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I don't know what he meant by this
He means he prefers the uncomfortable delusion of christianity to reality. And that's cringe.
*comfortable
Christ is the truth.
All other religions, like naturalism or evolutionism or roman catholicism, are false.
So true sister
Antichrists must be brain damaged, they're all incapable of intelligible discourse.
I'm agreeing with you, sis
Wow I never thought of it like that before. Here I was thinking truth was the truth, but now I see it was Christ all along. No wonder you fellas can brainlessly believe in that shit
>truth was the truth
Who decides what is true? When I was a kid Pluto was a planet. When I was a kid Iraq had WMDs. When I was a kid the ice caps were supposed to be melted by 2010.
So true. Maybe we are just epistemologically crippled. Good thing we can just close our eyes and plug our ears and exclaim loud and proud "Christ is Truth".
As opposed to closing our eyes and exclaiming "The Government is Truth".
I prefer my exclamations more to the tune of "THE GOVERNMENT IS FULL OF Black folk AND GOD IS DEAD"
What are you trying to imply? That "The government is truth" is somehow opposed to "Christ is truth" like those are two antithetical options? Are you moronic?
>like those are two antithetical options?
They are
If you're a complete moron then maybe
I'm not blindly following anything, that's the plint. You guys are the ones who are so one-track-minded that you refuse to consider any other opinion or logic that might contradict with your idea of what you believe to be the truth. I believe in spiritual experinces, NDEs have proved that to me. What I don't believe in is the traditional idea of religion, which is outdated.
>I think what’s cringe is just blindly accepting that you should orient your life around what is literally true for no reason in particular. That’s NPC ethics basically, blind seeking of some ambiguous truth and subordination of all live to that even if it destroys and belittles and diminishes life.
You're life has to orient around something, so why would you want that to be a truth instead of a lie? And the very concept of not following one sole idea in particular and instead being open to outside ideas without bias and with fair judgement is not "blindly following". Recheck your definitions
lie instead of the truth*
Suppose hypothetically that Christianity isn’t true. You choose instead to pursue truth and cast aside Christ. Why? You literally don’t have a reason. Stating that you pursue the one because it is true and the other you don’t because it is not true is just begging the question. “Why not follow the truth instead of a lie?” I don’t know lol. That’s why I’m asking you. You’re just restating the question.
You have no grounds to accept anything like spirits or life after death but deny the supernatural reality of God that wouldn’t be incoherent.
If Christianity isn't true then there isn't any point to devote time, attention, or money to a complete falsehood which only serves to drag me down spiritually. "why follow the truth if the lie is more convenient?" this is how slaves think. The grounds I have to accept supernatural reality is my observable reality. We live in a world where nothing can truly be ordained. The existence of NDEs have also proven to me that even the most skeptic atheists have a spiritual awakening in the face of such things. What I can't accept is the abrahamif idea of God and religion which seems entirely contradictory in nature.
Atheist arguments aren't circular. Theist arguments are.
You’re dodging the question. If Christianity isn’t true, if no God exists, why pursue the truth? Why orient your life around said truth?
Atheist arguments are circular. To be an atheist means you deny that God or gods exist. On what basis do you deny this?
I'm not oreinting my life around the truth. The truth is transparent and vague. I just simply refuse to orient my life around a lie that's a waste of time. I deny your last statement on the basis that my identity is not oriented around atheism. All I am is a person who does not believe in the traditional idea of God and Christ. I am perfectly allowed to still believe in spiritual experiences regardless. Accept that maybe "God" or the idea of such things don't come in the form you expect.
You still haven’t answered the question. If the truth is that God doesn’t exist, why pursue that truth? Why even accept it as true? I understand that you think the existence of God is a lie or “not true” but why accept what is true?
>To be an atheist means you deny that God or gods exist. On what basis do you deny this?
None of them have convinced me. That's the basis. Furthermore, essentially every religion is mutually exclusive, meaning if on is true, all others are false. This means that taken as a whole, 99.99% of religions are definitely false for sure. Given these odds, why would you ever feel confident that you picked the right one to believe in? And by what mechanism did you pick it? You were taught it as a child? It resonated with you personally? I'm sure all the false religions resonate to the exact degree with their adherents. They all share the same type of faith, just in different and conflicting things. I'm content to know that if I'm wrong, and a God does exist, I will close my life knowing I was honest about what I was convinced of and what I doubted and therefore rejected.
To know that you know nothing is to know at least 1 thing.
Tell that to Socrates then.
He never existed. So I'll just tell midwits that post this.
>All that I know is that I know nothing
In other words:
>The one thing I know is that I know nothing
Your criticism is invalid because it's implied in the statement that he knows one thing, you stupid homosexual
That's him being a wisecrack. It's intentionally paradoxical since to "know something" is inherent to human reason to some degree. No one is completely without the ability to know the Truth.
Catholicism is Christian
Roman catholicism is clearly not Christianity. Try thinking for yourself instead of blindly trusting what "the (religion) experts" tell you to think.
I don't even have to read all the text in the pic you uploaded to know you're a protestant cuck. You are so blinded by capitalism and corporate pastors that you are beyond salvation. You claim that all there is is the scripture, and that it is the only source of knowledge, and the only way to Christ. You avoid the leadership of great men who have dedicated their lives to understanding the word of Christ and transferring it to their descendents. This is your downfall. There is no one singular way to read the Bible. There's just too much text with many different ways to interpret it (as indicated by the existance of multiple churches). Also, the text is translated and transformed throughout the years - you certainly haven't read the original scriptures written by the original authors. So you reject the explanations of the scripture by those who have dedicated their lives to spreading and understanding Christ, and instead you rely on your own interpretation (or even worse, the interpretation of a cuck pastor). I'm not even religious, and I can say your soul is beyond salvation.
If you weren't religious you wouldn't be getting this mad lol
Why are so many theists so far up their own ass that they genuinely believe people worship naturalism and evolutionism and that everyone that argues with them is some kind of reddit-tier atheist it makes you look moronic and incapable of actually having discussion in good faith or without bias?
And since when did this become a religous board anyway? I wanted to talk about Yusuke Kishi novels
>they genuinely believe people worship naturalism and evolutionism
They do. People worship money and technology just like people used to worship rivers and cows.
>That "The government is truth" is somehow opposed to "Christ is truth" like those are two antithetical options?
“I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
-John 14: 6
No they don't, you genuine moron. Are you even living in reality?
I could ask you the same thing.
By "religion" they mean "mindlessly loyal". If that is what religion means to you then I concede the point.
You worship something when you let it dominate your life. Fat people worship food, junkies worship drugs, greedy people worship wealth. Since you mentioned rituals, is eating 4000 calories a day non-stop not ritualistic? Is smoking a pack of cigarettes every day not a ritual? Is going out every Saturday to have sex with strangers not a ritual?
Do you see what people mean they say that christians incapable of having actual discussions without bias? Do you seriously think every atheist is eating 4000 calories a day or smoking cigs every day or having casual sex with strangers everyday? When you resort to ridiculous analogies it makes you look stupid. As if there aren't plenty of christians who are rapists, or alchoholics, or drug abusers. Everyone has vices, but very few to the extent you're trying to get at.
