It must suck being a devout Catholic

when your pope clearly isn't.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    High and low against middle

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I spout vile heretical thoughts in my parish homie, I be spreading early Church doctrine my man, I do be arguing for Marcionism G
    You can not stop me and you better hide yo kids and hide yo wife, cuz I be converting everybody out there

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We're used to that, it's usually zoomers and fanatics that get paranoid about this

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Explain
      Also see my captcha

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Catholicism is very old and we've had many bad popes along the way, they come and they go, no need to stress so much over it. Most people didn't even know what was going on in the Vatican before modernity.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    He published a document which stated the the Church condemns homosexual relations

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      While moving it towards approving of them in everything but name. Then the next guy removes that last obstacle and approves of it in name too, saying "we're already doing it".

      It'll be just like capital punishment.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >While moving it towards approving of them in everything but name.
        Yes somehow the Pope condemning homosexuality is him actually accepting it

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's the slope Catholicism is always on where it bends to whatever the dominant culture says
          It starts with "well they deserve legal coverage...well that legal union should be blessed..." and soon you've got full-on approval of gay marriage.

          Same cycle with now it being "all Catholics must oppose the death penalty". Same cycle with evolution. Same cycle with "OK so you actually can be saved as part of other religions". Rome always cucks out on absolutely everything and moves to the Left.

          In a few decades they will be saying transgenderism is the same as transubstantiation.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But evolution is just a scientific fact and if you deny it you are objectively wrong.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is the prohibition against gay sex what 90 per cent of conservative Christianity revolves around while all stuff about concern for the poor is basically ignored?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      save soul before saving body

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Of all sins, why is that always THE thing? There are plenty of other sins of similar magnitude that hardly anyone cares about.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          because nothing screams blasphemy like homosexuality. it is orders of magnitude worse than any other mundane sin of the flesh.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            because the purpose of the flesh is to exist and to perpetuate its existence through procreation. by rejecting the purpose of the flesh, you reject the purpose of God's creation and damn yourself so completely that you need serious help to get back to the path.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So celibates are just as bad as gays then? Maybe you should tell the Pope that.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because the holy spirit is so readily perverted by the flesh it is enlightened to cease its transmission and to so end the corruption of the fallen. But that is not required and simply procreating as the flesh was intended is not itself necessarily out of alignment with God's purpose for the flesh which the holy spirit inhabits.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Because the holy spirit is so readily perverted by the flesh
            This sounds kinda heretical ngl

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The blasphemies against God's creation which are enabled by the flesh being a habitation of the holy spirit are boundless and that is why the fallen were rightly judges so harshly for tainting creation with evil.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            are you the dude cribbing white people being descended from the gods from asatru and shoving it into christianity? the "we wuz nephilim" guy?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            that is not quite how it is but if you did understand then you would know it explains everything and lays bare all the mysteries.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bergoglio's ideology concerning sex is the traditional Catholic stance: it's always bad, as per Aquinas it's never possible to have nonsinful sex. The condition for getting una benedición de parejas (I only consoooom Catholic content in Spanish idk what Catholics call this in English) is that you aren't engaging in sexuality of any kind. This is the same as in el sacramento del matrimonio (yes, you aren't supposed to practice premarital sex, this is why it's called "living in sin"). So, no, it's literally the opposite, the problem sucking dick is that it's sex and sex is bad. You're supposed to be celibate. This is also why it's merely una benedición and not un sacramento, because there's no expectation of sex after the marriage (yes, you are not supposed to have sex when married, you just do a premptive confession and forgiving of sins to allow for reproduction).

            The anon that you are responding to is just regurgitating Paganism, that's not what the Vatican teaches nor has it ever taught that, what I've said above is Catholic doctrine and the Pope has affirmed this ex cathedra.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Exactly. Everyone knows it would be ridiculous and disproportionate to spend the amount of energy heaping on masturbators and people who have extra-marital sex as the Christian right does over homosexuals. Plus they're well aware that in this day and age only exceptionally devout people would come out clean. Its not that rainbow flags should be adorning churches or anything, but it just really shouldn't be the issue its made out to be.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            dobles de verdad

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          there aren't that many things God calls an abomination

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Chrstians give more to charity and do more to help the poor than literally any other religion.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not enough. So-called Christian nations actively contribute to gross inequality globally. And there are a large number of these so-called Christians who don't see this as being as big of an issue as things like homosexuality. In fact they enthusiastically vote for right wing parties that they know will widen the gap between rich and poor because they're obsessed with media driven culture wars nonsense hyping up inane moral panics.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          why would a christian vote for liberal homos?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Preferential option for the poor

            >In fact they enthusiastically vote for right wing parties that they know will widen the gap between rich and poor because they're obsessed with media driven culture wars nonsense hyping up inane moral panics.
            But the Pope is telling people ex cathedra to vote for Left Wing parties and to support Climate Change Activism. The Bishops of Germany publicly declared voting for AdF to be a sin.

