I use Atlas OS but have problems, so I will ask what the meta is. Not windows 11 based OS for sure, not ameliorated windows 10... if not LTSC than what?
question. I want to buy a mini PC, but for server proposes like seedbox, Minecraft, NAS, web server and some ocasional vm's, nothing much. doee overheat much, does consume lot of watts, and it is good to stay weeks or months turn on all the time? thanks
no, not rly (unless you are westerngay),yes(no hdd slots),yes, it will be fine turned on forever
I have had three mini pc and they all suffer from the same symptoms.
>huge power brick, at least the size of the PC itself, jesus christ >run hot and throttle under heavy load, can't do shit about the internal fan >good compatibility at first but no upgrade path 5 years later
The particular model you posted needs at least half a foot clearing on each side to prevent overheating. I speak from experience.
I have 1 miniPC and disagree with you.
The power brick is sizeable, but its to save overall cost. If they went with something like gallium nitride for power delivery it'd cost as much as a better laptop. Also, its a mini pc for minimal space on the desktop, put the power brick under your desk, why is the size of a power brick a negative to anyone on this planet?
They're laptop CPUs and a laptop cooling system. You shouldn't be doing "heavy loads" on a miniPC. It'll stream 4k, have discord, websites, and other normie bullshit without ramping up the fan at all. You're a dumbass if you bought the most compact PC possible and attempted to do actual heavy loads.
Again, its laptop hardware in a tiny box. What upgrade path are you wanting? Doubling RAM to do nothing? You can still upgrade the m.2 since that shit is getting bigger and bigger by the day, but why are you actually wanting to go from 2TB to 8TB?
I also have that exact model and its never been warm to the touch even while playing a game, accidentally streaming a 4k video, spotify running, and streaming to discord with chrome idling in the background all at the same time. Its why I think you're either moronic, or lying. Which is it?
MiniPCs are great; laptop hardware capable of doing quite a lot since performance gains over the years of computer hardware are fairly minimal. Silent running. Capable of putting out 4k video and lighterweight video games. Sips power, and comes in an attractive package.
I have a Dell USFF PC has a i3-8300T with an M.2 Sata.
I just use it for web browsing, youtube and watching movies.
i can have a dozen tabs open while watching a 1080p movie without ever hearing the fan spin.
it's on 24/7.
the only time i hear the fan is when someone is streaming from my plex while I'm watching a movie and have a dozen tabs open.
all while only using less than 60w. ( i think the 39w also includes the monitors. not sure)
lol less than 1 60w incandescent light-bulb.
question. I want to buy a mini PC, but for server proposes like seedbox, Minecraft, NAS, web server and some ocasional vm's, nothing much. doee overheat much, does consume lot of watts, and it is good to stay weeks or months turn on all the time? thanks
is this AI generated?
You know you can google "minipc model temp fan" on google and get 9 million people complaining
These are Excel and Word and cashier machines not webservers
Why would I google that when I own one and just never have a complaint myself. Its been beyond superb as a HTPC, light gaming, and general backup PC.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Post temps and fan noise in "light gaming"
1 month ago
Anonymous
Fan didn't even ramp up after playing a few hours of C&C remastered at 4k. Like I had to put my hand at the exhaust vent to feel any heat coming off the unit. And it was barely above ambient room temp. Warm for sure since even my laptop will spit out a little heat just idling.
Also, you're worried about fan noise while gaming? Do you play with the sound muted?
I've had 2 from minisforum that worked fine and stayed at a comfortable temps.
i made the mistake of buying a Beelink mini pc and it basically cooked its own NVME ssd to death and ran the processor at the tj max under even moderate load. The beelink also had some weird frickery going on with the BIOS where the secure boot would randomly enable and disable itself, although that could be related to it cooking itself for long periods of time.
I'm trying out a geekom a7 at the moment, it seems to be running fine so far, but time will tell.
Do you mean "windows 10" or do you mean "run lots of games on windows 10"? Because that PC is at least twice what you'd need for win10, but is kinda meh for gayman.
