is this actually worth reading? not sure if i want to commit to 1000 pages
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okay don't and also kys
not according to Nabokov or Stalin.
a play stuck in a novel written by a degenerate gambler who was paid by the word
Kek, I can really see this as a play. Also he would’ve gotten more money from a play than a book, I guess his degeneracy didn’t even let him see that.
The book still worth reading.
> Kek, I can really see this as a play. Also he would’ve gotten more money from a play than a book
Most people don’t read plays and the theater is mostly dead apart from a few scenes in major world cities.
Dostoevsky was very fortunate, as far as his reputation goes, to have written novels instead of plays.
During his time plays/theater were the money makers, along with operas.
He would’ve made more money.
>Most people don’t read plays and the theater is mostly dead
Yes, in our time.
Greatest novel ever written, but it's a bit messy. It wasn't supposed to be a stand alone novel, but a prologue of the actual book Dosto wanted to write.
I think Dosto was the best novelist of all-time. The only thing he ever wrote that I didn’t get sucked into was The Brothers Karamazov.
He fails in characterisation and character development.
I just thought it was boring. The zosima chapters really filtered me.
This might be the most moronic comment I've ever seen on IQfy lmfao
If you like melodramatic lunatics in your books and asspulling by the writer to get the conclusion
Yeah, who would want to read about melodramatic lunatics?
>character development.
what a fricking meme, i hate animegays for making this term popular
do you think i should read crime and punishment first? i bought them both not realising brother is 1k pages and im a pretty light reader so would probably take me months
yes, amazing book. you get used to all the pages easily. it might just be a heavy read (get it?)
it's shorter, if you'd think like that. it's also pretty good. i would, to get used to the author's style.
Yeah. Your next read should be Notes from the Underground, which you can get alongside a collection of his short stories.
bait. i'm 60/40 that you just finished reading it and want some feedback. what did you think of it? (i'm a born again reader reading "The New History of Western Philosophy" because I'm probably autistic so I'm clearly being unironic here)
not quite sure wtf youre chatting but it just came today, i opened it, saw 1000 pages and was turned off so i thought id ask here as my mate says its some jordan peterson frick american propoganda shit
I'm so confused by you people who buy books without knowing almost anything about them.
i dont like to read too much about them as i will form an opinion, i like to go in blind
Don't worry, you can know about a physical volume's parametres without the story being spoiled.
Your mate is a fricking moron, read crime and punishment, the idiot and brothers and stop listening to your stupid uncultured friends.
>dostoevsky's final post-Siberian masterpiece
>its actually about jordan peterson and american
Dostoevsky was the original Jordan Peterson so it makes sense
>IQfy-literature
>is this actually worth reading? not sure if i want to commit to 1000 pages
maybe you should just 'commit' suicide then
lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
im a new reader, most book i read are like 300 pages so this is quite a challenge for me as its either this one book or three others
read notes from the underground then homosexual
i got crime and punishment as well you cuck
I just finished reading The Grand Inquisitor.
This is the only decent chapter apart from a few in the start so far.
It is soooooooooo fuuuuucccckkkkkiiiiinnng booooorrriiinnngggg!
what did you understand from the inquisitor chapter?
General summary: cardinal inverts values to assuage his personal disenchantment with God and free will, but does so with full righteousness and a feeling of doing well. Many do more harm than good in the same manner.
I can't comment on the theological details because I don't know them well.
did you understand the kiss?
I'm guessing that God accepts the cardinal, despite the latter being against everything He stands for.
Flustered, the Cardinal understands and let's him go, but still can't get out of his mindset.
Feel free to tell me what it really symbolizes because I'm not familiar with Christian theology.
in russian culture, that kind of kiss is an act between friends. it's like a brotherly hug, but much deeper.
it's answering all that hate with simple love.
the cardinal understands the answer and tells Him to leave.
That Westerners take dogma too far and there is something wrong with us
what do you mean? expand that some more
I think Westerners are inclined towards strict dogma and inquisition. I feel it in myself.
depends on what you mean by dogma. Some bits of theology need to be that strict. like Christ being God, and the Trinity, for some examples.
the inquisition part is wrong, yes. just as the inquisitor understood; "love the sinner, hate the sin"
I mean a tendency towards dogmatic thinking and a desire for strict dogma. I think Westerners demand everyone else think like them and I feel this in myself. God may love me, but I don’t love myself.
ah, yes. i see that too. especially on unimportant points that can be discussed.
why don't you love yourself?
It would be hard to distill it to a single sentence without thinking about for a while but obviously I feel the person I am and the person I want to be to be very distant.
I’m not doubting anyone’s sincerity. I’m perfectly sincere in my inclination towards dogma.
don't we all feel like that? you'll get there, one step at a time.
yes, i just mean that the hate for someone who disagrees with you is gone. you can then see someone who has their heart right but needs a hand, or someone who's totally wrong, who you can only be sad is so lost, instead of hating both, for example.
I’m 29. My impression is that the window to really change myself or anything about my life has closed, and that’s assuming I’m really clear about what I want and need out of it, which I’m only somewhat clear. The dogmatic inclination is not hateful. Witches were burned at the stake often with those doing the burning thinking they were being righteous and good.
