!

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Modern liberals aren't liberals. They're socialists
            >socialism was invented when Obama became President
            Smartest American.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            was invented when Obama became President
            if you read the entirety of the post it says exactly when socialism became liberalism, under FDR

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Modern liberals aren't liberals. They're socialists.

            was invented when Obama became President
            if you read the entirety of the post it says exactly when socialism became liberalism, under FDR

            >socialism became liberalism
            amerifat moment

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            What's with the american habit to hide behind the rest of the world on every question possible? I guarantee you my ID card doesn't stipulate I have to whiteknight soshulism on 4chinz

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It's not even about defending socialism, it's about having a basic understanding of what socialism is. You morons really think liberals who want a capitalist society with a welfare state are somehow socialist. It's the amerifat education system at its finest.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I do not care. That does not make me american. Get new material.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Being politically moronic and unashamed to loudly broadcast it does in fact make you an amerifat.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            says the welfare queen

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            If you want to make your ad hominen Jose you'll have to make it fit. Simply repeating whatever bullshit your zoomer peers want you to believe does not cut it.
            In my country socialism could've meant as much saint-simonianism, as cooperativism, as solidarism, as communism and anarchism. And from my knowledge of other neighboring nations, which I doubt you have a speck of despite your feigned over-americanism, they had equivalents to that.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            became liberalism
            Yes, FDR coined the term liberalism for the support of socialist government policies

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >In 1815, the first use of the word "liberalism" appeared in English.
            amerifat moment

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            correct

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >everyone I don't like is a socialist
            0/10
            Ask any genuine socialist their opinion on liberals.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            All socialists are liberals and so are communists

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Liberalism is founded on individual rights and freedoms; socialism and communism are collectivist ideologies. You're moronic mate.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            there are two branches of socialism. socialism existed before marx, but it's no less destructive

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Even the very earliest forms of socialism deliberately contrasted with liberal ideas of individualism.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            so is modern leftism, not exactly seeing your point

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >not exactly seeing your point
            Because your education system has utterly failed you, and your political system is operated and explained by people who count on your stupidity to get easy votes.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Can you bridge the gap? Or do you not have a point

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Liberalism is founded on whig history and the right of homosexual commoners to rule. Especially enticing to israelites. Communism is a subset of liberalism. Marx lifted everything from those enlightement homos and from Adam Smith and Feuerbach who were as libtard as it gets.

            >muh linear progress measured in shit you can cram down your maw
            >society gets better because number goes up
            >all of humanity can be boiled down to economic relations
            >value is created by labor
            >monarchy bad, borders bad, feudalism bad, patriarchy bad, secularism good
            The only thing these homosexuals disagree with communists on is who gets to own the factories

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Communism is a subset of liberalism
            Nope. Communism is a subset of socialism, which has been in contrast with liberalism since the beginning. It was presented from the start as an alternative political school of thought to liberal individualism.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            was it?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yes.

            Individualism vs collectivism is Ben Shapiro tier moronic understanding of what you're talking sbout.

            Ben Shapiro is the exact sort of moron who would claim that liberals are socialists.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Okay so how are liberals not socialists? Or are you just going to give up again

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Okay so how are liberals not socialists?
            This is already been explained to you. On the most fundamental level, liberalism advocates individualism, while socialism arose as an alternative to liberalism which instead advocated collectivism. Liberalism would go on to promote things like the market economy, private property and capitalism, while socialism would proceed to insist upon collective ownership, the abolition of the free market which naturally creates unequal societies.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >This is already been explained to you
            no, you went on a semantic tangent and then gave up

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            No, it was explained to you and you're choosing to ignore it. Your confusion stems from the fact that your education system is terrible, and your politicians count on their constituents being moronic. Only in America does it make any sense at all to anyone that one politician will call another politician a communist because they want to keep the free market and private property intact but use taxes to fund a healthcare system. This bizarre scenario is normal to you. Your stubborn insistence on avoiding the truth and preferring your own ignorance is distinctly American.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >it was explained to you
            No, it wasn't. All you said is "socialists don't like individualism". Then I said "well, neither to the people we call liberals." Then you gave up

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            If he had done the reading instead of spending time boasting online he'd know that liberalism's logic was perfectly assimilated with early socialists. The abolition of property was talked about like the next logical step after feudal dues and tolls. They were only chastising them because they were not going all the way.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            bruh you've fallen so far into the rabbit hole you can't diffrentiate between the american meaning of liberal and the real meaning.