Look at this too.
https://www.bee-link.net/collections/mini-pc/products/ser7-7840hs-amd-ryzen%E2%84%A2-7-7840hs-65w-tdp-8-cores-16-threads-5-1ghz-pre-sale-from-august-23rd-to-september-6th
Same idea using Zen4 laptop APU.
ASUS PN50 here, it works
but the graphics could be better
i'm still skeptical about m.2 so i stay with SSD
after 2 years of same parts, it starts to slow down
their triple-display port also slows things down
minecraft with 280 mods slow it to a crawl though
definitely not a good idea to triple monitor while playing mc
but i have a Ryzen 7 4800U, now i'm considering anything over 5800U
But this is why the new Ryzen chips will sell like frick. The 8000 series are PERFECT for these small desktops.
And these are perfect for small workstations for people that don't need that much performance.
A step in the right direction. I hate large desktop cases. This size is much much better.
But until recently these have had frick all performance due to space limitations.
If they could make the GPU in these much much better, these will eventually replace things like PCI Express using GPUs for anything but high end computers and bitcoin miners (though frankly the latter might switch to these chips too if they figure out how to implement multiple chips on a single system).
Nvidia is literally on the ropes with ALUs now actually performing at all.
Though I will admit, people won't understand the 8000 series until it finally clicks.
>AMD APUs >Intel has GPUs, but could probably turn them into APUs now
I bet Nvidia will suffer dramatic losses very very soon, within the next 2-5 yrs when people start realising they're no longer relevant to pc builds as much as they used to be.
>when people start realising they're no longer relevant to pc builds as much as they used to be.
Yeah their $100mil arm of the company will lead to huge losses that their multi-billion dollar AI arm just cannot keep up with. >b-b-b-but other companies like intel, AMD, samsung, and many others are making AI hardware now too!
Let me know when they get anywhere near nvidia's performance and revenue as nvidia keeps getting better and better.
GPUs require CPUs to function.
Combining CPUs with GPUs should theoretically be more efficient for GPU purposes.
And one day, AI and mining corps will realise why APUs are the better alternative when they better understand what a bottleneck is.
I realize I don't know enough about my own question, but I've always wondered why high bandwidth memory and GPU isn't made on a singular die. Just 1 chiplet package on the motherboard, even directly soldered to it. Or even just regular ram soldered around the CPU to save space/money/efficiency. >you wouldn't be able to upgrade the CPU, GPU, or RAM!
I'm not a gambling person, but I'd bet a coke something like 98% of computer buyers never change those components anyway.
Adding RAM doesn't help much now, even adding ram to an older machine doesn't breathe new life into it.
I'd hazard a guess that no significant number of people bought an AM5 motherboard to use their AM4 CPU in actually upgraded years later
GPUs are a slightly different story because gaming computers can accept a new GPU quickly if you have the $600-2000 to swap it out.
BUT
My point still stands: nobody upgrades laptop RAM or CPUs. Nobody minds that your $1000+ cell phone has no upgradeable parts. Most consumers just use the computer until it simply stops working or is far too slow for what they need it for, then they buy another. Why aren't manufacturers accounting for this and making a cheaper-to-produce non serviceable motherboard with the APU and RAM, hell why not the hard drive SSD too directly soldered on?
1 month ago
Anonymous
Because they need to make money. So making more components to sell and jacking up the price is more money to them.
Centralisation is not as profitable as you'd think. We've literally had this problem in the past, specifically with motherboard components (think southbridge/northbridge).
But there is also some pragmatic reasons for not having one centralised thing.
Think usbs and peripherals. We don't want just 1 chip, we also want to connect the complex endless array of things that could connect to our pc.
But a GPU is not in that boat ay. It could definitely be combined more with the CPU and RAM. The fact that they're not already is kinda baffling to me.
SSD/storage is almost in that zone too, but people want a more malleable ability to switch their storage here, they like being able to remove storage.
Cloud won't replace this, we literally had something like cloud in the 60s and it wasn't pragmatic to centralise storage or processing.
