It's so tiresome...
and none of them replied to me
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>not customizing each email to appeal to the specific company
anon...
bro I don't have frickin time to write for 100 companies one by one while I'm also doing a project in college rn
You'd have an easier time getting in if you actually appealed to the companies you're applying to, copy paste type applications go into the bin, also you might have some better chances directly talking to them through linkedin
You're a CS student. Automate it. This is literally boomer-tier office work. "Mail merge". If you can't even do that you're not qualified for any position.
But automating it beats the point of optimization.
get fricked then.
I have a rule, never more than 5 companies at a time with a tailored internet persona and CV for each.
it's incredibly easy to spot bombers like you who send trillions of garbage mails, it goes into the trash instantly if by pure luck you manage to pass the bots which are trained to recognize this kind of shitmails.
you're asking for it, whoever told to spam the entire industry with generic crap is a moron, some HR do remember these things and they often laught about morons like you during lunch.
Then apply to fewer companies but increase your chance of success.
This is a mistake. You will get better results if you put this extra bit of effort in.
This. The emails look like they come from a "nigerian prince" or tech support scammer
>mass template email
into the trash it goes. 95% of readers never got to the third sentence
read any solid advice on finding a job/internship. the first step is researching where you want to work. narrow it down to 5-10 and custom tailor your resume/approach for each company
>starting with "My name is..."
I never applied for a job in my life and even I know that sounds like shit
Dear Sir, good morning
>mass email
>no cover letter
>hurr durr why are they treating my spam like spam
how old are you?
25, why?
all of these "advices" are le networking and networking which I don't have any, I might try nagging them in linkedin later.
you're ignoring what's been repeated a dozen times in the thread: the emails were ignored because they're obviously copied and pasted with zero effort. that's it
I know I'm trya find some free time in this hellhole to rewrite my email / resume for each company later
Then I'll ignore rejection mails that have obviously been copied and pasted with zero effort.
You are welcome to do so
thanks
>all of these "advices" are le networking
No they aren't. Are you moronic?
Don't you just ask i'm x i want job, give me job?
Maybe you should try probing profs which have good impression of you for job opportunities? If they can vouch for you it is easier than to cold call.
I applied to 20 places, got 10 interviews and 3 job offers. Literally all you have to do is customize the letters so they stand out more than other people's copy-paste spam messages.
instead of all that bs, just copy paste 'BLM' a bunch of times.
>instead of all that bs, just copy paste 'BLM' a bunch of times.
thanks for my soon-to-be new resume idea
the fact that the experience remains the same between the two resumes really detracts from its message
look at the responses to the questions. one is thoughtful, intelligent, and was immediately discarded by an HR woman who knows nothing about technology. the other set of answers is RIDDLED with MASSIVE red flags. everything else is identical. that's the point
experience is the most important factor for assessing competence. The premise here is that despite incompetence, the fake resume gets a job offer due to virtue signalling.
what it really shows is that competence + virtue signalling = job offer
most likely the recruiter skipped over the questions, they go through a lot of resumes and barely read them.
left side is an autistic spaz that has a grudge against tech companies
right side is a normal person that codes looking for a job, other than the pride and diversity subtitle, the right side is more eloquent.
if you think Diana should have made any other choice you're in for a surprise
>boring virgin with experience who's going to create a bad time
>kinda stupid but tolerable person with experience who also help diversity quota
It's not what you know it's who you know.
I landed my latest job through linked in, I just updated my CV to use the template in pic related sent it to a few recruiters got a few interviews and then an offer.
Not my CV by the way, this is just the example that came with the Satania template.
> Dear Hiring Manager
> My name is
Holy frick, it's like you want the companies to ignore your mails.
You do realise that using the same exact message on multiple places will trigger their MS Exchange spam filter, don't you?
Maybe, it's not my resume. I just copied the template.
I understand your pain, I've been through this too. Just so you get a reference, I had to send over a hundred mails before I got a positive response, it wasn't even my field but it was close enough so I had to take it.
I'm in the same situation. I've even tailored emails with as much enthusiasm as possible with no response lol. Such a huge waste of time and energy. Now I pretty much do what you do in the hope that some HR lady is desperate enough to respond to me.
Sounds like you need to work on your handshake game Champ. A good, firm handshake and you'll have that job, lickety-split!
Do people really just send e-mails to random company recruiters? That sounds like a fricking terrible way to find a job.
Any better suggestions?