            Good

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            what is this lukewarm bible sunday school of "ye man just give all you have to the poor gypsies and shit, no idc about sin of flesh nor abortion and other satanistic practices"? If all you got from bible is that you should not worry about morals as long as you feed some hobos who never worked a day in their life than it's bad

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You'd be doing a lot better if you went out and volunteered for the homeless than complaining about gays on the internet.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Gays are non issue in my country as homosexual weddings are unconstitutional. I am just telling you that if you don't care about morals/soul why do you care about flash?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think homosexual sex isn't a sin. But I don't think its this scary ultra sin akin to literal satanism that deserves such a vast amount of attention. At the very least you could make just as much noise about masturbation and pre-marital sex, and heap just as much bile on people who engage in those things, but then I don't imagine you'd get far with that if you managed to even live up to your own standards.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Homosexuality is called and abomination, I do think both masturbation and pre-marital sex is also bad and am against it

            Catholic here, are you like, legit stupid? Like, is your knowledge of Catholicism from movies or something? I can't believe anybody would be this ignorant about the Church to make a statement like yours about a post where the Pope ACTUALLY TELLS PEOPLE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

            Let me guess, you're a right wing fundamentalist Christian who thinks all liberals are going to hell. And no, last time I went to church was Sunday.

            people of the same sex can't have romantic love

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >In fact they enthusiastically vote for right wing parties that they know will widen the gap between rich and poor because they're obsessed with media driven culture wars nonsense hyping up inane moral panics.
          But the Pope is telling people ex cathedra to vote for Left Wing parties and to support Climate Change Activism. The Bishops of Germany publicly declared voting for AdF to be a sin.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >embrace communism you christian fascist chuds

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Jesus never promised to eliminate poverty, and in fact told us the poor will always be with us. You sound like a Marxist given by how you see population as a metric and not as the individual people. You're not concerned with caring for the poor but in removing certain social classes.
          >7 There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat.

          >8 But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste?

          >9 For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor.

          >10 When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.

          >11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
          > Matthew 26:7-11 KJV

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >and in fact told us the poor will always be with us
            This is true, this world will never be free of suffering and evil. But that doesn't mean we aren't obliged to do our best.

            Christ's anointment was a very specific event preceding the crucifixion. The fact the disciples wanted to sell the ointment and give the money to the poor suggests this is what they usually would have done.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            why are you so set on only doing one of the things God commands us to do? why only feed the poor? why can't we have moral society?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't like your line of argumentation because it excuses homosexuality on the grounds that anyone who criticizes its practitioners are themselves not in all ways perfect.

            I may be the accuser but I only accuse justly.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you don't need to be perfect to say doing something is sinful and bad

            Its not the only thing. But in terms of pressing global issues that there's clear Christian teaching on its worthy of vastly more attention than gay people are. All things considered, I have a lot of respect for Pope Francis and I think the hatred that gets heaped on him by so-called traditionalists and conservatives because he isn't spitting fire and brimstone rhetoric over their pet issues is actually deeply obscene.

            don't care about "pressing global issues", I care about God and he didn't tell us to ignore morals which Francis clearly ignores

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >don't care about "pressing global issues"
            This is you ignoring morals

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it's not, why should I care about secularist bullshit?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its not the only thing. But in terms of pressing global issues that there's clear Christian teaching on its worthy of vastly more attention than gay people are. All things considered, I have a lot of respect for Pope Francis and I think the hatred that gets heaped on him by so-called traditionalists and conservatives because he isn't spitting fire and brimstone rhetoric over their pet issues is actually deeply obscene.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He's changing a lot of things. For example, he says the death penalty is immoral when that would be calling God immoral.

            The argument for the death penalty in picrel is good IMO

            "The death penalty can’t be all that bad. After all, our Salvation as Catholics came about through the Death Penalty, the seeds of the Church were sown in the blood of martyrs through the death penalty, and criminals know the hour of their death to covert because of it, too."

            Lots of Catholics are going Sede for a reason.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Rule of thumb, if you're speaking from the POV of the people doing the martyring, you're in the wrong.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He's saying it was God's plan and led to good therefore it was not a bad thing. If the death penalty didn't exist, neither would our salvation.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is getting into "Judas was doing a good thing actually" territory

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Except God commanded the death penalty. God didn't command Judas. Thus, the death penalty isn't intrinsically wrong. God also put Pilate into power so His will be done.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Also, the death penalties prescribed in the Old Testament were in a specific situation involving a relatively small, primitive society living according to a direct covenant with God. A modern secular state dishing out the death penalty isn't the same thing at all.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Chrstians give more to charity and do more to help the poor than literally any other religion.
        and what have you given?