Wireless interfaces are also almost in the zone, but again - we like connecting shit without interference on a wifi connection. That might never be overcome because of issues regarding wireless signalling unless wireless signalling becomes more analog or something like that.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I think I see what you're saying, but again that brings me back to the cell phone or apple argument: cell phones are not user serviceable or upgradeable, neither are mac laptops. Cell phone makers and Apple aren't seeing a problem. Yes they have to buy buy each component because google doesn't make the CPU, Ram, or even the motherboard for my cell phone. Same for Apple airbook mac pro max pluses.
But you brought up a good point: do I buy an Asus motherboard with 32gb of soldered memory core 7 15700 soldered on, and 2 m.2's for $1000, or a traditional board for $250 and spend another $800 on the other parts for the same overall PC? (made up numbers)
>chinkware with proven malware >cheap chink components >cheap chink comped bios >can't guarantee it will work after 2 years or 2 months >support is chink poor
I'm not sure
Anyone who hasn't gone insane yet has moved on to machines that have the graphics card soldered onto the motherboard or are using integrated graphics. APUs are the future in this crypto dystopia and not to mention that you will never build your own PC that is more power efficient than these mini pcs (fact).
Also imagine paying multiple hundreds extra out of your ass to some scalping homosexuals who make money off your misery to get a GPU LMAO.
Building your own computer is dead and that's a good thing.
ltsc hasn't been the meta in three years moronic redditisraelite
I use Atlas OS but have problems, so I will ask what the meta is. Not windows 11 based OS for sure, not ameliorated windows 10... if not LTSC than what?
Yes by far
But also
yes, it's more than capable. got any more questions that you could have googled?
Can I play fortnite
Yes
no, not rly (unless you are westerngay),yes(no hdd slots),yes, it will be fine turned on forever
Google's contextualization probably returned results like
>how to install windows 11
>why is your PC slowing
>best CPU 2024
Please sir run sfc /scannow
Hello sir thank you
Sirs, what about dism tools? Pls do the needful!
Can it run AutoCAD?
>beelink
enjoy your chinese botnet.
I have had three mini pc and they all suffer from the same symptoms.
>huge power brick, at least the size of the PC itself, jesus christ
>run hot and throttle under heavy load, can't do shit about the internal fan
>good compatibility at first but no upgrade path 5 years later
The particular model you posted needs at least half a foot clearing on each side to prevent overheating. I speak from experience.
I have 1 miniPC and disagree with you.
The power brick is sizeable, but its to save overall cost. If they went with something like gallium nitride for power delivery it'd cost as much as a better laptop. Also, its a mini pc for minimal space on the desktop, put the power brick under your desk, why is the size of a power brick a negative to anyone on this planet?
They're laptop CPUs and a laptop cooling system. You shouldn't be doing "heavy loads" on a miniPC. It'll stream 4k, have discord, websites, and other normie bullshit without ramping up the fan at all. You're a dumbass if you bought the most compact PC possible and attempted to do actual heavy loads.
Again, its laptop hardware in a tiny box. What upgrade path are you wanting? Doubling RAM to do nothing? You can still upgrade the m.2 since that shit is getting bigger and bigger by the day, but why are you actually wanting to go from 2TB to 8TB?
I also have that exact model and its never been warm to the touch even while playing a game, accidentally streaming a 4k video, spotify running, and streaming to discord with chrome idling in the background all at the same time. Its why I think you're either moronic, or lying. Which is it?
MiniPCs are great; laptop hardware capable of doing quite a lot since performance gains over the years of computer hardware are fairly minimal. Silent running. Capable of putting out 4k video and lighterweight video games. Sips power, and comes in an attractive package.
this.
I have a Dell USFF PC has a i3-8300T with an M.2 Sata.
