Books that promote that being was weak as humanly possible is ideal.
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Books that promote that being was weak as humanly possible is ideal.
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>random ruleset practiced by guy 1,500 years ago is weak
If endurance for a millenia plus is weak, what is strength?
Yeah that's kinda why it would be interesting to see if there are works that expand on this ideology.
Things like obedience and poverty are ontologically states of weakness but yeah as you say there must be some strength in it.
I am just curious how unique this is when people are like "Oh the fall of the west is because of how weak everyone is now".
Perhaps they aren't 'weak' enough.
>ontologically
Why are people continually misusing this word now?
It's in vogue and sounds cooler than saying categorically
>Things like obedience and poverty are ontologically states of weakness
It's a product of modernity's hatred of humility. Imagine getting your average normie to read Sayings of the Desert Fathers
It's God basically but if you're really interested visit a monastery, live their life for a week or a couple days (room and board is a donation typically) and ask them.
Oh I didn't know you could do that, I'll have to do that then. I've been doing that with various religious groups already so I suppose it was inevitable but still.
>I am just curious how unique this is when people are like "Oh the fall of the west is because of how weak everyone is now".
>Perhaps they aren't 'weak' enough.
Yes, this is really confusing me too -- powerlifting and bodybuilding communities seem to view themselves as a kind of conservative counter-culture when actually they are surely products of modernity and modern scientific ambition, even a literal physical embodiment of the modern, liberal, scientific delusion of "progress". I too used to take it as one of the few self-evident certainties of life that one should always be getting physically stronger, that life was essentially about Darwinian survival of the fittest across several domains and that aiming towards physical strength was a virtue. I followed for example a Catholic youtuber who was also a powerlifter. But I also felt that often people who advocated "muscular Christianity" had a limited outlook on life, and didn't seem to recognise its inherent paradoxes: that acquiring strength is a form of selfishness and vanity, achieved through a means of gluttony and wasteful ambition. They seemed to ignore the Christian virtues of humility, kindness and tolerance near-completely in favour of pride, anger and intolerance. I think now that those are kinds of sins for them, not necessarily showing that they are entirely wrong in their thinking by getting stronger, only that they probably have some forms of spiritual and physical pride which they have yet to recognise. So I now think that it's probably best to be moderate in one's search for strength, which requires, in my view, an even greater form of humility. It is not so proud as the bodybuilders and powerlifters who believe they must be stronger than everyone else and tie this strength to their identity, nor so proud as the ascetics who despise the world and thus set themselves above it, viewing all attempts at power as inherently sinful and only themselves as good. To be moderate and even ordinary, to take the middle way, neither to believe oneself so great as to conquer or to despise the world, to accept oneself as merely human, is surely the greatest virtue, in that it appears to others not even as a virtue at all.
I completely disagree with this, read above as to why.
It was a specific set of rules for the original Benedictine monks, not some ebin ideology you can LARP as or argue with. Not just anyone was allowed to be a Benedictine monk (initially)
You're so far removed from Medieval thinking that you assume this is just another token ideology that you can mesh with all the other failed 19th century philosophies
You were refuted by Spengler in the final chapters of Decline of the West Volume 1.
Turn the other cheek, senpai, I'm gonna hit that side too.
men shine at the two extremes, total hermit/monastic life of total detachment or bloodthirsty warlord/beast of prey, two sides of the same coin
rest is gay
elaborate
they are both ways of "conquering" the world and making yourself immune to it, one is akin to a body remaining still in the middle of flowing waters, unaffected by it, the other actively moves water to make way for itself, two alternative ways of maximizing being
What about artists and poets?
>at least 99% of men would be utterly incapable of following this rule
>it’s because theyre not weak enough bro
This
>Abba Arsenios used to say that one hour's sleep is enough for a monk if he is a good fighter