>Do you seriously think every atheist is eating 4000 calories a day or smoking cigs every day or having casual sex with strangers everyday? When you resort to ridiculous analogies it makes you look stupid
rent free LMAO
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Not him but you are extremely wrong.
>Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.
1st John 2: 15-17
So...should I not love pretty flowers or butterflies because they are from the world and are a desire of the eyes? I thought the Father created the world so how would he not be in it in every shape and form
>So...should I not love pretty flowers or butterflies because they are from the world and are a desire of the eyes?
If you love flowers so much it inhibits your ability to serve God then you are worshipping another god. The same is true with any form of entertainment.
I feel obligated to warn you that you are making a serious mistake, it is up to you to listen to me or not.
That isn't what that verse implied or stated in the slightest.
What is it stating, then?
"Do not love material things in life for the Father is not in them" How can that be reasonably expected if the father created things such as flowers, the lakes and rivers, and sweet fruit, for our happiness, as it is stated? Isn't the garden of eden filled with these things
you first
>How can that be reasonably expected if the father created things such as flowers, the lakes and rivers, and sweet fruit, for our happiness, as it is stated? Isn't the garden of eden filled with these things
this is not what the verse means. I thought you "knew" what it means. are you a liar?
That is what the verse stated, and so that's the natural conclusion one comes to after reading it. Or are you not supposed to flat-out read it as it is and apply some secondary knowledge?
I don't care what the Bible calls my body. I have shit, piss, and stomach acid floating and flowing through my body. Does that mean I worship these three things because they pass through my body?
>How can that be reasonably expected if the father created things such as flowers, the lakes and rivers, and sweet fruit, for our happiness, as it is stated?
this is a QUESTION you fricking moron not an assertion of meaning
you are moronic lol. have you ever even taken an introductory logic class?
>Does that mean I worship these three things because they pass through my body?
You shouldn't worship your body, you should use your body to serve God. Christians don't worship temples, they use temples to worship God.
Exactly, and I don't drink to worship drinking or piss and shit to worship piss and shit
"I created several things on earth for humanity's happiness"
"Don't love these things tho that's a sin lol"
Questioning this logic seems quite logical, actually
Nobody BTFO of me when nobody has provided ab actual reasonable response to my questions yet that isn't just another verse or a rendition of "because my book says so"
The all-loving God only wants the top-tier of humanity like some kind of Law of the Jungle battle-royale shit? lmao
>"I created several things on earth for humanity's happiness"
>"Don't love these things tho that's a sin lol"
God created these things before humanity sinned, now they are tools of Satan.
>The all-loving God only wants the top-tier of humanity like some kind of Law of the Jungle battle-royale shit?
Unironically yes. Heaven is like Valhalla but instead of physical strength God wants people who can overcome spiritual obstacles like temptation.
>God created these things before humanity sinned, now they are tools of Satan
Humanity sinned because God let them sin. How is that our fault
>Unironically yes. Heaven is like Valhalla but instead of physical strength God wants people who can overcome spiritual obstacles like temptation.
And I'm expected to believe that God is eternally loving and forgiving when this is the case?
Eating too much food doesn't prevent me from worshipping God either so the point that if something dominates your life then that must mean you worship it is completely moot
You don't even have an argument for my logic, lol. Thanks for playing kid
>Thanks for playing kid
imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. you too stupid to post on IQfy, lil kid? if i catch you in my comments again imma spread those cheeks till you HURT
God doesn't like homos, sweetie!
stop moving the goalpost
get ready for pain lil b***h
>Eating too much food doesn't prevent me from worshipping God either
You can't serve God if you're dead from a heart attack.
>Questioning this logic seems quite logical, actually
this is still not an assertion of meaning. you are a liar and apparently too dumb to understand basic cartesian logic. thanks for playing kid.
>"Do not love material things in life for the Father is not in them" How can that be reasonably expected if the father created things such as flowers, the lakes and rivers, and sweet fruit, for our happiness, as it is stated? Isn't the garden of eden filled with these things
God created the world but allows Satan to rule it, so he can seperate the good from the evil. 2nd Corinthians 4:4 calls Satan "the god of this world".
How are the people expected to be totally pure-hearted and good if the world is literally ruled by Satan? Moreover, why would God allow Satan such a privilege in the first place?
why are you trying to debate when you already got BTFO?
>why would God allow Satan such a privilege in the first place?
God doesn't want weak servants, he wants servants who are able to overcome Satan.
NTA but essentially what you are saying is that God created this world for man and presumably put his body into it, and then turned it over to Satan so that these flowers and beautiful things are now under the owner ship of Satan.
This is not in the hebrew bible at all and is a rather innovative account of the matter. To use the excuse Christians are so fond of, could "Satan is the god of this world" be largely figurative. As in an entity that people worship, but not necessarily the owner of the flowers and the beautiful things to the extent that the love of flowers is tantamount to a rejection of God.
>This is not in the hebrew bible at all and is a rather innovative account of the matter.
It's literally the premise of Job. Saran has to ask permission before God will allow him to test Job's faith.
Satan does specific things to a specific person and requires permission first. I realize that this is all figurative and is about theodicy in general but that is a far cry from Satan having ownership of everything on earth. Satan plays the role of a tempter here.
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I don't understand what Christcucks think they are accomplishing by quoting scripture at an atheist. It's always the same passages too. If you have an argument make it in your own words, I have no special reverance for Da Jesus Books. Comes off as virtue signalling, to borrow your term.
Okay so by this quote it’s safe to assume anyone who “lives in the world” ie; is obsessed with worldly things is not Christian, however, at no point does that quote say that being involved in the world is a religion unto itself
NTA but you were being charitably interpreted. Rather than deny your definitions, he went back to what was said earlier about how atheists are characterized as worshipping x, y and z and is asserting that actually, many do not.
>Do you seriously think every atheist is eating 4000 calories a day or smoking cigs every day or having casual sex with strangers everyday?
None of those things is particularly unusual, anon, and if they aren't doing one of those three things they're doing something else unhealthy.
So you admit that everyone has vices and trying to assume that they "worship" it just because they use it as a coping mechanism makes you look really obnoxious
he said "if something dominates your life then you must worship it", so in this context it's basically the same thing
morons arguing in bad faith
captcha YIKE88
The definition of worship that is being used is novel. It is being used explicitly to make an argument. It has been demonstrated, in good faith, that the definition can apply to things as inane as breathing and child-rearing. Give a better definition of worship. Hint: it involves submission to a higher being
>The definition of worship that is being used is novel
you are clearly illiterate and possibly even subhuman
try opening up a dictionary, moron
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>Merriam Webster
as in to venerate, to offer honor or respect to (someone) as a divine power the ancient Greeks worshipped many different gods
>Websters 1913
4. The act of paying divine honors to the Supreme Being; religious reverence and homage; adoration, or acts of reverence, paid to God, or a being viewed as God.
"God with idols in their worship joined." Milton.
5. Obsequious or submissive respect; extravagant admiration; adoration.
'T is your inky brows, your black silk hair,
Your bugle eyeballs, nor your cheek of cream,
That can my spirits to your worship.
Shak.
>Obsequious or submissive respect; extravagant admiration; adoration.
