Recent studies indicate a significant inflow of mainland French inflow post Norman conquest, that is, beyond just the nobility.
Why is it that SW french are close to spaniards and not the other way around? Same with SE with Italians, NE with Germans.
Nobody says that NE Spanish are “French-Like”. Same with NW Italians and SW Germans.
You are correct. Historically the Basque core was in the territory of mainland France, same for Catalan (Occitan).
>Historically the Basque core was in the territory of mainland France
Vascones have always been Iberians and Aquitanians do differ slightly from Basques.
Basque ressemble more Iron Age Iberians than they do those populations >same for Catalan (Occitan).
Haitian speak a French derived language does that make them French?
You are moronic and you make the amateur mistake of cofounding language and genetic makeup
Why is it that SW french are close to spaniards and not the other way around? Same with SE with Italians, NE with Germans.
Nobody says that NE Spanish are “French-Like”. Same with NW Italians and SW Germans.
The Longobards moved wholesale to the Pavia and all around it and stayed there for good. I would say modern Lombards, Piemontesi, Venetian, etc have a significant amount of German ancestry. There were other Germanic peoples who came to Italy as conquerors/soldiers/mercenaries, but the most significant are the Ostrogoths and Longobards, both based in the north of the peninsula.
The Longobards moved wholesale to the Pavia and all around it and stayed there for good. I would say modern Lombards, Piemontesi, Venetian, etc have a significant amount of German ancestry. There were other Germanic peoples who came to Italy as conquerors/soldiers/mercenaries, but the most significant are the Ostrogoths and Longobards, both based in the north of the peninsula.
This thread was about genetics from OP
Btw facts don't care about your feeling
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Anonymous
Yeah I'm sure there is a vast genetic differences between peoples living right next to each other. please post numbers with 20 decimal places to prove me wrong.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
There's a massive difference between Ukrainians and Anatolians and even more between Iberians and Nafris so yes???
Not my fault if you can understand basic stuff
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
If you can't*
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, because this is a threat about anatolians and ukrainians, jesus fricking christ you really are an autist.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nta but you’re a moron for not getting his point.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yeah you wanna tell me Brittany and Normandy are the same distance apart as Crimea and Gallipoli?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You are the one who’s assuming genetic similarities are always 1:1 with closeness in territory, which just isn’t true.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
I didn't say 'closeness,' because that's relativistic and imprecise like you could say the moon is 'close' to earth, I said right next to each other.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You really are an expert at moving goalposts holy shit. Also “closeness” wasn’t the wrong term at all. Wtf?
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Is this one of those 'admission as accusation' things? I said something specific, you claimed I said something vague. And now you pettifog even further by completely abandoning the argument and want to debate about the debate itself. What a useless waste of time you are.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Okay I’ll spoon feed it to you as if I would to a moronic pseudointelectual baby: >Yeah I'm sure there is a vast genetic differences between peoples living right next to each other.
Here you already started by arguing with a couple fallacies, the anon simply posted an image, you made the assumption that he meant that N Italians were vastly different from Germans, yet he did not say that and his own image literally shows that they are in fact close. However, his post implied that, since Portuguese are closer to Austrians and Swiss Germans than N Italians, the latter are in fact Italian, and NOT German. As he replied to a post that claimed they were German, that was the intention of his post, which you misinterpreted.
The second fallacy was that your sentence is simply a lie. As he pointed out in his reply, “There's a massive difference between Ukrainians and Anatolians and even more between Iberians and Nafris”, and these are populations who are right next to each other, but are vastly different genetically. Unlike what you claim. >Yes, because this is a threat about anatolians and ukrainians
This was your reply to that. Failing to realize that he used those examples as an argument to disprove YOUR fallacy, NOT him pretending the thread was about that. This is really obvious, I really can’t tell if you are dismissing this because you’re disingenuous or just dumb, but you’re one or the other, maybe both. >Yeah you wanna tell me Brittany and Normandy are the same distance apart as Crimea and Gallipoli?
Here you are misreading my argument (nothing new), kinda tired of you so I’ll just say: Red Herring, Moving Goalposts, (very weak) Strawman. >you claimed I said something vague
This one is not even a fallacy, it’s just (another) lie.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Listen, sounds like you have all the things I am assuming and implying in your head all ready to go, so what do you need me for. Just go have this argument in your head.
3 weeks ago
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Yeah, run
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
You know my real argument is that you haploautists are autistic morons, kinda make it too easy.
