m8 the laptop is still cooking inside
as opposed to a desktop case where you can take the side off and blow air onto copper and aluminum pipes actually making the electronics cooler
Is your laptop case made of styrofoam or something? The additional forced convection supplies colder air to the intake slots and cools the case directly.
my cousin used 6 fan one for his older gaming laptop. it would overheat very quickly if he didnt use it so it definitely managed to keep the temperature acceptable.
someone is buying them if they are still being put out
IDK how you could spend $1000+ on a desktop socket board and think you where sold a product in good faith
I wonder this too. As soon as the solid state capacitors became mainstream on mobos maybe 10-15 years ago its been a colossal waste of money buying a high end motherboard.
Overclocking is dead. The sound chips reached "good enough" years ago. SLI and Crossfire are dead and were never all that popular anyway. All that shit on the highend board goes obsolete at the same time as a $60 board.
I think it's just idiots that see big price tag and flashy light so they buy it. idk.
High end CPUs and Intel housefires need decently high end mobos (around $200ish) or they thermal throttle under all core workloads. I usually get the cheapest non Gigashyte board that has the VRM i need for my CPU.
morons that define their personality by the brand of RGB fans they buy. Or morons that think bigger equals better and once saw a VRM comparison table without understanding that you don't need 92492384923A 420+69 phase VRMs for a 1700X
>Even 200 dollars is way overkill unless you have a very niche need.
depends on the chipset, but intel HEDT chipsets generally START around $200-250 for the motherboards.
I wonder this too. As soon as the solid state capacitors became mainstream on mobos maybe 10-15 years ago its been a colossal waste of money buying a high end motherboard.
Overclocking is dead. The sound chips reached "good enough" years ago. SLI and Crossfire are dead and were never all that popular anyway. All that shit on the highend board goes obsolete at the same time as a $60 board.
I think it's just idiots that see big price tag and flashy light so they buy it. idk.
someone is buying them if they are still being put out
IDK how you could spend $1000+ on a desktop socket board and think you where sold a product in good faith
If you're enough of a homosexual to hear the difference between a sound card and the mobos own chip the just buy a USB DAC and be done with it. It'll still work in 10 years unlike your shitty driver dependant sound card.
USB DACs still depend on drivers afaik.
I prefer to have something inside the PC. I could use the USB for other things, but I have no other use for the PCIe x1 slot in my mobo
If you have headphones with which you can actually hear the difference you're not using a fricking sound card. They're a solution looking for a problem, filling a niche that doesn't exist.
What are you talking about? Decent headphones aren't USB.
You are apparently moronic so I will spell it out for you one more time:
Anyone with headphones with which you could actually notice the difference between the onboard DAC/AMP of any modern board vs a PCIe soundcard are not gonna be using either of them in the first place.
If you have headphones with which you can actually hear the difference you're not using a fricking sound card. They're a solution looking for a problem, filling a niche that doesn't exist.
>Even 200 dollars is way overkill unless you have a very niche need.
depends on the chipset, but intel HEDT chipsets generally START around $200-250 for the motherboards.
Of course you'd expect higher prices for HEDT but for mainstream desktop boards like LGA1200 or AM4, above $500 is when you really start to get into straight placebo territory
Motherboard usually don't have the connectors you would need for external devices like MIDI keyboards, so in those situations you would actually need one. It's niche as hell, but they still have a use.
Also if your sound chip on the mobo gets fricked up (it happens - don't ask me how, but my friend has a mobo like that) you don't really have a choice.
Motherboard usually don't have the connectors you would need for external devices like MIDI keyboards, so in those situations you would actually need one. It's niche as hell, but they still have a use.
Also if your sound chip on the mobo gets fricked up (it happens - don't ask me how, but my friend has a mobo like that) you don't really have a choice.
>same DAC >same OP AMP >better power delivery and filtering >but somehow the sound card is worse than the external USB solution even though the DAC and OP amp parts used are identical
Of course I'm going to buy the sound card used for 25€ instead of the external USB DAC for 200€ if I just want to run monitors off them.
An EUR200 dac should have an external power supply, especially if it's used for desktop purposes tbh.