Get referred by a friend
Change your name to Tyrone Jerome Clavarius III and put LGBTPQI+ on your resume. Also, tell them you're MtF troony, black lives matter, and you support women murdering innocent children. Guaranteed 100% success.
Only that you need to play the game and actually find places that are hiring or have an active recruitment process and go through that. Places with a "send us your cv" mailbox are not looking to hire new grads through that route it's for people with experience.
If you have a few years experience, LinkedIn is good, I found my last job through a recruiter on there, they basically did all the hard work for me and landed me an interview at a place which I then got a offer from.
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST SEND THE SAME TEMPLATE WITH ESSENTIAL INFO, WHAT ABOUT THE HECKIN FIT
i hate normies
> i hate normies
I hate normalgays.
nice trips also this screenshot is a depressing work of art
Hiring is a grind. A lot of it is luck.
Here's the result of my most recent job search, in Feb 2020. Redacted some of the info where i felt uncomfortable. This initial round of companies was a mix of places I wanted to work and some places I didn't give a shit about, who I was going to use as either a bargaining chip and/or interview practice to shake the nerves out.
Keybase - ghosted
Hashicorp - ghosted
Wikimedia - declined
Healthify - declined
Shogun - declined
[local place 1000ish employees] - declined after final stage bc position filled up
Doximity - phone screen offer received, but got hired before I could do it
[100ish person remote startup] - referred by friend, did the tech screen and takehome before I got hired and had to stop
Digital Ocean - declined
I got hired by a large-ish private bay area startup you've potentially heard of.
It was really demoralizing because right off the bat, several places I was interested in working at (Hashicorp, keybase, wikimedia, digital ocean) declined/ghosted me without even a phone screen. But in the end I accepted an offer for 200k base + 300k equity. So by that measure I like to think I'm a good programmer? So I like to think they missed out by not interviewing me.
>only 200k in bay area
That's basically living in poverty.
It's geo-adjusted because I live in nowhere USA. It's a remote job.
>phone screen
Huh?
Probably means where they screen you over phone. Like an interview but with less commitment.
A phone screen is when the recruiter calls you and asks you what a dict is, and tells you about the position and answers questions you have about it etc.
By "phone screen offer" I mean they offered to do a phone screen, but I had to say, sorry, I just accepted an offer so I have to drop out of the process. But they did respond to me, so i wasn't ghosted.
>none replied to me
368 applications and i get only 2 responses back
at that time i realise that i wont really get a job so i started researching in other areas i had some skills
4 days later i applied to comex france as a junior diver got a response within an hour to set up a meeting on the same day via the internet
a week later i was hired and now im a master diver working for almost 8 months per year with a good salary
moral of the story IT is highly saturated and it will become worse in the years to come
IT is saturated for the "IT" and junior dev roles. There's trillions of bootcamp grads and skids with a freshly minted CS degree. One of my friends works at a 10-50 person company who is hiring some junior positions and he's literally one guy, for a junior dev role at a small company many people haven't heard of, and he opened the applications 3 days ago and has literally gotten 40 resumes per day. And there's only 1-2 seats available for the role.
Once you get ~5 years of experience and can apply for most "senior IC" roles, you're set.
Seeing as there aren't enough jobs for entry level positions, what do people end up doing? Applying for months/years until something clicks? Or switching paths like
?
the majority of them focus on getting their useless paper and stick with it hoping someday something magical will happen
very few people actually go out of their bubble to try and learn new things or even work on a factory or similiar shit till they find a good job
awwww this anon expects it morons to have hobbies or even think to learn a second profession
>be me, 10 yoe
>have never applied to a job
>when angry with current job, I go to the latest linkedin messages I got and select the interesting ones
>start 3 processes
>finish within a week, 3 offers
>30% increase in salary
full of shit but ok dude
>diver
I wish I can do that too but I can't swim
just lie on the interview, what could go wrong?
>what could go wrong?
Delta P
If you want a surefire opener for an email that will 100% be read you need to pull out the "Hello and good morning, friends! Yes!" Pajeet enthusiasm. You know how many humdrum quiet weird CS students come and go? Millions. Now I worked with a Pajeet one time, named fricking Patel Patwala, might as well have been John Johnson, but he would walk up to everyone every single morning and shout shit like "Yes! Hello! Good mornings, friends!" It could be 8pm and he'd say good morning while walking to the elevator. He got promoted. Everyone who ever worked there remembered him. Thats how you get a job.
Post anonymised resume and cover letter so we can pick apart all your mistakes.