Some Catalans like to larp as Frenchmen because their language is similar to Occitan although it's yet another case where language is not correlating with genetics.
Also I'm pretty sure they don't believe it themselves and do that mostly to piss off the Castillan
>All European "nations" are an amalgam of different cultures/heritage/language etc.
Some nations are really homogenous and isolated e.g. Icelanders, Finns, Latvians, Poles, Koreans and the Japanese. >This is why nationalism is bullshit.
You clearly don't understand civic nationalism.
What we know as a "frenchman" and its "french culture" and even the "french language", are literally just the people, language and culture of Paris and its surroundings that got imposed by force upon the other inhabitants of the land, who were far away from french language, culture and identity.
Just like Castillians and the "spanish identity".
Yes, a Frenchman refers to a man who is a citizen or native of France, or someone of French descent. France is a country in Western Europe known for its rich culture, history, and contributions to various fields such as art, cuisine, and literature.
>Is there such a thing as a Frenchman?
Yes. The original Frenchman (a close, but irritating approximation of a man) fell from Satan's arse as one of many turds unleashed on this Earth. They then proceeded to conquer and genocide the native populations of old West Francia, forcing the few survivors to speak their hideous demonic tongue rather than anything designed for a human with self respect. Once the original population of the land we now call 'France' had been so utterly broken that they were now speaking 'French' it was easy for the demonic Frenchman to keep them under his thumb for the rest of time.
nope
too much paper printing (like money printing but for citizenship) caused the de-pegging of French identity from its original ethnos.
Such is the fate of demographic quantitative easing. They need a gold standard.
Anon...
Are anglos celtic or germanic?
Short answer: Anglos are Germanic.
Long answer:
The English are about a 50-50 hybrid between Germanics (Angles, Jutes, Saxons...) and native Britons.
Recent studies indicate a significant inflow of mainland French inflow post Norman conquest, that is, beyond just the nobility.
You are correct. Historically the Basque core was in the territory of mainland France, same for Catalan (Occitan).
>Historically the Basque core was in the territory of mainland France
Vascones have always been Iberians and Aquitanians do differ slightly from Basques.
Basque ressemble more Iron Age Iberians than they do those populations
>same for Catalan (Occitan).
Haitian speak a French derived language does that make them French?
You are moronic and you make the amateur mistake of cofounding language and genetic makeup
>cofounding
confounding*
anglos are rape babies
there's no such thing as an english state or people before they got conquered
The English were created when the Germanics mass migrated into the Isles during and after the fall or Rome, and mixed with the local Britons.
The English are therefore a native group to the Islands, as they were breed into existence in that territory where they remained ever since.
But enough about Britain, this is a French thread.
>anon hasn’t heard of Old Anglia
>Is there such a thing as a Frenchman?
Yes.
Elaborate
The French exist.
They think of themselves as French, and other people think of themselves as French.
This has been the case for centuries.
Yes and they live in Haiti
Yeah I met one, some guy who said he was from France. And I said, "Behold! A French man".
Why is it that SW french are close to spaniards and not the other way around? Same with SE with Italians, NE with Germans.
Nobody says that NE Spanish are “French-Like”. Same with NW Italians and SW Germans.
spaniards are pretty much the same all over the peninsula because of how reconquista dealt with muslims, southern spaniards are basques+a bit of arab
>Why is it that SW french are close to spaniards and not the other way around?
Because r1b df27 is of Iberian origin
Why is it that Paris looks like Congo and not Congo looks like Paris?
You're asking stupid questions
Everyone says north Italians aren't really Italian they are French and German.
The Longobards moved wholesale to the Pavia and all around it and stayed there for good. I would say modern Lombards, Piemontesi, Venetian, etc have a significant amount of German ancestry. There were other Germanic peoples who came to Italy as conquerors/soldiers/mercenaries, but the most significant are the Ostrogoths and Longobards, both based in the north of the peninsula.
Hehe
and just like that its a haploautist thread.
This thread was about genetics from OP
Btw facts don't care about your feeling
Yeah I'm sure there is a vast genetic differences between peoples living right next to each other. please post numbers with 20 decimal places to prove me wrong.
There's a massive difference between Ukrainians and Anatolians and even more between Iberians and Nafris so yes???
Not my fault if you can understand basic stuff
If you can't*
Yes, because this is a threat about anatolians and ukrainians, jesus fricking christ you really are an autist.
Nta but you’re a moron for not getting his point.