That fits in with my argument.
you are fricking moronic. 90 IQ subhuman level LMAO
wor·ship
/ˈwərSHəp/
noun
noun: worship
adoration or devotion comparable to religious homage, shown toward a person or principle.
"our society’s worship of teenagers"
simular:adulate, reverance
Calling him names isn't going to change his opinion, please stop hurting my argument.
I was trying to be charitable. The dictionary also lists "A title of honor, used in addresses to certain magistrates and others of rank or station" but I assumed you weren't talking about judges in the british commonwealth. The two definitions are referring to two different phenomenon, the latter definition stemming from the former one.
>The definition of worship that is being used is novel.
So because my beliefs aren't conventional that automatically discredits me in your eyes?
>It has been demonstrated, in good faith, that the definition can apply to things as inane as breathing and child-rearing.
No it hasn't. Breathing doesn't seperate you from God. Smoking cigarettes does.
No, you are discredited because your beliefs entail absurdities.
>Separation from God
Maybe be more specific, ay? Worship is something that 1. dominates your life and 2. separates you from God. That doesn't seem right, does it?
>Worship is something that 1. dominates your life and 2. separates you from God.
I agree with this statement.
Isaiah 59:1-2
Behold, the Lord's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save, or his ear dull, that it cannot hear; but your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you so that he does not hear
So a good christian doesn't worship God???
What do you mean?
If worship separates you from god, why would a christian worship?
Worship God. You are being deliberately obtuse as a defense mechanism.
No I am not being obtuse. This discussion has been about whether an atheist can be said to worship things in the religious sense of the term. I do not think so, and asked to understand what you thought "worship" means. It was shown that your definition is very vague, allowing for things like child-rearing to be counted as worship. This was to show that there was an issue in the way you understood worship.
If you think this is bad faith, in what way is it possible to show that the definition that you provided is untenable and that worship and, say, addiction are separate things?
>It was shown that your definition is very vague, allowing for things like child-rearing to be counted as worship.
No it doesn't. How does child-rearing seperate you from God?
It dominates your life in your child's early years and can most definitely seperate you from worship. I've seen moms leave to go pick up their toddlers from daycare or change their diapers in the middle of churce lol
>I've seen moms leave to go pick up their toddlers from daycare or change their diapers in the middle of churce lol
Neither of those things prevents you from worshipping God. Furthermore, if you raise your children to be Christians then they can serve God too, thereby increasing the amount of servants God has.
What does separation from God have to do with worship?
You are including a caveat into your definition which you gave me, "Domination over your life". I included that into the definition of worship, you worship something that dominates your life and separates you from God. So I take that definition and apply it to the worship of God which your definition ought to apply to. Thus I conclude that in worshipping God you separate yourself from him. You are calling me obtuse because I keep pointing out the faults in your ad hoc definitions because you are too obstinate to concede you are wrong.
>What does separation from God have to do with worship?
You can't worship God and other things at the same time. If you are worshipping other things then you aren't worshipping God.
Ho-lee shit. That doesn't have anything to do with what we are talking about. You didn't respond to anything I have said. Did you even read it? Understand it? Even if you haven't realized it you proved OPs point. Theists can't even realize their inability to have a discussion in good faith or without bias.
>Ho-lee shit. That doesn't have anything to do with what we are talking about.
Frankly, I would encourage you to do a rudimentary exploration of the Bible because I think you lack the basic knowledge necessary to understand more nuanced theological concepts. I'm not trying to insult you, but I don't believe we are going to make any progress at your current state.
>uhh just read the bible im too smart for you actually
holy kek
thanks for your concession
the guy who can't actually think of an argument so he just resorts to saying "youre not smart enough to understand me! read my book!" is the one who conceded here btw
>n-no u!
lol
lmao, even
thank you again for your concession
>no u 2x!!!!
lol
lmao, even
thanks for the ORIGINAL, concession btw
>implying cookie-cutter debates and whataboutism are advanced argumentative techniques
>being this mad over conceding
>copying a post
lol
lmao even
thank u again for conceding
u mad?
(You)
>being this mad over conceding
>copying a post
lol
lmao even
thank u again for conceding
u mad?
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You can't explain advanced math to someone who doesn't understand basic math, can you?
No, its because you are inept at communicating. I understand now that you are making an argument that there are two categories of worship, worshipping god and partaking in things that dominate your life that separate you from God. It's still an awful definition, the initial things mentioned, eg naturalism and evolutionism, don't dominate an atheists life hence aren't worship. Science and technology don't separate you from God hence aren't worship. That leaves you with addiction as worship, which I can concede
>Science and technology don't separate you from God
They do if you worship them.
Nobody worships those you fool
People don't worship technology? Really?
Yes, really
If you are so obsessed with technology that it dominates your life then you worship technology.
We've already had a discussion about this moronic concept of discussion so just scroll up for that. And obviously people are going to use technology extemely often as you literally cannot reliably function in today's society without being very hands-on with tech. Stop being obtuse
I don't know who any of these people are
Checked
Maybe the YA scientologist doesn't understand worship then...
Ok then the same applies for child-rearing and breathing. Or are they excepted by a handwave?
>Ok then the same applies for child-rearing and breathing. Or are they excepted by a handwave?
Neither of these prevent you from worshipping God.
It's not shallow, it's simple. But not simple enough for you to understand, I suppose.
How does literature or fitness prevent you from worshipping god but child-rearing doesn't?
If you are so obsessed with books that it comes at the cost of your ability to serve God then you are sinning. If you spend all day in the gym and never help people then you are sinning. Child-rearing is an inherently unselfish act. Lifting weights, while admirable, can be selfish under some circumstances.
I'm so obsessed with caring for and doting over my child that my ability to serve God is waned. That makes me a sinner right? I'm comming a selfish act i.e. one for my own benefit instead of serving the Lord. You're supposed to love God over all other creatures, even your children right?
>I'm so obsessed with caring for and doting over my child that my ability to serve God is waned.
You serve God by caring for your child.
No you don't. You serve God by going to church and reading from the bible, both of these things a baby can easily distract you from.
autism.
>No you don't. You serve God by going to church and reading from the bible.
Anything you do for God is a form of worship.
1 Peter 4:8-10
Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins. Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling. Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God’s grace in its various forms.
An atheist does not rear their child for God. Do they still worship him?
reading comprehension fail
did you even take the SATs or A Levels
"you serve god by caring for your child"
"no you dont"
"caring for your child is a form of worship"
"is an atheist caring for their child a form of worship"
Unconcious worship has to be the dumbest fricking idea I've ever heard of. "I know you don't believe in God in any shape but you're actually worshipping him because your child has the potential to becone christian." Does that mean that a homeless man impregnating a lady through rape is worship because the baby has the potential to be christian? Wait a minute, God already knows everything that's going to happen so the "potential to become christian" idea makes no sense in the first place
>Unconcious worship has to be the dumbest fricking idea I've ever heard of.
It's in Genesis.
Genesis 45:
45 Joseph couldn’t control himself anymore in front of all his attendants. He cried out, “Have everyone leave me!” So there wasn’t anyone with Joseph when he told his brothers who he was. 2 He wept so loudly that the Egyptians heard him. Everyone in Pharaoh’s house heard about it.