            Ben shapiro would claim himself to be a Liberal in the classical definition of it, he often refers to himself as libertarian on issues and proceeds to argue according to englightenment age ideals. He will also say that American "liberals" are socialist because of their wish to expand government ownership and welfare spending.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            He knows, it's LBJgay, he wants to rope you into a semantic argument to try and piss you off

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >you can't diffrentiate between the american meaning of liberal
            I absolutely do not care about the latest nonsensical and inconsistent "american definition" of a political philosophy that was firmly established long ago. If you fat morons decided tomorrow that you were changing the definition of a triangle to mean a six-sided polygon because your inane politicians said so, that would mean nothing.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >latest nonsensical and inconsistent "american definition"
            >nearly 100 years old
            braindead

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            YWNBAW

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            okay LBJgay

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >flees when faced with "non-american" definition
            You're just a little b***h is all

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Individualism vs collectivism is Ben Shapiro tier moronic understanding of what you're talking sbout.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >incessant need to bring up gun owner's penises

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >You might have working firearms, but I'm thinking about your wiener. Looks like I win again, rightoids.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        he's not wrong though. you likely have a tiny dick.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >behold the power of gun grabber logic

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yes.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Holy rent free

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No, it is its greatest moment and a ray of hope for all of us who suffer tyranny here in Europe and elsewhere.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No. The mistake was the wording because now we have a debate between individualism and collectivism. Pennsylvania did it right.

    XIII. That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the state; and as standing armies in the time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; And that the military should be kept under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power. -- https://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/pa08.asp

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      SCOTUS did rule that it's an individual right. The wording made more sense in the 18th century.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I agree that it's an individual right and yes, the SCOTUS made it clear in the 2008 Heller decision, but it was a 5-4 decision and many people will still argue that the Founders considered it to be a collective right. They tend to hyper-fixate on the well-regulated militia bit. I don't know how else to put sense into these people. Even the askhistorians reddit says that the 2A protects the individual right.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Heller was a catastrophe because they ruled the 2A is about self defense. It obviously isn't

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That may be true, but I think if you ask most Americans, they'll say gun ownership is for a few reasons: self-defense, hunting, and competition shooting. No one cares about militias anymore and the National Guard has evolved into another reserve component of the military.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            people would care if they were educated. Liberals today shit their pants in rage because some shitheads in a flyover state do something they don't like when in reality its none of their fricking business.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            People shitting their pants in rage because someone somewhere else is doing something they don't like is pretty universal

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            it shouldn't be in the US because people aren't educated

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >the right of the PEOPLE
          That’s the words that BTFO any and all gun grabber arguments and they are starting to realize it which is why some are just dropping all pretense and calling for the 2A to be a abolished

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Literally diagramming sentences
        autism

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          When morons can't understand English you have little other choice.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong lmao. People aren't slaves of the state. The 2nd amentment got it right. People should be able to keep a working gun in their homes for defense as necessary against the tyranny of the government, the state and such. Federal government is ofcourse free to have a military on its own as we need it to protect the borders and such, but it is individuals right to defend against the tyranny of the state with guns.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      so we need to get rid of the mexicans

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >so we need to get rid of the mexicans

        Yes

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Guns are common in switzerland because they have mandatory military service and allow people to keep their guns if they do regular license renewals. Getting ammo is definitely not easy there. So I wouldn't say availability is high. Meanwhile in mexico, they can just smuggle guns in from the us. cartels have a frick ton of guns. Its very available for them.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Alito is such a fricking b***h even when I agree with him

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Politicians pass both lax and restrictive gun laws throughout the country for decades
    >Mass shootings still happen
    >Let's just pass one more law that doesn't prevent criminals from committing crimes, then we'll finally be at peace
    If it didn't work for the first 30 years what makes people think we'll get it right this time? It's clearly not the guns. Switzerland is proof of that.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >It's clearly not the guns.
      You're right
      It's the Americans with the guns. Americans have simply proven to be too stupid and mentally immature to own weapons, whereas the Swiss are actually intelligent and civilized

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I wonder what's the main difference between American and Swiss population. Almost like America is packed full of Black folk hispanics and the mentally ill

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Switzerland's population is 40% immigrants, and that includes moronic murderous Yugoslavs who can't go 5 minutes without trying to knife each other