Last time I tried to talk to one of you guys he was complaining about the job market in his area, and when I asked he ended up living about 30min away from me.
And I was in his exact situation 6 months before, getting spammed by recruiters.
So I'm convinced all of you "I can't get a job/internship" gays are just unfathomably autistic
>getting spammed by recruiters
To be fair that doesn't mean shit.
Recruiters will basically offer to fellate you to pay attention to them and send your CV. Then once they have it and you try to follow up with them about progress of your application they are suddenly "out of the office".
I'm not sure how to distinguish between the kinds of recruiters, but I'm talking about the ones that work at the company and are offering actual jobs.
Not the, give me your resume and I'll try to find you a job, kind
You can have the same experience with either. Often internal recruiters will make it look like they have a job and would be enthusiastic about hiring you, but really they are just taking the pulse of the hiring market or they are just waiting until the ideal hire comes along. Or they're just trying to get a list of contacts they can continue to spam.
The internal recruiters will, in my experience, always get you an interview or some filter-test at least.
They get paid per hire, so they just try to get people in the door.
Maybe they'll have you go and fill out some shitty online filter test, then pretend they are going to line an interview up for you. Then pretend to forget who you are an tell you to go to their hiring page and apply there after you already jumped through their hoops.
Not saying you can't get a job this way, just the fact that these people look like they are seeking you out means nothing on it's own.
I got so much recruiter shit simply by having an email address in the bio of my HN shitposting account.
I can't say I have a lot of experience with recruiters, but why would they ever ghost you.
They make real actual money if you get hired, if anything, the problem should be that they wheel in too many underqualified applicants that then get rejected after an interview.
All I can say is; I have never been ghosted by a recruiter, they have always sent followup messages after I've declined their positions.
Or if I just ignore them they send reminders after a week.
Have you personally ever actually been ghosted by a recruiter?
Yeah, ghosting is the norm, or various other forms of time wasting and I don't think it's specific to me as I've heard the same from other people plenty of times. Most people I know who are employed in tech or similar got their job through other avenues.
Like I said, I think a lot of the time they aren't looking to hire and are just doing research/contact building or perhaps they have a way more specific set of criteria than the job descriptions lets on.
Maybe it's location dependent, or maybe I just got lucky, as I've only talked to a few recruiters.
I've only spoken with one find-you-a-job type recruiter, to get a salary offer to use in my pay raise negotiations,
and he did feel like kind of a time waster that I ended up ghosting.
But to be fair I was literally wasting his time, so I can't exactly blame him.
>I think a lot of the time they aren't looking to hire and are just doing research/contact building
But why wouldn't they just get you an interview and hope you get hired, they have nothing to lose, and they might make some money
Because they won't want to waste time getting interviews for people unless they think there is a good chance that person will actually end up getting hired. It's low effort for them to sit on their computer and spam people, maybe send a few emails back and forth or send you tests to do. They probably don't even do it themselves and just get an intern or assistant to do it. Once it moves beyond that they have to invest a lot more of their time and the time of other people.
Is this shit real?
>Dear Mr Sir Hiring manager I don't know your name because I'm too moronic to write an email that doesn't look like spam Sir hire me
>Dear generic sir, please do the needful and hire me, my qualifications are studying at a less than top 300 school
gee I wonder why
>Another jaded dumbass asking for advice but getting mad when given advice
>dear hiring manager
dropped
LMAO. Back in 2015 I used to mass mail girls on facebook like this. Never worked. At least had fun sometimes.
>bruteforcing npc managers
anon you are fricked
I wrote a 500 line Java application that takes random resume's off linkedin and spams them to open job board listings. My bot has sent over 100k fake applications. I do this just to frick with recruitment. The bot even responds to interview requests, so the interviewer is left with nobody showing up. This is what happens when you don't give me a job.
Honestly if you actually sent 100k applications you probably got some of the owners of those scraped resumes jobs or at least interviews. Imagine checking your email and some random company was following up because they liked your resume.
It first changes the names to things like Jack MeHoff and Herb eaversmells
So you are just a moron
Does everyone in this thread just have shitty resumes? I have never applied to more than 3 jobs at once and I have always gotten at least one response. Its not that the job market is saturated, its that you are not smart enough.
First year CS grads from unremarkable schools with absolutely nothing to standout from the crowd apparently think they deserve six figure salaried positions.
Yeah I also realize that most are probably applying to positions that they are under qualified for.
honestly I'm impressed something formatted like a blatant phishing attempt hasn't gotten a reply