I just use it for web browsing, youtube and watching movies.
i can have a dozen tabs open while watching a 1080p movie without ever hearing the fan spin.
it's on 24/7.
the only time i hear the fan is when someone is streaming from my plex while I'm watching a movie and have a dozen tabs open.
all while only using less than 60w. ( i think the 39w also includes the monitors. not sure)
lol less than 1 60w incandescent light-bulb.
question. I want to buy a mini PC, but for server proposes like seedbox, Minecraft, NAS, web server and some ocasional vm's, nothing much. doee overheat much, does consume lot of watts, and it is good to stay weeks or months turn on all the time? thanks
is this AI generated?
You know you can google "minipc model temp fan" on google and get 9 million people complaining
These are Excel and Word and cashier machines not webservers
Why would I google that when I own one and just never have a complaint myself. Its been beyond superb as a HTPC, light gaming, and general backup PC.
Post temps and fan noise in "light gaming"
Fan didn't even ramp up after playing a few hours of C&C remastered at 4k. Like I had to put my hand at the exhaust vent to feel any heat coming off the unit. And it was barely above ambient room temp. Warm for sure since even my laptop will spit out a little heat just idling.
Also, you're worried about fan noise while gaming? Do you play with the sound muted?
I've had 2 from minisforum that worked fine and stayed at a comfortable temps.
i made the mistake of buying a Beelink mini pc and it basically cooked its own NVME ssd to death and ran the processor at the tj max under even moderate load. The beelink also had some weird frickery going on with the BIOS where the secure boot would randomly enable and disable itself, although that could be related to it cooking itself for long periods of time.
I'm trying out a geekom a7 at the moment, it seems to be running fine so far, but time will tell.
>good compatibility at first but no upgrade path 5 years later
Its a minipc, what fricking upgrade path?
Do you mean "windows 10" or do you mean "run lots of games on windows 10"? Because that PC is at least twice what you'd need for win10, but is kinda meh for gayman.
Windows 10 ltsc and maybe a Linux distro like Slackware or Debian
Ofcourse. I'm using a 2600k with 8GB RAM and the iGPU as a HTPC with LTSC 2021 (1080p Plasma TV)
Look at this too.
https://www.bee-link.net/collections/mini-pc/products/ser7-7840hs-amd-ryzen%E2%84%A2-7-7840hs-65w-tdp-8-cores-16-threads-5-1ghz-pre-sale-from-august-23rd-to-september-6th
Same idea using Zen4 laptop APU.
First off . Second of all, unless I'm blind it doesn't list amount of RAM, a very important spec for Windows. If it's less than 8GB RAM I'd say no.
you can bring your own RAM + hard drive of choice
Pretty gay considering I got a Thinkpad t14 with the 4650u for $217
ASUS PN50 here, it works
but the graphics could be better
i'm still skeptical about m.2 so i stay with SSD
after 2 years of same parts, it starts to slow down
their triple-display port also slows things down
minecraft with 280 mods slow it to a crawl though
definitely not a good idea to triple monitor while playing mc
but i have a Ryzen 7 4800U, now i'm considering anything over 5800U
>ser5 pro
>5700U
No.
But this is why the new Ryzen chips will sell like frick. The 8000 series are PERFECT for these small desktops.
And these are perfect for small workstations for people that don't need that much performance.
A step in the right direction. I hate large desktop cases. This size is much much better.
But until recently these have had frick all performance due to space limitations.
If they could make the GPU in these much much better, these will eventually replace things like PCI Express using GPUs for anything but high end computers and bitcoin miners (though frankly the latter might switch to these chips too if they figure out how to implement multiple chips on a single system).
Nvidia is literally on the ropes with ALUs now actually performing at all.
Though I will admit, people won't understand the 8000 series until it finally clicks.
Windows 10 runs on core2duo. And fast
laptop core2duos are starting to get to 100% load on 720p youtube videos, there's that.
just use h264ify moron
>U
Anon, Don't
Yeah you need a G at least. Not a mobile APU.
While not good enough, they're still surprisingly meaty for mobile processors.
Still. The desktop 8000 series is a dramatic improvement for APUs. I'm not sure if Intel dedicated graphics comes even close to 8000G.
>AMD APUs
>Intel has GPUs, but could probably turn them into APUs now
I bet Nvidia will suffer dramatic losses very very soon, within the next 2-5 yrs when people start realising they're no longer relevant to pc builds as much as they used to be.