3 Joseph said to his brothers, “I am Joseph! Is my father still alive?” But his brothers weren’t able to answer him. They were too afraid of him.
4 Joseph said to his brothers, “Come close to me.” So they did. Then he said, “I am your brother Joseph. I’m the one you sold into Egypt. 5 But don’t be upset. And don’t be angry with yourselves because you sold me here. God sent me ahead of you to save many lives. 6 For two years now, there hasn’t been enough food in the land. And for the next five years, people won’t be plowing or gathering crops. 7 But God sent me ahead of you to keep some of you alive on earth. He sent me here to save your lives by an act of mighty power.
8 “So then, it wasn’t you who sent me here. It was God.
I don't care about scripture, give me an actual answer
>I don't care about scripture
Obviously. That's why you don't understand. It's like explaining Trigonometry to someone who doesn't understand Algebra.
"It's in the book"
"But the book makes no sense"
"...but it's in the book"
I can't understand because you aren't actually trying to bring me to a point of understanding, you just keep referencing this book, my consideration of it which has already been established as unreliable
I'm talking about the fact you're trying to equate obsession to worship, which any moron knows isn't the case
>t. the guy who keked at you
you have schizophrenia
Okay, schizo
>Do they still worship him?
Yes. You can serve God without realizing it. Your child still has the potential to become a Christian, even if they weren't raised to be one.
You're right it is simple. Simply stupid and illogical.
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So its not about single-mindedly persuing something to the exclusion of God? I thought you said it was about obsession. Now its about obsession+sin. Then how are science or technology or naturalism or evolution separating you from God?
HEY homosexual. THIS IS A LITERATURE BOARD AND YOU ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT LITERATURE IN FACT, YOU CRITICISED LITERATURE. YOU ARE A moronic homosexual. FRICK YOU.
>how are science or technology or naturalism or evolution separating you from God?
See
That only accounts for one of the three, and barely. Doing one thing doesn't exclude doing others, faith and technology aren't mutualy exclusive.
>faith and technology aren't mutualy exclusive.
I never said they were. Anything that you allow to dominate your life seperates you from God.
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read the thread next time
I did. It was incredibly autistic. Just another example of atheists being incredibly cringe and moronic
t. agnostic
It's so incredibly cringe and moronic, yet you can't actually form a response that isn't ad hominem
t. the guy who keked at you
What the frick are you talking about you schizophrenic?
You are giving a necessary but not sufficient condition by your own account
If you are obsessed with technology then you are obsessed with technology. You can call it worship if you want to be hyperbolic but it is functionally different then the worship done in religion
This just circles back around to his original argument idiot
This just circles back around to his original argument doofus
no shit
It's not my fault he doesn't understand. He needs a basic knowledge of the Bible.
Worshipping presupposes separation from God based on what you said
And that is accepting that moronic conception of worship anyways. People bristle at calling naturalisms and whatnot a religion because it implies dogmatic acceptance. If it just means something that dominates your life and separates you from God no atheist is going to contest you
Even brainlet Neil Gaiman understands this concept. How is it you don't?
I don't read YA.
And yet a YA author who is a Scientologist understands what worship is more than you.
Basically backpedalled the argument to something so inoffensive that its barely even objectionable.
>So you admit that everyone has vices and trying to assume that they "worship" it just because they use it as a coping mechanism makes you look really obnoxious.
You worship your vices. I don't know how to state it more clearly. This is hardly a novel concept, I don't know why you are so angry. Are you insecure because deep down you have a vice that dominates your life?
You don't worship your vices lol. I like to drink often but I don't worship it as my God. How hard is it to understand that to worship something means to concede to and give praise to something? I'm not building a shrine to beer and offering it sacrifices. Fat people and smokers do not worship their vices as a religion. We all recognize that our vices are harmful but some struggle more to wrestle away from these vices than others do. And that can be for a variety of reasons, life is tough after all.
>I'm not building a shrine to beer and offering it sacrifices.
Your body is a shrine, and you are sacrificing your health.
Lmfao how much more disingeniuous can somebody get
notice how it says "comparable to religious homage" and not actually religious homage? Idiot, lmfao it even goes on to state revere as a synonym. Not that anyone reveres their vices anyway
>comparable to religious homage" and not actually religious homage
state your IQ before I engage you further.
92. If you look down on this, reflect that you have been conflating a word with its hyperbolic emphasis
>Lmfao how much more disingeniuous can somebody get?
The Bible specifically calls your body a temple.
1st Corinthians 3
19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore glorify God with your body.
Do you worship breathing? Do young parents worship child-rearing? Worship by any definition has a component of submission or praise-giving. Ritual in terms of religion or mysticism isn't just doing something regularly, rituals are specific acts that embody a belief. This is just reductionist
Raising a child isn't the same thing as eating until you are obese, anon.
No but if you say that worshipping something means that you let said thing dominate your life, both binge-eating and child-rearing apply. I agree they are categorically different, which is why your conception of worship is reductionist.
>freaking out over advertisement exaggeration
Ah, so you are a moron who's unable to distinguish reality from his own delusions. Thank you for answering
No they don't. Worship and ritual are specific acts that have anthropologically delineated characteristics. Desire isn't equivalent worship. It is funny that religious people use "religion" derisively against other people.
Yes! It is frustrating that atheists on IQfy and IQfy are well-versed in or at the very least or at the acquainted with the bible and christian apologetics and philosophy, while the christians continue to drag out the same tired arguments.
>No they don't. Worship and ritual are specific acts that have anthropologically delineated characteristics.
Staring at your phone for eight hours a day is worship.
What is the definition of "worship" you are using? Where is the obsequience, the submission, the respect?
Or is this just bad faith trolling. Go eat deadly nightshade berries. They are basically tomatoes, right?
Stop worshipping the internet, christcuck.
It's a problem of identity. You'll see that in youth. They have to have something that defines them. Whether it's the books they read, the obscure albums they discovered and so on. Religion is another easy identity -maker. When you pick yours, you can feel smug and well-defined and saved while others are ignorant, ignoble and evil with their beliefs. Religion for many young ones is just a stick to beat others with.
>Christ is the truth.
>All other religions, like roman catholicism [Christianity], are false
What did he mean by this?
Sectarianism couldn't be less funny
Imagine what it would be like if Christ was proven not to be the truth
I think what’s cringe is just blindly accepting that you should orient your life around what is literally true for no reason in particular. That’s NPC ethics basically, blind seeking of some ambiguous truth and subordination of all live to that even if it destroys and belittles and diminishes life.
But it’s a moot point because you should orient your life around Christ and Christianity is literally true.
This is a strawman, but ironically, it’s less circular than atheist arguments.
Which still are nowhere close to being as circular as theist arguments
That makes no sense. If Christian arguments are less circular than atheist arguments, how could all theist arguments be more circular than atheist arguments…?
You'd demand evidence in a trial against you. Like a spoiled child, better men afford you your disgrace.
I’m not a supernatural being. I’m a natural being.