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Immigrants from where? Look at the countries of origin you disingenuous homosexual. If you removed Black folk and beaners from America's gun crime stats we would have Western Europe tier gun violence rates

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >If you removed Black folk and beaners from America's gun crime stats we would have Western Europe tier gun violence rates
            How come Chile, which is just beaners and Haitians, has a lower homicide rate than the USA?
            How come Turkey, which is all brown, is safer too?
            Why is "white" Russia the most violent shithole in Europe, but "brown" France is safer?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Because Chile has one of the most corrupt law enforcement agencies in the world

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >How come Turkey, which is all brown, is safer too?
            Why is "white" Russia the most violent shithole in Europe, but "brown" France is safer

            Combination of genetics, culture, law enforcement strategies, availability of weapons, punitive vs rehabilitative justice systems, etc. All else being equal, more blacks = more crime

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Russia is the brownest country in Eastern Europe literally 20% muslim. It's not white ethnic Russians doing all the murder, compare murder rates in Russia to Hungary Slovakia Czechia

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >murderous Yugoslavs
            Murder rate in Croatia 1.0
            Murder rate in Shartistan 6.3

            Cope and seethe Black person

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The average Yugo today is a 50 year old woman. Go back about 30 years and take a look at how peaceful they were being.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >has to go back to literal wartime to find anything remotely comparable to American Black person cities in peacetime
            lol Black person

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You don't get to kill off all your violent people in one war and then next year go "aha, the murder rate is down now lol!" when they all sped up the process of killing each other earlier and there are scarcely any murderers left alive.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Endless shitskin cope
            >kill off all your violent people
            Prewar Yugo also had much lower murder rates than Zogland

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          There are parts of America with lots of Black folk and hispanics where the murder rate is below the national average.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >if you think men are stronger than women then explain this female bodybuilder!

            moronic Black person

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            We're not talking about a female bodybuilder, we're talking about entire big cities, I'm sorry you're so brain damaged. Yes, the fact that Raleigh has a fifth of the USA's murder rate while being chock full of Black folk objectively proves that Black folk aren't the problem, you can cope and seethe all you want about it.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >you can cope and seethe all you want about it.

            Crime has a stronger positive correlation with the amount of blacks in a city than education, poverty, or population density

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >muh correlation
            Irrelevant, New York has a shitton of Black folk and the murder rate is one of the lowest in the US, thus effectively proving that it's not about the Black folk.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >treat blacks like subhumans for generations
            >hurr why are they driven to commit crime
            i wonder

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yes they wouldn't be murderous if not for slavery and jim crow just look at Africa all peace and harmony

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Several African countries have lower murder rates than the US.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Because they don't have the resources and institutions that are equipped to faithfully report and investigate all instances of crime, which is why vigilante justice and lynchings are so much more common in Africa, especially out in the bush

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >they don't have the resources and institutions that are equipped to faithfully report and investigate all instances of crime
            Braindead take when you are perfectly willing to accept the crime rates in the countries that do report high murder rates, especially when the most broke ass African countries like the CAR are often the ones that report higher murder rates and yet somehow I'm supposed to believe that their numbers are more reliable than Ghana's or Cameroon's. The US is, in fact, more dangerous than some of the niggest places in the world.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds like deconstructionist leftist wank. Typical black night stuff

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >The US is, in fact, more dangerous than some of the niggest places in the world

            White americans or black americans are statistically more dangerous?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >White americans or black americans are statistically more dangerous?
            Here's the CDC data.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            once again, nogs are mostly killing each other in their containment zones. they aren't the ones lighting up schools and public places because they got bullied.
            >inb4 waukesha because it's the only example people can think of

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Braindead take when you are perfectly willing to accept the crime rates in the countries that do report high murder

            And you do the exact opposite Black person lover. If you think African shitholes have the resources and capability to accurately track and record their crime faithfully then you're naive as frick

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >And you do the exact opposite Black person lover.
            I don't, moron. I'm pretty sure that the Central African Republic is in fact a violent shithole just like they claim to be. The burden of proof for the claim that the safer countries are all lying lies squarely on you.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Here's a good place to start

            https://issafrica.org/iss-today/why-are-south-africans-underreporting-on-crime

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >south-africans
            South Africa doesn't claim to have lower murder rates than the US. What about Senegal? Rwanda? Benin? Ghana? Cameroon? Can you prove that the murder rate in each of these countries is substantially higher than in the US?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Can you prove anything in backwards black shitholes?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            https://allafrica.com/stories/202004090443.html