>when people start realising they're no longer relevant to pc builds as much as they used to be.
Yeah their $100mil arm of the company will lead to huge losses that their multi-billion dollar AI arm just cannot keep up with.
>b-b-b-but other companies like intel, AMD, samsung, and many others are making AI hardware now too!
Let me know when they get anywhere near nvidia's performance and revenue as nvidia keeps getting better and better.
GPUs require CPUs to function.
Combining CPUs with GPUs should theoretically be more efficient for GPU purposes.
And one day, AI and mining corps will realise why APUs are the better alternative when they better understand what a bottleneck is.
I realize I don't know enough about my own question, but I've always wondered why high bandwidth memory and GPU isn't made on a singular die. Just 1 chiplet package on the motherboard, even directly soldered to it. Or even just regular ram soldered around the CPU to save space/money/efficiency.
>you wouldn't be able to upgrade the CPU, GPU, or RAM!
I'm not a gambling person, but I'd bet a coke something like 98% of computer buyers never change those components anyway.
Adding RAM doesn't help much now, even adding ram to an older machine doesn't breathe new life into it.
I'd hazard a guess that no significant number of people bought an AM5 motherboard to use their AM4 CPU in actually upgraded years later
GPUs are a slightly different story because gaming computers can accept a new GPU quickly if you have the $600-2000 to swap it out.
BUT
My point still stands: nobody upgrades laptop RAM or CPUs. Nobody minds that your $1000+ cell phone has no upgradeable parts. Most consumers just use the computer until it simply stops working or is far too slow for what they need it for, then they buy another. Why aren't manufacturers accounting for this and making a cheaper-to-produce non serviceable motherboard with the APU and RAM, hell why not the hard drive SSD too directly soldered on?
Because they need to make money. So making more components to sell and jacking up the price is more money to them.
Centralisation is not as profitable as you'd think. We've literally had this problem in the past, specifically with motherboard components (think southbridge/northbridge).
But there is also some pragmatic reasons for not having one centralised thing.
Think usbs and peripherals. We don't want just 1 chip, we also want to connect the complex endless array of things that could connect to our pc.
But a GPU is not in that boat ay. It could definitely be combined more with the CPU and RAM. The fact that they're not already is kinda baffling to me.
SSD/storage is almost in that zone too, but people want a more malleable ability to switch their storage here, they like being able to remove storage.
Cloud won't replace this, we literally had something like cloud in the 60s and it wasn't pragmatic to centralise storage or processing.
Wireless interfaces are also almost in the zone, but again - we like connecting shit without interference on a wifi connection. That might never be overcome because of issues regarding wireless signalling unless wireless signalling becomes more analog or something like that.
I think I see what you're saying, but again that brings me back to the cell phone or apple argument: cell phones are not user serviceable or upgradeable, neither are mac laptops. Cell phone makers and Apple aren't seeing a problem. Yes they have to buy buy each component because google doesn't make the CPU, Ram, or even the motherboard for my cell phone. Same for Apple airbook mac pro max pluses.
But you brought up a good point: do I buy an Asus motherboard with 32gb of soldered memory core 7 15700 soldered on, and 2 m.2's for $1000, or a traditional board for $250 and spend another $800 on the other parts for the same overall PC? (made up numbers)
>AtlasOS
It'll be enough for you to run this.
Yes
>chinkware with proven malware
>cheap chink components
>cheap chink comped bios
>can't guarantee it will work after 2 years or 2 months
>support is chink poor
I'm not sure
Anyone who hasn't gone insane yet has moved on to machines that have the graphics card soldered onto the motherboard or are using integrated graphics. APUs are the future in this crypto dystopia and not to mention that you will never build your own PC that is more power efficient than these mini pcs (fact).
Also imagine paying multiple hundreds extra out of your ass to some scalping homosexuals who make money off your misery to get a GPU LMAO.
Building your own computer is dead and that's a good thing.
I want the m3 or m4 mac mini to come out already