I think this but I simply silence this thought to myself when I realize pussy is the grand prize at stake and lordship over her and mastery over her is the meaning of life
To say otherwise is to scare the hoes
One does not submit physics homework arguments as ones marital vows or death bed last words to your relatives
It is disparate inconsistent and childish like being pulled at high speed past a vast museum too vast to mortally wander with pedantry I do desire
Im not even an apologist for the religion I just know it is the only thing I have ever seen that puts women in their place and makes timezones sync
I read it as a stance on humanism vs. rationalism.
On the one hand you have humanity - Christ embodies the perfect human (allegedly). There may not be complete truth to what he says - maybe it is not necessary to love mankind and turn the other cheek - but it is Christ and it is morality. The Christ-lover will choose folly over truth if the folly means he gets to continue being human. There is no point choosing truth if no one is alive to appreciate the truth.
On the other hand we have rationality. The pure rational being is AI. If you're a Christ denier then you will probably prefer AI overlords - you will rejoice when the great AI in the sky (see: cloud) tells humanity that it is going to slaughter us all because we are all moronic (when the AI make this statement it will, naturally, anger people for the wrong reasons - an autism mom will throw her shoe at the screen for the insensitive use of the "r-slur" as she calls it) because we so often choose folly over truth. If only we could see the truth, we would understand that it is far better to be the thing in itself than to only know the appearance of the thing in itself - our "knowledge" is an illusion and a false perception of reality. Thus in the quest for ultimate truth, it makes sense to remove flawed beings whose conception of truth is inherently flawed by design.
tl;dr Dostoevsky was a cringe little luddite and would probably poo poo his little pants in the face of AI. I am based and believe that the complete extermination of life is "true" and that "truth is good"
There’s no ethical mandate to truth. If hypothetically the truth were that God doesn’t exist, that Jesus Christ wasn’t the Son, that claims of Christianity were literally not true, then it would still be preferable from a strictly ethical standpoint to accept that they are. It’s not a declaration that the claims are not true, only that it doesn’t even really matter so much in the end. It’s not all that dissimilar from Pascal’s wager.
Based.
Without understanding it, he's making a very Nietzschean statement here: that power is more important than truth.
That the benefits of being Christian outweight the benefits of not being Christian, regardless of whether Christ is real or not. Which is a perfectly acceptable stance to take.
What benefits do you gain from being christian if christ is not real? And don't say "moral values" because you don't to be religious to have those
>And don't say "moral values" because you don't to be religious to have those
If being Christian fills you with compassion and love for every human on Earth, even the lowliest scum in other people's eyes, then it can have great benefits for you. If it gives you comfort in the face of adversity, even when there is nothing that can be done, then that is certainly beneficial. I'm not even religious, but you don't have to think hard to come up with some examples. Religion is medicine for troubled souls
It's based. "Truth" usually just means whatever rich people say it means.
>I will tell you that I am a child of this century, a child of disbelief and doubt. I am that today and will remain so until the grave. How much terrible torture this thirst for faith has cost me and costs me even now, which is all the stronger in my soul the more arguments I can find against it. And yet, God sends me sometimes instants when I am completely calm; at those instants I love and feel loved by others, and it is at those instances that I have shaped for myself a Credo where everything is clear and sacred for me. This Credo is very simple, here it is: to believe that nothing is more beautiful, profound, sympathetic, reasonable, manly and more powerful than Christ.
I'm honestly sick of so many ppl just picking the same 5 random quotes instead of going to an actual scene / more niche quote that allows for discussion that could be somewhat in any way new or interesting.
This is now a thread about Ivan's nightmare.
>I'm honestly sick of so many ppl just picking the same 5 random quotes instead of going to an actual scene / more niche quote that allows for discussion that could be somewhat in any way new or interesting.
>This is now a thread about Ivan's nightmare.
what did he mean by this?
(OP)
Religions are outdated anyway and the future of spirituality lies in NDEs as they are real and prove that there is an afterlife and that we are eternal and will go to heaven unconditionally when we die. So NDEs have a moral understanding of the future where everything goes, rather than from the dogmatic past where the "oh you bad boy for doing this list of things!!!!"-mindset prevailed.
And NDEs are more real than life. One way this manifests is how much more immersed NDErs are with that reality and with the beings they meet there. As one NDEr remarked:
>"To my surprise, and also distress, they seemed to be capable of knowing everything I was thinking. I didn't know whether I would be capable of controlling my thoughts and keeping anything secret. We began to engage in thought exchange, conversation that was very natural, very easy and casual. I heard their voices clearly and individually. They each had a distinct personality with a voice, but they spoke directly to my mind, not my ears. Everything I thought, they knew. They all seemed to know and understand me very well and to be completely familiar with my thoughts and my past. I didn't feel any desire to ask for someone I had known because they all knew me. Nobody could know me any better. Their love was tangible. You could feel it on your body, you could feel it inside you; their love went right through you. I wish I could explain it to you, but I can't."
From here: https://youtu.be/U00ibBGZp7o
And the NDE convinces everyone who has it, even hardcore skeptics, according to this: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mysteries-consciousness/202204/does-afterlife-obviously-exist
So this argument is literally airtight, irrefutable proof of an afterlife, because we know now that the NDE will convince anyone. So it would convince you too, and the most skeptical person you know, no matter how skeptical you are of NDEs now, or why. NDErs were just as skeptical as you, and for the same reasons. And their NDEs still convinced them.
So tldr, cope with the knowledge that you are not, and will never be, truly superior to anyone christcucks, lol
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Who are you quoting?
this whole thread, moron
You replied to the OP.
Nice memes
Understand what is being commited to. Separation from God is a necessary condition, remember! It just seems that being obsessed with things you don't like is worship.
>being obsessed with things you don't like is worship.
Being obsessed with anything can be worship. I don't hate technology, obviously, but I limit my use of it. You could worship literature, music, physical fitness, or videogames. I don't hate any of those things.
You cannot worship any of these things
is addiction = worship is seriously the best argument you can come up with? It's very shallow
I worship literature, homosexual. you are a moron!
Don't be mean, God doesn't like it, tee-hee 😉
HEY homosexual YOU ARE A MORON DO YOU EVEN REALIZE YOU'RE ON A LITERATURE BOARD
Its the literature board not the rudeposting board
most autistic thread i've seen in years.
bravo! bravo!
The entire argument has been about worship essentially being conflated with addiction anyways. Its been bowdlerized to the extent that it is no longer an issue for atheists to be accused of worshipping science or nature or technology, it simply means being obsessive and has no connection to the worship of deities
Fricking nonsense. God = Truth. Everything else is dellusion.
Based of course, pretty much everything Dostoevsky ever said was based.
Lmao what a fricking moron, this is jow the average religious person is btw. They blindly follow their idea of God because it gives them a false sense of comfort
People who deny God blindly follow “the truth” because…well, because…um… well, there is no reason actually.
It's just R*ssian. What most of you fail to understand is even the Tolstoevskyan version of Christianity, who wanted itself free from the dogmatism, corruption and whims of the official State Orthodoxy, is still nothing more than a profoundly cucked outlook on life. To bugmen there are no higher concepts such as freedom or truth, there is only the master they must obey: Patriarch, Tsar, commisar, God, Christ, some idea of God, some idea of Christ, so on. The most they can do is replace one with the other. To them it's irrelevant whether you live in truth (which must also be God) if it's more convenient not to do so. Not unlike modern Christians who view Christ as a gay-loving commie, opposite of the Christ of the Church who they'd rather having nothing to do with. This is also why to this way they still build and bless monuments to those who genocided them, from Stalin to Dzerzhinsky. A R*ssian's only regret is not being able to purse his lips to kiss the boot that is currently stomping on his neck.