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I'm pretty sure CAR is a lot more violent than what they report

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >I was forced to loot that Nike outlet store and rape that woman because one of my ancestors had to sit in the back of the bus

            You morons dodge any and all responsibility harder than women do lmao

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Is the Second Amendment the biggest mistake in American history?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Dude stop dilating that much.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The foresight of our founding fathers to include the 2nd amendment in the bill of rights is without parallel.g8fy8

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >NSA spying citizens
      >CIA admitting it drugged people for mind control
      >Government lying to wage war abroad
      >Torture in Guantanamo Bay with no accountability for the torturers (torture itself being unconstitutional)
      2nd amendment tards will go on and on about "using guns to defend us from government tyranny" but they havent lifted a single finger yet kek

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The 2nd amendment is the only reason America hasn't devolved into anarchy yet.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It wouldn't be so bad if the "interpretation" of it wasn't so insane and willfully divergent.

    Somehow the idea of having an armed citizen militia as a check against government tyranny turned into a radicalist proposition of arm Black folk and the lowest IQ of whites to turn American cities into squalid, disorderly, and violent shitholes. Surely what the "founding fathers" rightfully envisioned as the best way to live.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No, the 13th and 19th Amendments are the biggest mistakes.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No

    The historical basis for any sort of Republic and/or democratic system has been one of a military regime. The founders were students of history and knew this.

    The Ancient Greek republics were ones where the hoplite class of heavy infantry fighting men would govern themselves in a military brotherhood rather than blindly obeying the orders of some king. Their leaders were military based, and they all made decisions by vote. Even in the more democratic Athens this system of only the bulk of the military class was in place. They allowed the rowers in their navy to vote, which set the standard that military participation would grant someone a say in the state.

    Even in the medieval era, it was the knights, the armed men who held political power. Thomas Jefferson was really into this, and pointed back to the Anglo Saxon Witan, the democratic council of military leaders who would meet to pick their next king. Or going back further to the ancient German Thing. The process were tribal leaders and their men would all meet, and importantly meet armed with their own personal swords, to make democratic decisions.

    This was known, and the founders, in order to establish their Yoeman republic, knew that armed men were the bedrock of any Republic worth its salt. This is also based on the 200 years of colonial militias looking after themselves. The birth of Jacksonianism and the Democratic Party was based on this as well because the argument was that the poor men of America deserved a voice specifically because of their militia service. This is also the reasoning behind Nixon lowering the voting age to 18.

    Even communist realize shit like this, and know that a republic can NOT exist unless the people who vote are also armed.

    But of course, modern democrats and liberals know dick about history or politics and want guns banned because blacks shoot up each other and “it’s scary!”

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >modern democrats and liberals know dick about history or politics and want guns banned
      If you actually listen to them, mist don't give a damn about this country's founding principles

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >But of course, modern democrats and liberals know dick about history or politics and want guns banned because blacks shoot up each other and “it’s scary!”
      The biggest recent bans on automatic rifles and the like were passed in the 60s by Republican governor Reagan. Precisely because Black Panthers were arming themselves.

      All of you electiontrannies need to go back.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Hughes amendment moron

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >m-Muh reagan banned guns
        Blow it out your ass. You know damn well the entire gun grabber movement is rooted in the DNC. Frick off

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No, that would be the slave trade.

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Nah, not even close.
    Second amendment is part of why we are great.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Well at the times guns were not so dangerous.
    We treat the constitution like the founding fathers were omniscient and what they said applied throughout history.
    Now we have guns that can kill tens of elementary schoolers per minute. I think even the most hardline of the founders would balk at how much damage the average citizen can do now.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Guess we need to ban the Internet because the first amendment didn't take into account people could reach millions of people per minute in the future.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Don't give them any ideas