I don’t think you can possibly know if you’re doing that or what that ideal is. What is the better? I don’t know. You have 4 ideal selves in front of you, how can you know which one is really ideal? You can’t. Should you even pursue the ideal? Should you pursue anything? I don’t know anymore. It feels futile regardless. I’m interested in Christianity but I haven’t found answers yet.
>My impression is that the window to really change myself or anything about my life has closed,
lol what, youve done 29 years out of potentially 100...youre not even a third of the way through life
i hate to tell you this but there is no meaning and there is no answers, we are organisms that just so happened to gain consciousness and how we are trying to attatch meaning to something that there is non but this is a good, the 'meaning' is just whatever you want it to be, enjoy the experience of experiencing, read, explore, travel, make connnections, talk to strangers, consume and create, just live your life bro
Most of them men in my family have died in their 50s or 60s so idk about that but I don’t think it matters logically. I hope what you say isn’t true because I really find that unbearable. I want to believe in a Christian notion of vocation and fulfillment.
Totally agree but not all journeys are the same.
>I want to believe in a Christian notion of vocation and fulfillment.
ok sure then believe in that, my point is theres no universal truth or right way, thats for you to decide and thats the beauty of life, if you wish to be a christian then go for it bro, go to your local church and attend sermon etc, be the master of your own fate
I don’t think it’s possible or desirable for you to create your own truth for multiple reasons.
if you truly want an ideal to try and be like, it's Christ.
there is. said by Himself: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." (John 14:6)
when i say no universal truth i mean at a fundamental level, we are just organism that gained consciousness and basically made up a ton of stories to try explain wtf is happening, but the truth is there is nothing, its just a coincidence we gained an ego and its natural for us to try find answers, religion is just a reflection of our soul so in a way it is the answer but also not, the universe doesnt know we exist its all just matter in the eyes of truth
and i'm saying that's nonsense.
for simple questions, what are the odds of that just happening? why would only humans do so? Why would religion be so prevalent everywhere, and at all points have some sort of similarity with the Christian one?
how does something "gain conscience"? it's not just stuff hitting itself randomly.
how do you talk about a soul without something to have made it? are souls also just a coincidence?
>what are the odds of that just happening?
not that low, theres trillions of planets bro
>Why would religion be so prevalent everywhere
because religion is a reflection of our consciousness
>how does something "gain conscience"?
its a survival mechanism used to navigate reality, literally just formed through millions of years of natural selection strengthening consciousness, people that are more conscious survived more thats all
>are souls also just a coincidence
souls are an illusion of the complexity of our brains decision making
man-made artificial selection couldn't even get close to what people claim natural selection did, and the natural one would be much less strict.
evolution is but a theory, and a weak one at that.
assuming it nonetheless, why aren't all other animals extinct? they aren't conscious.
answer the other half of the prevalence question, if you may.
>why aren't all other animals extinct? they aren't conscious
uhhh what?
you say more conscious humans survived more. how could that happen when animals aren't conscious at all and doing fine? what would drive the death of less conscious humans?
>how could that happen when animals aren't conscious at all
bro what the frick are you smoking? most animals have conscious
humans conciousness evolved because its our best tool, thats like saying "lol if squids developed tentacles to survive how com humans survived when they have none?"
theres a million different ways to survive, humans just went down improved conscious as our evolution route, like how chameleons went down camouflage and the millions of other ways
but how could they improve without a driving force?
you're saying the less conscious ones died "just because".
the tentacle idea is a false comparison; you're treating the differences like 'skill trees' of some sort.
try to give proper creationism theory a read.
>most animals have conscience
a few don't realize what they see on a mirror is themselves.
>a few don't realize what they see on a mirror is themselves.
youre talking about ego now not consciousness
>you're saying the less conscious ones died "just because"
no they would die from animals, starvation, lack of ability to build a shelter
how does any of that differ from another kind of human dying. you're talking about basic intelligence, not consciousness.
monkeys can use tools.
>monkeys can use tools.
no they cant really they can just imitate humans
basic intelligence IS consciousness
it isn't.
the more conscious you are the more intelligent you are its really that simple
Everything you just said presupposes universal truth.
Maybe I’m selfish. I’m interested in Christianity and I think it’s important to take it seriously. But I’m concerned with myself and my life. I’m not a priest or a monk, and I’m definitely not a prophet. I’m a guy who wants something particular for himself and his life which isn’t necessarily Christian and isn’t sure iit should be necessarily Christian and yet doesn’t know how or why to actualize that or make it happen, it it’s even still possible.
well, what do you want for your life?
Ah. I guess I don’t really know, but I suspect I can never know until it’s too late to make a choice regardless.
also yes, the "we're just chemicals bro, nothing matters" stuff is nonsense.