        >about concern for the poor is basically ignored?
        What do you mean by "the poor"? And what are your classifications for 'concern'? Do you expect the Church to financially lift everyone out of poverty and into the middle class akin to Build Back Better false promises or other government welfare agencies that cannot live up to what they claim? A majority of soup kitchens and food drives are done by Christian organizations, as well as homeless shelters.
        [...]
        >So-called Christian nations actively contribute to gross inequality globally.
        Ahhhhh, I see. So this isn't about actual tangible results in providing genuine provisions for those in need, but in inflating artificial metrics to look presentable on a spreadsheet. I honestly don't really care about whatever documents you want to look good on paper because that fundamentally is not important, what I do care about is that the poor are shown that God cares about them.

        same question to you

        >Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor
        >*nasal Ben Shapiro voice pipes up from the back of the crowd* um, acktually, what do you mean by "the poor"?

        it really is shocking how many "christians" on IQfy are petrified of doing good deeds

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >and what have you given?
          You're acting like a pharisee
          >9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
          >13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
          >14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >and what have you given

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >"charity"
        >is either a homeless org that doesn't actually help homeless people
        >or is a foster agency for african children, but actually just abuses or kidnaps them instead

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Those are just charity organizations which mostly are scams. I’m sure you give money to people in your congregation who need help with their mortgage, groceries, medical expenses, or something else.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You, you do know there are some charities and Christian organizations that actually do help people right? Not every single one of them is just a scam.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >about concern for the poor is basically ignored?
      What do you mean by "the poor"? And what are your classifications for 'concern'? Do you expect the Church to financially lift everyone out of poverty and into the middle class akin to Build Back Better false promises or other government welfare agencies that cannot live up to what they claim? A majority of soup kitchens and food drives are done by Christian organizations, as well as homeless shelters.

      Not enough. So-called Christian nations actively contribute to gross inequality globally. And there are a large number of these so-called Christians who don't see this as being as big of an issue as things like homosexuality. In fact they enthusiastically vote for right wing parties that they know will widen the gap between rich and poor because they're obsessed with media driven culture wars nonsense hyping up inane moral panics.

      >So-called Christian nations actively contribute to gross inequality globally.
      Ahhhhh, I see. So this isn't about actual tangible results in providing genuine provisions for those in need, but in inflating artificial metrics to look presentable on a spreadsheet. I honestly don't really care about whatever documents you want to look good on paper because that fundamentally is not important, what I do care about is that the poor are shown that God cares about them.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor
        >*nasal Ben Shapiro voice pipes up from the back of the crowd* um, acktually, what do you mean by "the poor"?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.
          thoughts?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >concern for the poor
      woah woah woah buddy, relax with that one. us devout IQfy christians just use christianity as a tool to justify our hatred of minorities. we're not doing that "actually making a difference in our communities" bullshit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you are moronic, nobody says you shouldn't help the poor but that you have to follow other stuff as well
        >

        >Chrstians give more to charity and do more to help the poor than literally any other religion.


        and what have you given?

        [...]
        same question to you

        [...]
        it really is shocking how many "christians" on IQfy are petrified of doing good deeds
        give more to charity and do more to help the poor than literally any other religion.
        and what have you given?
        good deeds shouldn't be shouted out in a sense that "look at me I am donating what a christian thing to do"

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >and what have you given?
          You're acting like a pharisee
          >9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
          >13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
          >14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

          so you've given nothing. got it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I give money to anyone that needs it be it hobo or anyone else, now tell me why it's the only issue you guys are concerned about?

            >nobody says you shouldn't help the poor but that you have to follow other stuff as well
            don't play dumb anon. you're a larp and you fricking know it. you're like every other modern christian that picks and chooses what parts of the bible they believe in. you want to engage with the parts where jesus sends all the people you don't like to hell and ignore the parts that say you need to help the smelly brown people that lives under the interstate bridge.

            the shit you are reacting to I said that you should help even those but not forget there are also moral problems concerning the soul, so no I do not think I "larp" or choose parts, I actually do support the poorer and also uphold the moral teachings at the same time without having to resort to sound like butthurt commie redditor seething about social injustice

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >nobody says you shouldn't help the poor but that you have to follow other stuff as well
          don't play dumb anon. you're a larp and you fricking know it. you're like every other modern christian that picks and chooses what parts of the bible they believe in. you want to engage with the parts where jesus sends all the people you don't like to hell and ignore the parts that say you need to help the smelly brown people that lives under the interstate bridge.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have said it before but it bears repeating that if you can not see plainly that homosexuality is not in alignment with the purpose of the flesh which your holy spirit inhabits then you are only screaming to the elect that you are in league with evil forces.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >chuds not only lost support of most western governments but also the worlds largest religion
    When wil Chuds give up and just accept that this is simply the future most people want?

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The sedes don't feel their faith shaken at all.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Quite true. Muslims are not the brothers and sisters of Christians but they are according to the pope somehow.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Catholic here, are you like, legit stupid? Like, is your knowledge of Catholicism from movies or something? I can't believe anybody would be this ignorant about the Church to make a statement like yours about a post where the Pope ACTUALLY TELLS PEOPLE TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER.

    Let me guess, you're a right wing fundamentalist Christian who thinks all liberals are going to hell. And no, last time I went to church was Sunday.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    DoctorGreen

    >media says Pope said thing
    and we trusted them media. they wouldn't dare twist things

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Now you know why protestants exists.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The problem is that Rome was extremely prideful and believed itself to be the center of the world, until Luther utterly raped the Church, that hurt their ego and gave them an identity crisis, and it's been a downward spiral ever since

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