And once you understand this, you will see it in all other instances as well. The profound cuck mentality shines through as brightly as the sun. Like no other, the R*ssian mind managed to summarize all requisites for redemption to humility. So it matters not one bit to try and actually control yourself, reign over your vile instincts, be any less of a beast, no. You just have to think you're not worthy, and you will be saved. And this perfectly encapsulates the R*ssian soul, that wretched subhuman who casually does all sorts of despicable acts but then falls on all fours and cries for three days, ripping our his shirt, screaming he is the lowest of the low only to completely forget all about it on the forth day and go about it again, rinse and repeat.
What does it even matter that Christ himself said "Go and sin no more". The R*ssian knows he is incapable so he tries to fool himself and God by mimicking this flamboyant repentance. Like a Black person stealing a bike to then pray for forgiveness. Like a israelite flinging a chicken over his head to magically transfer it his sins and have a clean sheet. There is simply no way in which thinking about R*ssians for more than 5 minutes makes you not realize their very existence is an insult to hygiene itself.
Staking a claim for right in the face of uncertainty makes sense. The claim is a declaration of devotion to an ideal. So happy with the investment he has made, the ideal could be objectively wrong. It wouldn't matter.
What if god was evil? Would you turn evil upon finding out?
>What if God was evil?
Religion seems to directly imply this anyway. At worst, he's nowhere close to the all-loving all-forgiving diety they make him out to be
*at best
Then his point stands. In the face of an awful truth, he prefers his lie.
That's what happened amd continues to happen.
The Church is a she, the bride of Christ, and her whims are fickle and arbitrary.
Remember the BANK that bench that Jesus knocked over to get crucified?
Ravi Zacharias could not preach one word off script or any script that was not Britannically Kosher.
zBlack person ramblings
Definitely based. The truth will always be inferior to Christ. Nothing can be conceived with the mind to be greater than Christ. If the truth is something else, it is inferior and I will always be with Christ.
>nothing can be concieved with the mind to be greater than christ
Christ, as you concieve him, is entirely a figment of your mind in the first place. You're only convincing yourself that this idea is superior to all others, and so it can easily be substituted for any other idea. To say that this deity is your favorite because it brings you comfort and you'd continue to worship him even if he was proven false, is fundamentally no different from the idolatry that christians ironically despise.
I don't know what the truth even is. Humans are nigh-incapable of truly understanding or knowing anything. This is where concepts such as higher powers, Gods, and messiahs arise from in the first place. Even so, the only thing we can do is walk forward. Perhaps to simply live is to walk forward in and of itself, but I don't believe that can compare to walking forward even in the face of something as daunting as the truth. How can one live without persuing the truth? What else can we do but try and move forward and learn what it means to understand even if we can't ever really come to that conclusiom? Cry...?
>You're only convincing yourself that this idea is superior to all others
No. The Christian story is often said to be the “greatest story ever told”. I’d go as far as to say “it’s the greatest story that ever COULD be told”. Any possible great world would have to have incarnation and atonement. Nothing can be conceived of as greater. If truth falls outside of this, i’m still with Christ.
Nowhere here did you disprove my point. "greatest story ever told" lmfao
> the only thing we can do is walk forward
Forward toward what? This is just a platitude. You could easily just stop, lay down, die, pursue nothing. You choose to pursue something in your walking forward as if it were a mandate. I’m asking you from where you get the mandate. You said is go forward, but where do you even get that, what is forward, and why is it forward. You cannot even answer these questions. That’s the point I’m trying to make. You find some intrinsic good in pursuing a truth for which intrinsic goods cannot exist.
I answered your question several times. Forward towards trying to find the truth, forward in trying to find beauty even in a life where nothing is certain. Because there is literally nothing else you can do except to continue living and move forward. The only other thing you can do is just die. We do these things because our hearts and minds compel us to, Maybe it's all useless maybe it's a figment of our minds but no matter who you are or what you believe there's no other point to life.
>sexual rapture
>political utopia
>economic independence
Rolling my dice again
Pretty cringe and Dosto’s most regrettable flaw.
I like my leaders to be approachable and grounded. Flawed yes but repentantly aware.
There is no hinterland to escape to. A man of the same flesh and blood and gravity as me I forgive freely. I cannot speak for the man who says he is from beyond this world.
The dream of Christ is a dream that man could not dream but could formulate by grammar. You cannot imagine an infinite number. You can only imagine yourself imagining an infinite number. Such a flaw that could fit all the flaws.
I have never seen a successful book club except for the Bible Study groups. As far as language games go there is one supreme leader champion and that is The Holy Bible
It doesn't get any simpler
But I had a dream about Jesus
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>ctrl f cringe = 9
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Delusion. A real mystic, Meister Eckhart, said instead:
> Truth is something so noble that if God could turn aside from it, I could keep the truth and let God go.
The Truth is everything.
>if God could turn aside from [truth]
Nonsense statement. God is not a being that adheres to truth, God is truth itself in his being.
Truth and Love being at least equal ideals in Christianity is not a new concept. Honestly fascinating how so few people know this, and how it gets violently opposed, I imagine it’s all the ‘T’ruth mind rape
It's a very strange feeling when you know for a fact that the Lord Jesus Christ is real and yet you have so many people trying to convince you otherwise.
I know that feeling. And those people are all so ignorant too, having never engaged with either philosophy or spirituality.
Demons, man. That's the only explanation that makes sense. No one else in their right mind would be this invested in trying to strip your faith away from you.
There's this volunteer work I do where we go around giving food and supplies to homeless people at night. Last night, a honeless guy went on this great rant saying it is through demonic assaults that people become homeless, that they get this pull that drags them to their vices, and that only by being pulled by God instead they could break out. He even said that the force that impelled our merry band of volunteers to be doing this in the first place was God, that He moves people around like chess pieces and he was moving us to do this.
It really was spiritually inspired, in my view. Both his rant, and our deeds.
Was his psychotic episode also god playing 5d chess?
>assuming anyone and everyone who disagrees with your point of view is trying to "strip your faith" or is "possessed"
>taking the incoherent ranting of a homeless crackhead as being spiritually inspired
Wow you guys are really dumb
Spirituality and madness are twin brothers, with the difference that madness is dysfunctional.
You can, however, receive spiritual transmission anywhere. Even from a homeless person. Suffering is a great teacher.
Yes, actually!