Daily reminder that if you have any analog source other than your dac an integrated amp or preamp+(power amp/headamp) is recommended over powerd speakers tbh.
Daily reminder that an internal sound card must tolerate all noise emanating from the computer, and thus they will always be inferior to an usb sound card with the same components unless the card is in a Faraday cage to reject all high frequency EM and have a half decent noise filter on both data (PCIe lanes) and power tbh.
You also need need a decent amount of amplification power and capacitance (related to power in a round about way) for headphones at least.
I have a Sound Blaster AE-5, and although my 300 Ω headphones sound pretty good on it with it's dedicated headphones amp, it sound nothing like a dedicated headphone amp and dac that combined cost $500+
To add, at 300 Ω, the AE-5 is like 87 mW. With a decent headphone amp that costs over $250 or so, at 300 Ω, they put out over 150 mW. More impactful sound, etc. However, I don't have decent mid to low impedance headphones to really try it out.
>Arching your back to look down on a laptop is not healthy.
Why don't you just look down at it with your eyes instead of contorting your whole body towards it?
An EUR200 dac should have an external power supply, especially if it's used for desktop purposes tbh.
Daily reminder that if you have any analog source other than your dac an integrated amp or preamp+(power amp/headamp) is recommended over powerd speakers tbh.
Daily reminder that an internal sound card must tolerate all noise emanating from the computer, and thus they will always be inferior to an usb sound card with the same components unless the card is in a Faraday cage to reject all high frequency EM and have a half decent noise filter on both data (PCIe lanes) and power tbh.
>gaming sound card
really?
>gaming sound card
really?
These actually help slightly
m8 the laptop is still cooking inside
as opposed to a desktop case where you can take the side off and blow air onto copper and aluminum pipes actually making the electronics cooler
Is your laptop case made of styrofoam or something? The additional forced convection supplies colder air to the intake slots and cools the case directly.
What is this even, how are you able to type. The fans in these things are like half a watt.
my cousin used 6 fan one for his older gaming laptop. it would overheat very quickly if he didnt use it so it definitely managed to keep the temperature acceptable.
I had a very shitty old one and it saved me used it for a year.
Mainstream motherboards over $500
Honestly what kind of moron buys these motherboards? Even 200 dollars is way overkill unless you have a very niche need.
someone is buying them if they are still being put out
IDK how you could spend $1000+ on a desktop socket board and think you where sold a product in good faith
I wonder this too. As soon as the solid state capacitors became mainstream on mobos maybe 10-15 years ago its been a colossal waste of money buying a high end motherboard.
Overclocking is dead. The sound chips reached "good enough" years ago. SLI and Crossfire are dead and were never all that popular anyway. All that shit on the highend board goes obsolete at the same time as a $60 board.
I think it's just idiots that see big price tag and flashy light so they buy it. idk.
High end CPUs and Intel housefires need decently high end mobos (around $200ish) or they thermal throttle under all core workloads. I usually get the cheapest non Gigashyte board that has the VRM i need for my CPU.
Mainstream motherboards over $500
Ironic post?
Or is this one of the shit chinkpads?
soul
soul
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Honestly what kind of moron buys these motherboards? Even 200 dollars is way overkill unless you have a very niche need.
morons that define their personality by the brand of RGB fans they buy. Or morons that think bigger equals better and once saw a VRM comparison table without understanding that you don't need 92492384923A 420+69 phase VRMs for a 1700X
>Even 200 dollars is way overkill unless you have a very niche need.
depends on the chipset, but intel HEDT chipsets generally START around $200-250 for the motherboards.
X59, X79, X99, X299.
I wonder this too. As soon as the solid state capacitors became mainstream on mobos maybe 10-15 years ago its been a colossal waste of money buying a high end motherboard.
Overclocking is dead. The sound chips reached "good enough" years ago. SLI and Crossfire are dead and were never all that popular anyway. All that shit on the highend board goes obsolete at the same time as a $60 board.
I think it's just idiots that see big price tag and flashy light so they buy it. idk.
it was cheaper than a normal motherboard for me
someone is buying them if they are still being put out
IDK how you could spend $1000+ on a desktop socket board and think you where sold a product in good faith
Ironic post?