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        When did the internet rip bullets into elementary schoolers?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          When IQfy was invented.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Wouldn't be an issue if the cops weren't cowards.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          /misc/ has literally become a criminal subculture and it only exists because of the internet. People have died, and for no reason other than the mere fact that /misc/ exists.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >presented with a cogent point
        >deflects with a moronic strawman
        does ANY fricking rightoid know how to argue?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          How is that deflection? It's a valid rebuttal. You can't say guns are more powerful today (Muskets -> AR15) than when the Bill of Rights was written therefore the 2A doesn't apply, anymore than saying mass communication is more powerful today (printing press -> Internet) than when the Bill of Rights was written therefore the 1A doesn't apply.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            2A in its current form is partially responsible for multiple mass shootings. 1A in its current form does allow for people to form hate groups, hate speech etc, but that's a minor percentage of how people use the Internet.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >but that's a minor percentage of how people use the Internet.
            If you're going with that argument, then even the 100 or so mass shootings the past few decades pales in comparison to the 100s of millions of law abiding gun owners.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I see what you're saying, but I don't think these are equivalents. Ability to own a gun properly carries much more responsibility than properly using the Internet. With great power comes great responsibility. It *is* too easy to get guns in a lot of states and it shouldn't be like that. And I say this as a gun owner. I think we all should be allowed to own them, but again, there's a lot of weight behind it. I don't think we're doing everything we can to make sure those buying them are sane individuals.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            what's your proposal?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Raise the minimum age required for gun ownership to 25 for starters. Our brains are still developing up until that time. Even though one is legally an adult at 18, they're far from a functioning one. They're still fricking kids. I realize this would bring up inconsistencies like they can join the military at 18, can buy tobacco/alcohol at 21 etc but oh well, it is what it is. Yes, America is different and we just need to account for it.

            As far as something like a mental health screening, I don't really know. I don't think anyone fricking knows. Doesn't the federal government already have procedures for doing this for when granting people security clearance? Maybe borrow something from that.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            > for starters
            predictable, bad faith gun grabbing innuendos. take your arbitrary age limit and go frick yourself.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >seething and ad hominems
            predictable, you propose changes and rightoids have a meltdown while offering nothing in return

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            oh did i hurt the wittle wibewals fee-fees?

            I don't need to offer you anything dumbass.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            oh did i hurt the wittle wibewals fee-fees?

            gonna cry? gonna piss your pants? maybe shit and cum?

            I have no need nor want to offer you anything.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >gets mad and shits xer pants when someone suggests solutions
            This is why the rest of the world laughs at you. I hope more bullied hispanics continue to massacre all your children.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Raise the minimum age required for gun ownership to 25 for starters.
            Then the draft, cigarattes, and alcohol purchases should all be raised to 25 as well. That's bullshit the government could send you to die in a war at 18 but you gotta wait 7 more years to exercise your constitutional rights.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I'm completely against that because delayed adulthood is probably one of the biggest mistakes in modern society. Maturity past puberty is probably like 20% biological and 80% learned. 25+ year old manchildren who have never been pressured to grow past teenagehood still act more like teenagers than sub-25 year olds who have been forced to take responsibility for their own lives.

            I wish the pro-gun lobby would stop being cowards and just admit "yeah there's no legislative solution to gun violence because 2A is ironclad, good fricking luck passing an amendment and good fricking luck confiscating firearms if you do (but you won't lol)".
            Then after beating this into liberal skulls we can stop chasing the myth of gun control and do something else about it or at least focus our attention elsewhere, holy shit.

            Gun violence wasn't nearly as much of a problem (especially the random shooting sprees that are statistically rare but people care far more about than the much more common Tyrone shooting Jaykwon for selling weed on his street corner type incidents) prior to around the 60's or so when probably the first modern mass shooting as we would recognize them happened at the University of Texas clocktower. despite even fully automatic weapons being easily available. Ever since then, and especially after Columbine, their frequency has exloded. I would chalk this up mostly to the media giving disaffected youth a way to get instant recognition and revenge on society if they go shoot some people as well as constantly reinforcing the idea that that is simply the thing one does when they are a disaffected youth with a grudge against the world. The decline of civic engagement and social capital is probably even more to blame because you don't become a mass shooter if you don't fall through the cracks and become a disaffected loner in the first place. This isn't really "mental health" so much as fixing a dysfunctional social environment which lacks community building with (enforced) engagement.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            If you can vote, shoot pornography, and die in a war at 18, you can own a gun.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >18 yo can be sent over to bumfrick Iraq with full auto M-16 and be blown to pieces by ISIS
            >24 yo can't own a semi-auto AR-15 because muh feel feels
            libtard logic at its finest

