Is this or Helter Skelter the best book on the Manson family and the murders? I'm not crazy interested in it but just want to know a little more than "crazy hippie convinced a bunch of other hippies to kill a bunch of people"
Is this or Helter Skelter the best book on the Manson family and the murders?
Look up all references to him in McGowan's book on Laurel Canyon
McGowan is basically fiction
Chaos better and it makes a convincing argument about Helter Skelter and it’s author being full of shit
Chaos is better than Helter Skelter but it's also trying to reach for a CIA connection that doesn't actually exist.
It is kind of ironic given the name of the book. The impression it gave me was one of not a grand conspiracy but a multitude of minor ones, often going no further than one or two people. A complex of converging, diverging, and conflicting vectors of self-interested parties, some low some high, some mundane some more esoteric, some idealistic others careerist, all trying to one-up the guy next to them. Manson being one of them, but also a guy who found himself both at home in, and subjected to, these forces.
The author is obsessed with finding the slam dunk eye in the pyramid that ties it all together, all the while making a much stronger case for Chaos.
I haven't read any other works on the Manson family and the murders, but this book was frickin' gold, I tell you!
I watched the podcast with the author, then got the book which I read in less than three days.
Prior to that, I'd had zero interest in the Manson story, and this book completely blew my mind!
Well worth the read for first timers
I haven't read Chaos, but i did pick up Helter Skelter after Hollywood came out and the whole book felt like Bugliosi was under the impression that the potential readers are also members of the jury that he needs to convince from the tone of the book.
I read Helter Skelter and Tex Watson’s book called Cease To Exist, and I felt I got a good overview of Manson. I’m not as interested in conspiracyslop or psychologyslop.
By design you aren’t interested in that. You believe it’s all fake because someone’s pointed out the conspiracy
Can you makes this post coherent please?
“Conspiracy theory” is a buzzword they use to discredit those who discover actual fricking conspiracies.
Bingo. Falls in line with the same individuals who think fact checking websites aren't all owned by globalists to convince them claims have been 'debunked', which is yet, another buzzword to discredit.
A large portion of the book is basically detailing inconsistencies with the helter skelter narrative and attempting to make the case that bugliosi lied about what actually occurred during his time as the prosecution.
would you consider that nonsense babble or as a positive to the book?
The reasoning seemed compelling to me but I haven't ever read helter skelter. I really liked Chaos. The author isnt able to draw many conclusions but is able to point out a lot of problems with the "official" narrative of the manson murders. Its a really interesting book and pretty easy to read so I'd recommend it.
Chaos obviously because it's more recent and not written by *checks notes* the fricking prosecutor who covered up the actual investigation
Chaos is written by an author who couldn’t close the story because he didn’t have it. Eventually he had to publish something because he was in debt. It’s not a finished work and it doesn’t have a ready case to make. It’s overly long and unfocused.
The reason people are intrigued is because it points a finger at the CIA and picks apart mistakes the Helter Skelter author made (and he was a shitbag to boot using the case and book to advance his stature spouting bs about whatever for a dose of fame or cheque).
There’s no definitive book written on the case.
>There’s no definitive book written on the case.
what would you say the closest to that is? You said Chaos has a bunch of shit in it but is there enough to at least have more knowledge about the case than 'manson was a nut'?
>the CIA is le bad and is behind every bad thing that has ever occurred