Or is this one of the shit chinkpads?
Linux.
Snake oil means it's being sold, dumbass. The kernel if free, so are many of it's distributions.
sound cards have better DAC and AMP than the shitty integrated realtek one.
If you're enough of a homosexual to hear the difference between a sound card and the mobos own chip the just buy a USB DAC and be done with it. It'll still work in 10 years unlike your shitty driver dependant sound card.
USB DACs still depend on drivers afaik.
I prefer to have something inside the PC. I could use the USB for other things, but I have no other use for the PCIe x1 slot in my mobo
What are you talking about? Decent headphones aren't USB.
You are apparently moronic so I will spell it out for you one more time:
Anyone with headphones with which you could actually notice the difference between the onboard DAC/AMP of any modern board vs a PCIe soundcard are not gonna be using either of them in the first place.
So what would you use instead?
They use generic USB driver. Same type of shit keyboards/mice run from. Aka it'll always just work.
If you have headphones with which you can actually hear the difference you're not using a fricking sound card. They're a solution looking for a problem, filling a niche that doesn't exist.
>Even 200 dollars is way overkill unless you have a very niche need.
depends on the chipset, but intel HEDT chipsets generally START around $200-250 for the motherboards.
X59, X79, X99, X299.
Of course you'd expect higher prices for HEDT but for mainstream desktop boards like LGA1200 or AM4, above $500 is when you really start to get into straight placebo territory
it was cheaper than a normal motherboard for me
>I'm deaf and/ or have shit headphones
ftfy
Motherboard usually don't have the connectors you would need for external devices like MIDI keyboards, so in those situations you would actually need one. It's niche as hell, but they still have a use.
Also if your sound chip on the mobo gets fricked up (it happens - don't ask me how, but my friend has a mobo like that) you don't really have a choice.
Motherboard usually don't have the connectors you would need for external devices like MIDI keyboards, so in those situations you would actually need one. It's niche as hell, but they still have a use.
Also if your sound chip on the mobo gets fricked up (it happens - don't ask me how, but my friend has a mobo like that) you don't really have a choice.
>snake oil
quality opamps aren't snakeoil and in some soundblasters you can actually exchange them
I don't get it.
>same DAC
>same OP AMP
>better power delivery and filtering
>but somehow the sound card is worse than the external USB solution even though the DAC and OP amp parts used are identical
Of course I'm going to buy the sound card used for 25€ instead of the external USB DAC for 200€ if I just want to run monitors off them.
An EUR200 dac should have an external power supply, especially if it's used for desktop purposes tbh.
Daily reminder that if you have any analog source other than your dac an integrated amp or preamp+(power amp/headamp) is recommended over powerd speakers tbh.
Daily reminder that an internal sound card must tolerate all noise emanating from the computer, and thus they will always be inferior to an usb sound card with the same components unless the card is in a Faraday cage to reject all high frequency EM and have a half decent noise filter on both data (PCIe lanes) and power tbh.
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You also need need a decent amount of amplification power and capacitance (related to power in a round about way) for headphones at least.
I have a Sound Blaster AE-5, and although my 300 Ω headphones sound pretty good on it with it's dedicated headphones amp, it sound nothing like a dedicated headphone amp and dac that combined cost $500+
To add, at 300 Ω, the AE-5 is like 87 mW. With a decent headphone amp that costs over $250 or so, at 300 Ω, they put out over 150 mW. More impactful sound, etc. However, I don't have decent mid to low impedance headphones to really try it out.
Checked and based
>Arching your back to look down on a laptop is not healthy.
Why don't you just look down at it with your eyes instead of contorting your whole body towards it?
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An EUR200 dac should have an external power supply, especially if it's used for desktop purposes tbh.
Daily reminder that if you have any analog source other than your dac an integrated amp or preamp+(power amp/headamp) is recommended over powerd speakers tbh.
Daily reminder that an internal sound card must tolerate all noise emanating from the computer, and thus they will always be inferior to an usb sound card with the same components unless the card is in a Faraday cage to reject all high frequency EM and have a half decent noise filter on both data (PCIe lanes) and power tbh.
desu