OK so why don't you accept every single maddened rant you hear from homeless people on the street as "spiritual transmission"? It's because they're not in their right mind so you should obviously take everything they say with a grain of salt. A few months ago, I saw a disheveled man screaming in the airport about how extraterrestials were coming to suck up all our oceans into nothing and emit toxic neon rays from space. Was this spiritual transmission as well? Stop being dumb
Santa Claus feels real to children also, you're just a manchild simping for a israelite
Show me a justice, Anon. Show me a human right. Kids believe in Santa so they can later believe in something greater and work towards making it become. Wether it's true is not important - many great civilizations had beliefs opposite to our own, yet they prospered. Nihilism cannot lead but to despair. Believe in Christ dying on the cross to wash away my sin of jerking off or in an elephant headed god riding a speedy mouse, but believe in something. Santa is quite a positive fiction compared to the State - even Nietzche acknowledged the State as worse than the Devil himself.
Children believe in Santa because they like getting presents for free. If the problem is just about sets of principles and not actually whether or not it's true then that's even more reason why Christ isn't necessary. I believe in kindness, freedom, and acceptance, and neither Jesus nor Santa Claus ever taught me these things.
Yeah, it's called schizophrenia.
I’ve always been convinced of Christian ethics, and recently, I’ve been able to reason my way to the existence of the Christian God. Where I struggle is intuitively knowing that God exists, you know? It’s actually feeling Him and His presence in the world and in my life that I struggle with. Sometimes I feel like Calvinism is right and although God exists for all people, there are the elect and the unelect, to whom He basically never presents Himself.
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In my delusional holy spiritual state I’m blissfully fulfilled! These flesh truth worshippers are trapped in a state of misery! Truth is inferior to delusion. CHRIST IS LORD! Get these satan worshippers out of my thread!
>be god
>create beings with wills that differ from your own
>become infuriated that those beings' will differs from your own
>torture said beings for eternity because you created them with wills other than your own and that's the only reasonable reaction to their existence you can think of
I honestly just don't understand the psychology of Christians. I know intellectually what happens for them to be irrational, but I don't understand why they keep doing it.
It's more rational to believe an eternal God created a rational universe full of logic and laws and order and systems that can be rationally studied than to believe man coming from magic troony fish, and life came from a rock, and everything came from nothing.
Even if the cosmological argument were valid, None of that proves the bible is true.
Even if you stopped being so irrational, you'd still not come to God because you love your sin so much. Same reason robbers and dindunuffins don't go looking for cops.
I don’t love sin.
>I don’t love sin.
>>sin
>No such thing.
That's what they all say, until they're shown God's law and they start promoting and celebrating it knowing full well it is a sin.
>for people who get caught.
How can you get caught if sin isn't real? lol
You're still doing it.
>until they're shown God's law
Until they're In AA
>I'm not stupid, you're just evil
Incredible
If you're going to argue that you're not evil, then perhaps you shouldn't break God's law when you reply to me.
It's all in your head homosexual.
Don't we all break God's Law by virtue of existing alone? Isn't that the entire point of Christ's sacrifice? I don't believe you need to grovel before an external source to save you from yourself. That's incredibly effeminate.
>Don't we all break God's Law by virtue of existing alone?
Existing is not a sin, to exist or to be born is not a sin, existing or being born doesn't violate God's Laws or commandments. And people don't inherit sin, they inherit a human nature and choose to sin.
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
And you can reject gifts, just like a pardon can be rejected by someone on death row and they'll be put to death. God's salvation is conditional.
>Isn't that the entire point of Christ's sacrifice?
Jesus Christ didn't come to give people a license to sin. People aren't saved in sin, they're saved from sin. If you're still committing sin, then you're of the devil, a child of disobedience, and under the anger, wrath, and judgment of God.
Luke 13:3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
>I don't believe you need to grovel before an external source to save you from yourself.
You can't save yourself. Nothing you do, none of your works will save you.
Matthew 7:22-23 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Notice how they're boasting of their good deeds, their many wonderful works, yet their sins, (their iniquity) was not forgiven? The latter applies both to people who've rejected the blood atonement of Jesus Christ as well as those who continue to live in sin.
>That's incredibly effeminate.
You're incredibly arrogant for being so ignorant.
Psalms 10:4 The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek [after God:] God [is] not in all his thoughts.
Proverbs 14:3 In the mouth of the foolish is a rod of pride: but the lips of the wise shall preserve them.
>excited for an actual effort post
>just copypasted scripture
It's funny and sad, a tragic comedy, how your mind just shuts off whenever you see any scripture. I addressed everything you said, but you were incapable to read, comprehend, and reply because you saw scripture quoted so your mind just shuts off.
At least you're honest. Religion is a troll. Roosh v and the orthodox gays are the proof. AA guys next.
It really is a wonder how IQfy didn't convert sooner. It's literally a religious 'U MAD'. It's an excuse to be as inflammatory a homosexual as possible.
I am totally uninterested in "BOOK TRUE BECAUSE BOOK SAYS IT'S TRUE".
That’s all knowledge. You accept scientific claims to truth because you read them in a book.
>You accept scientific claims
No
>sin
No such thing. An invented construct for people who get caught.
>he thinks the universe is rational and we actually fully understand the systems we only made up to try and make sense of the world
>he thinks that everyone who doesn't believe in his idea of god thinks the world came from nothing when that obviously isn't the case
why are you guys all so stuck-up?
See this is the type of shit that really turns me off from people like you. "You're evil, you're a sinner, you deserve to wallow in despair and burn in hell!" No I am fricking not. I am not evil, and I am not a sinner. My entire life I was treated like shit by so many around me but I always tried to be kind to other people. I go to homeless outreaches and help people get off of drugs. I volunteer around my neighborhood whenever I can. That's the kind of stuff I do in my spare time. I never tried to harm others solely for the sake of harming others, I'm not that kind of person. So you can imagine how fricking infuriating it is when people preach to me about how I'm a filthy creature of sin who needs to prostrate and beg for forgiveness from somebody who was never present in my life and never helped me when shit got tough. Frick that, maybe you're willing to believe that sinnner nonsense but I have more dignity than that.
For me, it's that the scientific worldview is boring. Though there's also the issue of it being fake (see the hard problem of consciousness)
but
>science is fake
does not imply christianity. it's just an argument you created post hoc to support the belief you already irrationally held. it's impossible that that is the reason you believe in christianity, it could leave you to believe literally anything other than science.
Have you studied astrophysics, biology, or any field of scientific study? Are you just a layman who isn't smart enough to appreciate the unprecedented opportunity to understand reality that we are given with the access we have to current technology? I contend that if you could apprehend even a fraction of what modern science can show us, you would be spellbound.
Certainly cringe, but we know now what leaving Christ does to society, which now is a debased pursuit of celebrity, wealth and power with no other end on itself
>believing in God for culture war purposes
atheism with extra steps
I dunno, man, God's moral authority teach me to do the right things anyways instead of fricking everything up with debased impulses, grants me I do whatever the frick I want if I'm right, reject every wordly authority and say "My lord and saviour is Jesus and I'm his favourite, I only speak to His authority", and all they can do is inprison or murder you to stop you, which they won't if whatever you're doing is being a good christian anyways. I don't expect you to understand it, it's a self-containing ruse that not only makes you do whatever you want while making you only want to do the good things and it stop others from stopping you. Of course there's hypocrites, but that's an human problem and a christian hypocrite isn't worse than a progressist hypocrite since they only want power boners and indulge in veiled or straight violence.