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Stupid lower caps poster

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Dems already actually believe this, you've seen people say shit like "it's a private company they can delete your account" right?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Based and Mirari Vos pilled

        Here We must include that harmful and never sufficiently denounced freedom to publish any writings whatever and disseminate them to the people, which some dare to demand and promote with so great a clamor. We are horrified to see what monstrous doctrines and prodigious errors are disseminated far and wide in countless books, pamphlets, and other writings which, though small in weight, are very great in malice. We are in tears at the abuse which proceeds from them over the face of the earth. Some are so carried away that they contentiously assert that the flock of errors arising from them is sufficiently compensated by the publication of some book which defends religion and truth. Every law condemns deliberately doing evil simply because there is some hope that good may result. Is there any sane man who would say poison ought to be distributed, sold publicly, stored, and even drunk because some antidote is available and those who use it may be snatched from death again and again?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Don't threaten commies with a good time

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Well at the times guns were not so dangerous.
      Not understanding the full dimensions of the freedom being given when it's written doesn't mean that you can change the interpretation later on the fly. This was literally in the supreme court ruling that legalized gay marriage, mind you:
      >The nature of injustice is that we may not always see it in our own times. The generations that wrote and ratified the Bill of Rights and the Fourteenth Amendment did not presume to know the extent of freedom in all of its dimensions, and so they entrusted to future generations a charter protecting the right of all persons to enjoy liberty as we learn its meaning. When new insight reveals discord between the Constitution’s central protections and a received legal stricture, a claim to liberty must be addressed.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >I do not trust the average citizen with their own basic rights
      Then you are the problem. Educate or uplift your fellow citizens, don't just take away their rights. They're rights, not privilages. They're not there for you to take them away when they make you uncomfortable. Instead you should get to know your neighbors and become more comfortable with them exercising the rights they were born with.

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No, allowing women to vote is.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >In a letter written February 25, 1825, Madison explained that the interstate commerce clause was primarily intended to forbid the states from erecting internal tariffs or trade barriers against one another, and it had not been meant as a positive power conferred on Congress. He acknowledged that the power vested in the Federal government to regulate overseas commerce was not necessarily the same, although it could easily be construed as such.

    >Congress and pliant judges have since the 20th century and particularly since the New Deal, allowed the commerce clause to be a blank check to regulate nearly anything the Federal government wishes to regulate, when in fact "commerce" in the 18th century use of the term referred primarily to the buying and selling of goods. This includes things such as public morals and vice activities, regulating manufacturing and agriculture, labor laws, wage laws, and more, capped off by the infamous Wickard vs Filburn ruling in 1941.

    >As Justice Clarence Thomas explained in his dissent to Raich vs Gonzalez, "...under the current interpretation of the commerce clause, Congress has no meaningful limits on its power."

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They probably thought the "WELL REGULATED" part was hard to miss.
    Ideally we'd have something like the Swiss wherein gun owners are actually trained soldiers whose arms are registered with the local army authorities and ammunition is kept at a local depot for defense. Instead we have individual LARPing rednecks who screech at the idea of having to follow orders from anyone and are entirely incapable of forming a genuine defense force capable of carrying out organized combat

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That's not what well regulated meant in 18th century vernacular. Well regulated meant highly functional, hence they were saying the benefit of individual rights to own firearms would have secondary effect of a strong militia.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >He doesn't know that 'Well Regulated' in older texts is almost always meant to mean 'ready for use at any moment', free of rust and wear, provided with shot, powder and whatever other supplies are required, and ideally also trained with

      Actually, its just hard for you to frame because you're used to looking through the world in a modern lens. Understand that the founding fathers saw most forms of government, including the one they were creating themselves as a potential enemy. The Fed was a necessary evil at the time, brought about by the necessities of fighting war with a voluntary tax base. (E.G. No tax base at all, because people don't voluntarily pay taxes)

      They understood that big entities like governments take power, money and liberty from the people. Whether they do this for good reasons or bad reasons is up for debate and depends on who you ask, but if you arm the people you give them the capacity to refuse, which is absolutely necessary to the voting process. If you give someone a decision, and voting 'no' can easily destroy their lives because the citizenship is powerless and the fed can just walk back their rights when they vote 'wrong', (E.G., You Voted Rayciss) then you really don't have a vote at all.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Are you morons trolling or genuinely this ignorant

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        He's not trolling. If you actually go back and read similar documents from the time period, that is actually what Well Regulated means in the vernacular of the 1700s-1800s.