As is the notion of subjective truth.
and also its not about reaching this idealistic version of yourself, its unironically the journey not the destination, pick a goal and head towards it, humans love goals and hardships and achieving things, the actual specifics are less relevant
>the window to really change myself or anything about my life has closed
I know a lot of people who changed their lives at ~29. I know a good handful who changed their lives in their late thirties. One of my girls uncles decided to change everything about his life in his late forties. You are never to old to change and we're all going to make it.
Also, going off the anthroposophic concept of septennia you're at the perfect moment in time for a change.
>I feel the person I am and the person I want to be to be very distant
this is only a bad thing if you're not pursuing the person you wish to be, no reason not to love yourself because you're not this ideal person thats a mindset that will prevent growth, the main thing is you work towards a better you
jumping the gun here, if it is for that kind of thinking, keep studying.
you'll come to see that there are sincere people in all denominations, and everywhere. God shows Elijah that when the old woman helps him, to quote Scripture.
she is mistaken on belief, but has her heart right. shouldn't be hated for the former, but helped to the right path.
you can't get someone out of a hole if you keep pushing them deeper.
but, we're biased towards thinking like that. just work on it.
Imagine buying one of the greatest novels of all time and getting the crapsack hand-sized paperback edition rather than the SUPREME P&V Translations.
imagine getting the P&V version and not ignat ivesy or mcduff
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oprah cuck
>god is love
>and love saves
>because love exists god exists
lmao hard labor camp worked on this guy huh
Seems right out of a disney movie
>/nu/lit hates dosto
what the frick happened?
Also, OP is a homosexual who thinks a trhousand pages is "too much".
read 100 pages and then decide. it's literally that easy.
>Being intimidated by page count
homie it's just words on paper bounded toghether, you don't have to read it in one sitting.
then read 50 pages
okay don't and also kys
it's boring crap. the dialog among the characters is about as deep as what you would hear amongst teenage boys at a sleep over
This board is fricking 70 iq.
We’re the highest IQ board.
>/tg/ that low
>IQfy that high
bullshit
The idea that the average lit poster is a borderline genius is ridiculous. Clearly this is made up
The kind of brilliant deduction only a quad-having 147 IQ genius could come up with—bravo, anon, bravo!
I have 100 pages left and am really enjoying it now that I am acquainted with the characters. It's definitely not as gloomy as Crime and Punishment and it's much faster than The Idiot.
I think of this post and then hear Renai Circulation when I see a post about Brothers Karamazov.
To the anon that's saying that we're just atoms and there's no meaning behind any of this, I wish good luck and pray that he changes his mind. I understand where you're coming from and it's not your fault - this is what rationalism ultimately does to people. Keep in mind that everything you're saying is extremely naive in the sense that you genuinely think that this is true, despite your words being nothing but materialistic science babble, which will have changed drastically in 100 years. We do NOT know why things exist at all, why consciousness exists, why humans are inclined to believe in religion and God, why we search for meaning through something like God. ''This is our best tool'' you say - wrong. I don't understand how self-reflection and existentialism does anything good to people, think of how many people ''think'' themselves into a corner of nihilism and futility, how many suicides have happened because people overthink things or genuinely convince themselves that their mind is just a by-product of the brain. Despite the trendiness of being atheistic, being a Godly person simply works. ''Oh but it's just ethical norms, you don't need God to tell you that killing others is bad'', but that's not even half of it. Read the Gospels and maybe concentrate on the Paulin epistles. He did not believe in Jesus and persecuted Christians fiercely, yet he underwent a transformation after being shown Heaven. Think about it ''rationally'', if you and a bunch of people saw a person rise from the dead and that person spent months telling you incomprehensible stuff about God, the nature of everything and the afterlife and even performed miracles, wouldn't you too spend your entire life spreading what you now know to be The Truth. Why risk persecution and a violent death for one big LIE? What did they gain by this, they didn't get wealth or power I can assure you.
Shut up Christian
Yes moron just sit down turn your phone off and read it jesus christ.
I like when Dmitri talks about growing a beard and shaving it off. It reminded me of Spongebob.
This is the greatest book I have yet read, but I don't know if it is for everyone. It is really spiritually and intellectually taxing. The second time I read it, I came to notice how Dosty reveals even in the smallest gestures of each character their whole philosophico-sexual-religious vantage point. A good example would be Dmitri's abuse of the "wisp of tow" character: at first it seems like something to indicate "oh he's nutty!" but upon reflection you start to realize what this particular action reveals about this particular character. There is something like that on every page.
was miusov supposed to represent turgenev
Each brother as a representative of beliefs throughout the history:
This is some moronic theory I made up but I want to post about it
>Dmitry
representative of the ancient gods, beliefs. Full of life, aggressive yet knows how to love, courageous. Reminds me of a pagan god that tells his nation to go and conquer. To Dostoyevsky, he's on the good side yet needs taming.
>Alexei
Christian era, obviously. Alyosha is a representative of Jesus and his morales. To Dosto, this is the right way.
>Ivan
The godless, seemingly materialistic future. Thinking is valued over god and morales. Of course to Dostoyevsky, this would fail (Ivan descending into madness) because humans or at least some of them have goodness in their hearts and can't live without morality.
I wish their ages fitted the chronology though