It's unfair that historically significant languages like sumerian, akkadian, native anatolian languages, egyptian, estruscan, elamite disappear while irrelevant ass languages like telugu/tamil have millions of speakers
It's unfair that historically significant languages like sumerian, akkadian, native anatolian languages, egyptian, estruscan, elamite disappear while irrelevant ass languages like telugu/tamil have millions of speakers
Tamil is not the best pick here since it does have some good history and culture. Spanish is more valid to complain about since it really is just worthless.
telegu has epic literature as well, not sure what OP's issue with south india is
Telugu has no extant literature before the 900s. Even after that it was all copies and translations of sanskrit epics. Tamil has a lot of original epics, and sangam literature is very ancient.
Telugu literature only flourished under the vijayanagara empire who patronized it more than their mother tongue kannada. Currently Telugu literary scene is dead whereas Tamil literary scene is still vibrant.
Telugu is the most Sanskritized Dravidian language. It's sort of the Latin-Italian-English to Tamil's Greek or Assyrian.
>Telugu has no extant literature before the 900s.
And Spanish didn't even exist yet in the 900s. Much less Portuguese. These are the real overpopulated garbage languages
Tamil sangam lit provides an interesting contrast to ancient sanskrit lit
Nta but that comparison is not apt because while spanish is a language that came into existence after the late antiquity, telugu is older than it and is one of the earliest to split from the proto dravidian.
It's pre nannaya literature is destroyed or not preserved I think after brahmins gained prominence in the region. There's no way it had no literature before the 10th century when we have a telugu poetry treatise from the 9th century and poetry inscriptions from 7th century.
A lot of early tamil epics and sangam poems are not hindu but buddhist, jain, ajivika lit.
Literary/standard Tamil(dialect of brahmins) used to be heavily sanskritized too until the dravidian movement in the 20th century opposed sanskritization of tamil and the pre-eminence of sansritized brahmin dialects. Telugu wouldn't have been as heavily sansritized if they had also had their own variant of dravidian movement. Standard telugu was based on brahmin dialect of some coastal andhra region, and this was imposed on the entire telugu population via mass education, newspaper, literature and especially tollywood movies. While tamil scholars were coining terms for imported western ideas(political/scientific/philosopical) in pure Tamil, Telugu homies were either importing that shit from sanskrit or coining in Sanskrit.
I think the rediscovery of sangam literature really strengthened the pure tamil movement.
It worked for them, though. They went from a wretched population of peasants and traders that could have flipped Maoist at any time to the lapdogs of what should be a crackpot Ayurveda cow urine party from Bihar. Americans have been thinking of the Telugu as their average Indian since at least the late 90s, there are more Telugu in the U.S. than Pakistanis and Bangladeshis combined, and it's almost to the point where they're making the only Indian movies Americans care about. They might not have the most functional society, but if they went independent today they would be Japan tier in 50 years.
Buddhism is the Brahmin-killer in the same way the Gospels are the israelite-killer and Pauline epistles are the Hellenic pagan-killer.
But the christians won against the israelites and the hellenic pagans in a way the buddhists never did (long-term)
Ashoka still owns India's ass more than the backwards varna system could. The only palatable symbols they can think to bring come from Buddhism. He's basically the Constantine of the region.
At the end of the day buddhism has been extinct in india for, what, centuries now? not knocking either side, just wondering how the brahmins achieved something the chinese emperors couldn't
It's not extinct, it's just not as prominent a part of the fabric of the many thousands of Indian religions we call Hinduism as the ethnoreligious parts. Buddhists in other countries have their local gods and spirits, and the same is true for India. The modern conception of Hinduism as the gas station elephant god shrine is a reduction of a complex situation where local spirits are on the same level as the Buddha, who is also there alongside Ganesha.
>They might not have the most functional society, but if they went independent today they would be Japan tier in 50 years.
I'm damn sure tamil nadu and kerala top all social indicators compared to telugu homies, and tamil nadu has better economy. A lot of telugus are just escaping to the west.
>it's almost to the point where they're making the only Indian movies Americans care about.
Because they are the pioneers of over the top masala shit, and anyone can just turn their brain off and enjoy that shit. Ofc a foreigner would enjoy RRR more than vetrimaaran or mysskin of mari selvaraj or bala's movies. A lot of good films from malayalam and tamil industry are pretty local and rooted.
I know. I don't like Telugus that much, but that is the perception of them here in the U.S.. They have the right blend of old world corruption and an immigrant's chip on their shoulder to fit in the U.S. better as a whole than the rootless nature of every group that came before them other than maybe the Bengalis.
It was also a Telugu who killed literally the only positive representation of Indians in Western media.
Tamil?
SAAAAAR
>Spanish is more valid to complain about since it really is just worthless
??????
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_literature
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_de_Cervantes
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Renaissance_literature
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Baroque_literature
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hern%C3%A1n_Cort%C3%A9s
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Enlightenment_literature
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanticism_in_Spanish_literature
Also:
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantar_de_mio_Cid
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Spanish_literature
Egyptian still exists dumbass.
India is resistant to cultural change brought on by invaders. That's why they're all still polytheists
Coptic is little more than a liturgical language (language that's only spoken in church) of a hated minority
>India is resistant to cultural change brought on by invaders. That's why they're all still polytheists
How did they do it? They even managed to crush buddhism when even chang emperors couldn't
Most Buddhists elites were literally brahmins. They just switched to orthodox brahminism.
Languages are literally irrelevant. They’re systems of position naming and artifacts of cultural/genetic differences.
The only linguistic transformation in India happened with steppe Black folk. More than half the subcontinent abandoned their ooga booga languages for vedic sanskrit/prakrits with the onslaught of vedic Black folk.
Tamil irrelevant? homie the Cholas conquered Indonesians and Tamil Indians made it to Egypt in the 2nd century AD, you're a moronic loser who must cop copeing.
Tamils were more advanced and survived, tongue my anus
Allowing northern Indians access to the internet was a mistake.