Yeah you wanna tell me Brittany and Normandy are the same distance apart as Crimea and Gallipoli?
You are the one who’s assuming genetic similarities are always 1:1 with closeness in territory, which just isn’t true.
I didn't say 'closeness,' because that's relativistic and imprecise like you could say the moon is 'close' to earth, I said right next to each other.
You really are an expert at moving goalposts holy shit. Also “closeness” wasn’t the wrong term at all. Wtf?
Is this one of those 'admission as accusation' things? I said something specific, you claimed I said something vague. And now you pettifog even further by completely abandoning the argument and want to debate about the debate itself. What a useless waste of time you are.
Okay I’ll spoon feed it to you as if I would to a moronic pseudointelectual baby:
>Yeah I'm sure there is a vast genetic differences between peoples living right next to each other.
Here you already started by arguing with a couple fallacies, the anon simply posted an image, you made the assumption that he meant that N Italians were vastly different from Germans, yet he did not say that and his own image literally shows that they are in fact close. However, his post implied that, since Portuguese are closer to Austrians and Swiss Germans than N Italians, the latter are in fact Italian, and NOT German. As he replied to a post that claimed they were German, that was the intention of his post, which you misinterpreted.
The second fallacy was that your sentence is simply a lie. As he pointed out in his reply, “There's a massive difference between Ukrainians and Anatolians and even more between Iberians and Nafris”, and these are populations who are right next to each other, but are vastly different genetically. Unlike what you claim.
>Yes, because this is a threat about anatolians and ukrainians
This was your reply to that. Failing to realize that he used those examples as an argument to disprove YOUR fallacy, NOT him pretending the thread was about that. This is really obvious, I really can’t tell if you are dismissing this because you’re disingenuous or just dumb, but you’re one or the other, maybe both.
>Yeah you wanna tell me Brittany and Normandy are the same distance apart as Crimea and Gallipoli?
Here you are misreading my argument (nothing new), kinda tired of you so I’ll just say: Red Herring, Moving Goalposts, (very weak) Strawman.
>you claimed I said something vague
This one is not even a fallacy, it’s just (another) lie.
Listen, sounds like you have all the things I am assuming and implying in your head all ready to go, so what do you need me for. Just go have this argument in your head.
Yeah, run
You know my real argument is that you haploautists are autistic morons, kinda make it too easy.
What do you mean? They say that about the Genoese, Catalonians, and Walloons/Rhinelanders all the time.
Yes about the Walloons which also makes sense, no about everything else
It’s true for Belgians, that’s why I didn’t mention them. Nobody says that the Genoese and Catalans are French.
Some Catalans like to larp as Frenchmen because their language is similar to Occitan although it's yet another case where language is not correlating with genetics.
Also I'm pretty sure they don't believe it themselves and do that mostly to piss off the Castillan
Nice map and all but where are the fricking Franks? The guys who gave it its name.
All European "nations" are an amalgam of different cultures/heritage/language etc. This is why nationalism is bullshit.
>All European "nations" are an amalgam of different cultures/heritage/language etc.
Some nations are really homogenous and isolated e.g. Icelanders, Finns, Latvians, Poles, Koreans and the Japanese.
>This is why nationalism is bullshit.
You clearly don't understand civic nationalism.
>Finns
Found the moron
Something about french history has always been unappealing to me. Is it because they are the mutts of europe?
What we know as a "frenchman" and its "french culture" and even the "french language", are literally just the people, language and culture of Paris and its surroundings that got imposed by force upon the other inhabitants of the land, who were far away from french language, culture and identity.
Just like Castillians and the "spanish identity".
Stupid meme
Yes, a Frenchman refers to a man who is a citizen or native of France, or someone of French descent. France is a country in Western Europe known for its rich culture, history, and contributions to various fields such as art, cuisine, and literature.
>Is there such a thing as a Frenchman?
Yes. The original Frenchman (a close, but irritating approximation of a man) fell from Satan's arse as one of many turds unleashed on this Earth. They then proceeded to conquer and genocide the native populations of old West Francia, forcing the few survivors to speak their hideous demonic tongue rather than anything designed for a human with self respect. Once the original population of the land we now call 'France' had been so utterly broken that they were now speaking 'French' it was easy for the demonic Frenchman to keep them under his thumb for the rest of time.
Alsatians are surprisingly very French
nope
too much paper printing (like money printing but for citizenship) caused the de-pegging of French identity from its original ethnos.
Such is the fate of demographic quantitative easing. They need a gold standard.