        Words and phrases change meaning over time. You're looking at this through a modern lens, trying to bend the words of people who wrote them almost 250 years ago to a modern way of looking at guns. Is it really so surprising that their opinion was different from yours?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          What the frick are you babbling about Black person? I know full well what well regulated means

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Militia is supposed to be armed and ready for invaders and a tyrannical government
      > keep all ammo in large centralized locations controlled by the military

      is it possible to be this stupid?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Whatever, there should be citizens' militia and the state police is illegal.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The purpose of the 2nd amendment is to counter the need for any standing armies outside war time, America was founded upon individualism, not your collectivist statism trash.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      That's not what well regulated meant, tardo.

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why would it be the biggest mistake?

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    the 1st and 2nd Amendments are single greatest thing America has done as nation. no other country in the world has proper equivalent of those, they all have various restrictions on free speech.

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's the only thing they did right

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's about the only thing it does correctly.

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Most Americans don't really understand the origin, purpose, or point of 2A anyway or its basis in English common law.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Most of America are brown morons that can't finish highschool. That's not saying much

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Why don't you explain it then? Since you're clearly the local authority on it

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        it was derived from English statutes dating from the Middle Ages which were about people keeping things like a crossbow at home in the event the Scots would invade you or something.

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >thread about weapon ownership in the US
    >literally derails into racism

    Every time. This board fricking sucks and you losers are the reason.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Connect the dots. It's one particular in demographic in America that's making weapon ownership difficult to justify

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Because race is THE reason why America is a violent shithole. You're not interested in truth you just want to push a narrative.

        I didn't ask you fricking losers.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Don't post on a discussion board if you don't want discussion, bluegum

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You have to go back howbeit

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Because race is THE reason why America is a violent shithole. You're not interested in truth you just want to push a narrative.

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Don't post on a discussion board if you don't want discussion, bluegum

    lol

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Black person

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Americans need to read the Federalist papers.

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's really funny coming on here seeing rightoids cry and rage about gun control and feds showing up totheir houses, and on communist twittter you have the same thing.

    Commies support guns, if you're too stupid to understand that, use your fear of them.

    Communists support guns, so they can go kill you.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Commies support guns for commies only.
      >so they can go kill you
      Yeah. Also you'll never be a woman

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      doesn't matter, they're too fricking poor to afford one and have extremely low testosterone levels generally so will piss and shit their pants and run back into their mom's basement. Where they will stay and rot away whilst awaiting the revolution (never happening).

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >when he got his ass handed to him he simply ignored the post
    The absolute state of american larping zoomers

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I wish the pro-gun lobby would stop being cowards and just admit "yeah there's no legislative solution to gun violence because 2A is ironclad, good fricking luck passing an amendment and good fricking luck confiscating firearms if you do (but you won't lol)".
    Then after beating this into liberal skulls we can stop chasing the myth of gun control and do something else about it or at least focus our attention elsewhere, holy shit.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe heavily armed cops could be trained to actually go into a school instead of sitting around waiting for an hour? Just a thought.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      There is a solution to gun violence, kicking all the Black folk out

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Re-interpreting the Second Amendment like it's supposed to mean "Hicks are allowed to have 40 guns with zero oversight whatsoever" was the mistake. Enshrining it into the constitution that local militias beholden to the community are to keep order, as opposed to police forces loyal to the government, was a good idea.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >local militias
      The point of the second amendment had nothing to do with militias, it was clearly an individual right and the benefit of that individual right would also have a secondary effect of a well functioning militia. See

      SCOTUS did rule that it's an individual right. The wording made more sense in the 18th century.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Hicks are allowed to have 40 guns
      Why is this a bad thing again?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      And for anyone who still can't understand the grammar of the 2A, here it is with food.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The 2A says clear as day that the right of people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. That includes hicks whether you like it or not homosexual.

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Slavery was the biggest mistake in American history. Only the British crown is to blame for that. tbh

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This. Slavery was a bad idea no matter how you spin it. Should have just used irish indentured servants

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >he believes the libtard reporting on brexit

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    the fricking seethe from the amerimutts daily reminder 56% bros but im sure you guys can totally regain your country from the Black folk and mexcians good luck on that lol

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: seething noguns yuroahmeds

  40. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    No, the 19th Amendment is

  41. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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