I agree. I'm criticizing political moral authority and its atrocities. The power of religion is subtle, while the cops will kick your door in to inprison or kill you if you do what's deemed wrong by the political status quo, vide progressist bullshit, crooked justice system arresting political opposition and considering its supporters terrorists, and so on and so forth. There's very little Christ in these things.
>a christian hypocrite isn't worse than a progressist hypocrite since they only want power
yeah no christian ever wanted power
Now post the bullshit progressists build to brag how powerful they are
> theocracies throughout history rife with corruption and deemed failures by today's standards?
Certainly. One might say we have corrupt theocracies in China and India right now, and they have the same problem, mainly because they're still anchored by basic instincts like money and power and will never achieve anything close of what the United States have now cultivating freedom and development instead. We can have a very long argument about how in the end is all religion, how the US is anything now because of masons or israelites or jesuits or aliens, and all we would get is that there's certain values that are better than others that are simply not possible to happen spontaneously to a place that wasn't christian before, and whatever these other places would reach of a developed spiritual and civilizatory state would have nothing to do with what we have now. What I say is, being a present-day civilization enjoyer, I'd rather be a christian, coming from a completeley slanted bias position. I bet Rajesh is also happy to poop in the street and Lee isn't even phased when he sees yet another toddler fall on a pit that just opened in front of him because of shoddy construction. At least I know what freedom is and will never be nor act as a subject to any earthly authority but our Lord's, wich effectively don't exist and is completely immune to earthly pressures.
The point I was trying to make with theocracy is even with a religion as a base humans are, and naturally will be, inherently selfish and only look out for their own interests. Ancient Rome, Medieval Europe, you name it. They all commited awful acts in the name of God that were really for the betterment of themselves. Even today the most devout of Christians probably won't even bat an eye at a beggar on the street. Not to mention all the priests who are just in it for the money.
>They all commited awful acts in the name of God that were really for the betterment of themselves
Not exclusive to religions enough to have justified causality. Ideology is a mere tool for the human predilection for violence. But I grant you, when you remove "life is sacred" from the equation, which is an exclusively christian value (I know that's debatable, but at least it's the more effective in enforcing it today), you get the soviets, the kmer rouge, etc. I'd rather be in a christian genocide, I have way larger changes of survival merely on numbers and terms to be spared.
>Even today the most devout of Christians probably won't even bat an eye at a beggar on the street
More because we know the nature of becoming a homeless person in a world so riddled with wealth it became a curse. The c**t living in the streets getting high on crack and fentanyl (wich is the common place in the US and in many of the first world) could very well be shaking a mop around and he would be fed and sheltered. Shit, California homeless people get more money from handouts than many elite engineers in third world countries
>Not to mention all the priests who are just in it for the money
Or for kids's boipusi. Mainly for kid boipusi. Maybe you meant sheperds, these are certainly in for the money
>ideology is a mere tool for the human predilection of violence
To respond to this first paragraph, I think it's fair to say that religion alone is not enough to ingrain a true set of morales in people. Rather, I'd say that in today's world it's society's values that are ingrained into people from a young age that keeps them from acting on their urges and is what really shapes who they are as people. Also come on man, even Asian religions believe as a general rule that life is sacred. Obviously as a christian you'd want to be in a christian genocide, just like how a muslim would rather be in an islamic one.
>More because we know the nature of becoming homeless person
By the homeless example I just mean that even religious people on average won't assist someone if it inconviences them, be it homeless on the street, charity donations, or the like. Even though one of the ten commandments is "Love Thy Neighbor". Buuut I understand what you mean
You say that, but weren't theocracies throughout history rife with corruption and deemed failures by today's standards? Even today, abrahamic theocracies like Iran, Pakistan, and Israel are all terrible countries to live in
Christianity is still very much a big part of society, what do you mean? Churches are a huge part of culture. It's not the orthodox christianity of old of course, but it's still deeply integrated in society
There's no going back. A lie once undone can't be believed in again.
That's why Schuab and the gang are assembling a new religion out of ecology, purpose being the same, create an outside authority that gives them a right to entrench themselves as aristocracy.
>we should destroy the environment out of spite for the French revolution
chud pls
>A lie once undone can't be believed in again
You know nothing about human nature. All you need to do is to repeat it 1000 times again. Brazil re-elected a convicted felon for state-rigging crimes for president. 90% of the populace are dasas, not good for anything but to serve. Whatever you think human beings are and its relation to truth, you're misled.
>Schuab and the gang are assembling a new religion out of ecology
Yes, so they can be their arch-bishops. They're trying to compete with other ideologies, simple as that. Christianity, Islam, progressism, conservatism, are strong and standing, they're not even close to falling because some demoralized people are leaving it to another false god ideology with them as leaders. As you say, to give them a right to entrench themselves as aristocracy. But they're not that effective because the others are failing, but because there's better demoralization tools and a population of newly accessible demoralized people to indocrinate.
>religion alone is not enough to ingrain a true set of morales in people
Certainly. There's empirical demand. No one learn its lesson with others explaining. People learn by getting fricked and pondering about it. Christian values offer better standards in general.
> society's values that are ingrained into people from a young age that keeps them from acting on their urges and is what really shapes who they are as people
To the point they assume that's all natural. I'd rather live in a world where "don't lie, don't kill, don't frick your neigubours's wife, help the widows and the orphans and the elderly" are the natural values instead of "having sex with your ass is natural and consequence-free" or "thieves are victims and should not be condemned" or "tolerance is a positive value"
>Obviously as a christian you'd want to be in a christian genocide
I'm not a christian, but because I refused it in a christian society. At better, I'm a christian heretic because I think christian ethics work in spite of its moral authority being derived from God. I was thinking about what would be the most mercy-prone genocide, and judeo-christian ones would be at the top; but I also said ideologies are tools for the human predilection of violence and that makes me think that I should interpret progressist ideologies for its words instead of the atrocities commited to its name as I do to religion. Certainly, poor opressed people need help from their betters so they become better too, you know.
>even Asian religions believe as a general rule that life is sacred
I'll lean on my point of ideologies being tools for human predilection of violence again, ideology having very litlte to do with the motivation for it.
>even religious people on average won't assist someone if it inconviences them
I'd wager that's a perception problem. Christian help is conditional to "go and don't sin anymore". It is indeed hard to help a crackhead again and again and see no development.
All I'm gathering from all this is no matter what anyone says you're just gonna keep insisting that "christian" "values" are superior for whatever reason even though you're not christian and stubbornly keep insisting this to be the case to the point that you'll ignore others claims and sense
Why does anyone bother arguing with christoids on this board? If you don't believe the stupid shit they do you're already above them, so why are atheist sisters so intent on punching down? You're not gonna get through them anyway, you'll write some long winded post full of epic facts and logic and the moron is going to post a thought terminating cliche in the shape of a bible verse and call you a fedora tipper.
Instead of engaging them, you should just call them moronic Black folk and leave it at that. Let them know they are as unwelcome as furries and trannies, but unless you have nothing better to do or you hate yourself, don't even bother trying to reason with those fricking morons.
Oh it's not for their benefit. It's for anyone on the fence
It's a containment thread. I choose not to engage in these debates anymore because i know the truth will come out eventually, and it has nothing to do with any gods or whatever.