its history prior to becoming a superpower around 1943 is unironically quite boring except between 1861-1865

its history prior to becoming a superpower around 1943 is unironically quite boring except between 1861-1865

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it's a big snooze from 1865 to 1941 but everything befote then was kino

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It was a big snooze before that too. It literally reads like a diet kids-friendly version of Europe.
      >the famed “Great Bleeding of Boring Flyover State” led to 3 white men killed in fisticuffs, 2 whites killed in a revolver duel, 2 free Black folks lynched and 80 Cherokee indians deported westwards
      Zzzzzzzzz…
      And no, before some mutt starts malding, I’m not trying to denigrate america. America is, by and large, has been/was a far more impressively prosperous and stable entity than all of Europe by far for long time. Also there have been some kino moments in between civil war/superpower status (the phillipines war was kind of like America’s Asian version of the UK’s Boer Wars) but I’m just making the objective observation that its history just isn’t really that fun to read before WWII and outside the civil war.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Canada's history was a lot more stable overall. The US and its predecessors fought three centuries of Indian wars, including some notable defeats.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >bro history is all about massacres and genocide bro
        You must be 18 to post here anon

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is all you read about war?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah it’s objectively the only thing worth reading about this is indisputable

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        In other news, how's high school?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I dispute this, ergo your post is objectively false.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        kek 10/10

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Gender history
          reddit meme

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >History is a linear process
          This is generally true, but whatever, not really a hill worth dying on.
          >History is American/Eurocentric
          The majority of written history is European, so that's objectively true.
          >military history
          That's most of what history is. Economic and social changes always lead to war one way or another. What humans choose to fight for will always be infinitely more impactful than what we choose not to.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The majority of written history is European, so that's objectively true.
            According to what?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          how does supporting a pedophile warlord death cult make you a better historian?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >views history as a linear process
          i'm aware it can have cyclical patterns and i'm aware several major civilizations/cultures think more cyclically
          >Civ V
          no
          >EUIV
          no
          >CKII
          no
          >Total War Rome II
          no
          >War Thunder
          yes i've been a plane autist since age 7
          >dan carlin
          i hate his gay fake-badass voice
          >lindybeige
          boring
          >historia civilis
          yep i like him for casual listening while on the treadmill
          >Historical interests very American/Eurocentric
          no i enjoy learning about South/East Asian topics just as much if not more
          >just accumulates facts and anecdotes
          yeah
          >deus vault
          plebbit cringe
          >idolizes warrior culture
          no, the Spartans were dumb as shit concerning everything outside of spearing people and the Japanese are not particularly profound thinkers either
          >takes one history class in college
          i took 3 in years 2-4
          >only likes military history
          i find the history of wartime economics just as interesting
          >might read basic "pop history"
          does Absolute War by Chris Bellamy count as pop? if it's pop history then it's on the heavier side of pop history, that's the last book i read but i unironically enjoy reading JSTOR articles more than books per se

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Views history as a linear process
          This is your standard whig/Marxist view though, college professors are more likely to believe this than someone who plays military videogames.
          >Islam
          I don't see how you can study any history at all and not hate Islam. The Islamic Golden Age was a meme, for the most part Islam destroyed any civilization it came into contact with and homogenized or destroyed hundreds of cultures and ethnicities around the world.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't see how you can study any history at all and not hate Islam
            this. Muslims were always and always will be dumbasses who sacrifice any genuine innovation for the sake of piousness.
            While Christian thinking eventually became three-dimensional and far more flexible, giving birth to daring and dynamic strategy from a distance, while muzzies kept plodding along across the sandy wastelands with sword in hand, expanding Dar-Ul-Islam by just conquering more territory. Muslims are not intelligent people. The only reason the entire Muslim world outside of Southeast Asia isn't as poor as Africa is because of oil wells that they hire westerners to maintain for them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What is an "actual history book"? Is this meme really trying to suggest you didn't learn anything if you didn't read it out of a college textbook?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I would guess it means something with proper academic sources rigorously compiled into a well supported study or narrative. Pop history is more often reliant on dubious sources or speculation tenuously roped together into a narrative the author is invested in.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >you HAVE to care about gay black women in 19th century Georgia!!
          >anything else isn't real history!!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Gender history
            reddit meme

            >immediately focuses on gender ignoring all the others
            I have bad news for you.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I agree, even the revolution is kinda tiresome. Excerpts about frontier life during the late 19th century is interesting though.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It was a superpower long before that. It was a superpower at least at the turning of the 20th century

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Colonial history is comfy and interesting

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The Old West and Indian wars are far more interesting than the gay US civil war

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it may be boring and unexciting
    but it was comfy and pretty nostalgic for us
    too bad we sold all of that away
    >tfw you'll never live during the Era of Good Feelings

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    only ~1880s-now are kino because they got some immigrant spice around then. Before that it was just ybois

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Non-Americans, what are your thoughts on American history? Favorite moments?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      australian here, always jealous of your guys colonial history especially in comparison to ours. founding fathers are kino and the revolutionary war as it exists in popular culture is cool as frick. pretty much everything from the Mayflower to WWII is just kino to me.

      cowpens flag best flag btw

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >colonial history
        Beating up Spain and taking their shitty islands isn't really that interesting. Now the Indian Wars. Those were fun.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i like the US's role in WW1. read this a while back

      https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/american-army-and-the-first-world-war/C8C4A39A21CCB3C8682349A1797F96A7

      Contrary to what you guys would like to believe, the AEF was not a particularly competent fighting force compared to the French, Germans or British, in fact they were a completely clumsy shitshow, but they still had enough drive, spunk and most importantly food to get the job done
      IMO it's more kino than the US during WWII. i don't have anything to justify that, just a personal preference

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Contrary to what you guys would like to believe, the AEF was not a particularly competent fighting force compared to the French, Germans or British
        I don't really see my fellow Americans arguing otherwise, everyone agrees that Americas performance in World War I pales in comparison to the Second World War. The US didn't even have a modern rifle during the war, the Thompson, designed to sweep trenches, did not even end up seeing actual combat, leaving Americans relying on trench shotguns (much to the chagrin of the Germans), 1911s, and M1917 Enfields (American made copy of the Lee-Enfield chambered in .30-06)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't really see my fellow Americans arguing otherwise, everyone agrees that America's performance in World War I pales in comparison to the Second World War
          i've seen plenty of American chest-thumping about being the biggest baddest Devil Dogs of WWII, which i guess every country is entitled to, even though American troops' psychological ability and competence to withstand something like the French did at Verdun is highly doubtful.

          there's some kekworthy ripple effects of that chest thumping too. One of the reasons Europe during WWII was exclusively an army show was because Marshall was so assblasted about the Marines massively overstating their contribution to Belleau Wood in the last war that he swore no Marines would ever fight in Europe

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >its history prior to becoming a superpower around 1943
    America did not become a superpower in 1943, it was already a superpower prior to this. The US became the largest econmomy in the world around the 1880s thanks to the explosive growth of industry brought on by the completion of the transcontinental railroad

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nah it's great and the post-Civil War/Gilded Age is probably the most interesting period of American history.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm not even American and this is wildly untrue. US history is fascinating.

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